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    #17321
    Nag download na ba kayo nun tracefast app? Para maactivate na yun exposure notification sa mga phones? It's uses the Google-apple tracing something on out phones.

    Sana marami mag download para meron notification pag meron malapit na mag posiitve.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Nag download na ba kayo nun tracefast app? Para maactivate na yun exposure notification sa mga phones? It's uses the Google-apple tracing something on out phones.

    Sana marami mag download para meron notification pag meron malapit na mag posiitve.


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    errr...
    what does it do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    errr...
    what does it do?
    it's supposed to send you a notification telling you that you have to get tested coz you were at the same place at the same time with someone who tested positive

    but i dunno how it will work in 3rd world PH

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    #17324
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    errr...
    what does it do?
    I think eto yung ginawa ng Google at APPLE. It uses Bluetooth, all the devices on a particular place will communicate with each other via Bluetooth, then it will log it. Pag may isa sa mga may ari ng device na yun nag positive, the positive person can tell Google/apple app that he became positive. Ngayon it will look at the logs kung sino nakasalamuha ng tao na yun and inform them.

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    Actor Robert pattinson tested positive for the covid19. Suspends production of the latest movie iteration of the batman.

    One thing is for sure, siguro if more celebs will be infected w/ the virus, people will take the disease more seriously. As it is, madami pa ding hindi naniniwala sa deadliness ng covid19.

    do what you gotta do so you can do what you wanna do

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    #17327
    the policy is nothing new.

    if the results of the study show that the medicine is so good even early on,
    that it would be un-ethical to withhold it to the placebo group and prevent them from enjoying its benefits...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    the policy is nothing new.

    if the results of the study show that the medicine is so good even early on,
    that it would be un-ethical to withhold it to the placebo group and prevent them from enjoying its benefits...
    Doc, how do they validate if the vaccine is effective, do they expose the subjects to the virus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by papi smith View Post
    Doc, how do they validate if the vaccine is effective, do they expose the subjects to the virus?
    i do not know.
    medyo controversial kasi ang intentional exposure, what with the virus's potential fatality.
    measuring the amount of antibodies is one possibility.

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    #17330
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    the policy is nothing new.

    if the results of the study show that the medicine is so good even early on,
    that it would be un-ethical to withhold it to the placebo group and prevent them from enjoying its benefits...
    that's for drugs

    like when you're testing a cancer drug and it proves to be so effective that it would be unethical not to give the drug to those in the placebo control arm

    iba ang vaccine... you're testing it in healthy people

    baligtad eh -- sa gamot you're giving it to sick people to see if they get well

    sa vaccine you wanna find out if it is safe... if it can make healthy people sick and even kill them

    the bar is higher for vaccines that's why it normally takes years
    Last edited by uls; September 4th, 2020 at 08:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    that's for drugs

    like when you're testing a cancer drug and it proves to be so effective that it would be unethical not to give the drug to those in the placebo control arm

    iba ang vaccine... you're testing it in healthy people

    baligtad eh -- sa gamot you're giving it to sick people to see if they get well

    sa vaccine you wanna find out if it is safe... if it can make healthy people sick and even kill them

    the bar is higher for vaccines that's why it normally takes years
    whether drugs or vaccines,
    we want to find out if it works as advertised, and if it is safe.
    one way to find out, is to use it on real people, under a controlled environment.
    the basic principles are the same.

    and the scientists do not have the benefit of time, either.
    Last edited by dr. d; September 4th, 2020 at 08:56 AM.

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    #17332
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Nag download na ba kayo nun tracefast app? Para maactivate na yun exposure notification sa mga phones? It's uses the Google-apple tracing something on out phones.

    Sana marami mag download para meron notification pag meron malapit na mag posiitve.


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    Parang hindi effective magiging alarmist kung false positive ang symptoms? eto yata yan last week pa nangungulit for update.


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    #17333
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    the scientists do not have the benefit of time, either.
    pinagtatawanan nila (West) ung Russian vaccine ganyan din pala gagawin nila

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    #17334
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    pinagtatawanan nila (West) ung Russian vaccine ganyan din pala gagawin nila
    i am not implying the product is good or bad, but

    time and again in history,
    "the new product was pooh-poohed by one side, because it did not come from them."

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    #17335
    sobra obvious Trump wants a vaccine approved in October...

    grabe ang political pressure on their agencies -- CDC, FDA

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    #17336
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    sobra obvious Trump wants a vaccine approved in October...

    grabe ang political pressure on their agencies -- CDC, FDA
    i can imagiine it now,
    "sir, the faster you get out of my ear, the better i can do the job you are asking me to do."
    heh heh.

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    Let the GOP have first shot of the vaccine...

    When the US Government Fast-Tracked a Flu Vaccine in an Election Year - HISTORY




    Although photographs of Ford receiving a vaccination were distributed in hopes of rallying support, public confidence was further shaken when dozens of vaccine recipients were diagnosed with Guillain-Barré syndrome, a rare neurological disorder causing muscle weakness, tingling in the extremities and paralysis.

    Meanwhile, not only had a pandemic yet to appear, but no swine flu cases outside of the Fort Dix cluster had even been reported. Even if there was no connection between the vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome, the risk was no longer acceptable. After the vaccination of 45 million Americans—nearly a quarter of the country’s population—the government halted the program on December 16.

    Ford lost his re-election bid in the midst of the immunization program that, with the benefit of hindsight, turned out to be unnecessary when a repeat of 1918—or even 1957 or 1968—never materialized. “When lives are at stake, it is better to err on the side of overreaction than underreaction,” wrote Millar and Sencer, who lost his job months later. “In 1976, the federal government wisely opted to put protection of the public first.”

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    #17338
    Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by 111prez View Post
    Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it
    si carlos ba, or si george ?
    heh heh.
    Last edited by dr. d; September 4th, 2020 at 01:27 PM.

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