Remote bypass oil filtration

[12vdc]

Took some more samples of UNF 3/4-16.

Baldwin has a differnet bypass valve design. Bosch is korean and looks ordinary. Fram PH has synthetic-glass blend as it claims but after checkin this vid, the element seems to be ordinary cellulose.

http://youtu.be/n_mQcIyteQk . so im stickin to Fleetguard.

Whats the strataphore version of LF3487 ??

[12vdc]

German version
http://youtu.be/xEKSnbz5dus
Now im thinking again, should the BPV value be observed as near as possible to the oem setting? My assumption is, upsizing the filter would mean an increased pressure required to open BPV so its ok to get a lower BPV-seting for the bigger filter. :puyat:

[dvldoc]

German version
http://youtu.be/xEKSnbz5dus
Now im thinking again, should the BPV value be observed as near as possible to the oem setting? My assumption is, upsizing the filter would mean an increased pressure required to open BPV so its ok to get a lower BPV-seting for the bigger filter. :puyat:

Microglass version is more free flowing than cellulose, I have noticed not real change in oil pressure on start-ups or driving using a larger filter with microglass version in my old F250 truck I went with a filter 2 times bigger.

The Stratopore version will probably not work for you as it is almost 7" tall.

LF3947
Overall Height: 6.95 (177)
Largest OD: 3.68 (93)
ADBV: Yes
BPV Setting: 10.00 (69)
Thread Size: 3/4-16 UNF-2B

This is the one I am using for my bypass filter, It's also not a full flow filter so you can't use it by itself.

I'm also doing a remote transmission filter set up using my LF3487 filters, (they are also rated for hydraulic fluid and over 300psi burst pressure so it more than handles my tranny filtering needs.

[dvldoc]

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Obliviously you need to go a lot further than that my friend, You got a problem with OFW's, My wife is one, You got a problem with mix race people my kids will be that, you got a problem with military, You got a problem with military we all go to war these days (I'm medical I save lives) , and you have a problem with facts put in front of you on this subject matter with your totally inaccurate counter points and non-sense comments and you have a problem with people who hold any type of certification or degree, it seems you can't believe they can do that and put them down.i dont have problem with OFW as i am also one.I live in europe with my family where thers plenty of different folks from different region in the world.Never had a fight with anybody.Thers plenty of people who are telling degrees in the philippines even without one.They even go abroad with fake certificates.Its a very common practice on 3rd world countries.Of course your wife will not tell that even if she knows.But thats ok as acquiring good education in the Philippines is almost impossible to most of the people.Almost i said because some manage to have a degree despite being poor.I am one thats why i made it here..

Come to terms with all of that and I might be good with it not to mention the rest of the board members that had to put up with this stuff..Actualy,this might be my last visit as my eyes are getting affected by constant exposure to computer and i feel being addicted to it.

Anyways back to what I do best, and that's answer tech questions. Because clearly I know my stuff. Feel free to disagree with anything I state but back it up with facts, like tech docs, studies, pictures ect.
Sorry,but i cant give more details on any evidence as i dont want to be exposed.Goodbye to all fellow tsikoteers,have fun.

Sorry,but i cant give more details on any evidence as i dont want to be exposed.Goodbye to all fellow tsikoteers,have fun.

For the love of god no more of these post, they make no sense to anyone you need . Hopefully the mods will ban you for your previous remarks. This junk is just contaminating the rest of the thread.

[dvldoc]

Took some more samples of UNF 3/4-16.

Baldwin has a differnet bypass valve design. Bosch is korean and looks ordinary. Fram PH has synthetic-glass blend as it claims but after checkin this vid, the element seems to be ordinary cellulose.

http://youtu.be/n_mQcIyteQk . so im stickin to Fleetguard.

Whats the strataphore version of LF3487 ??

I did not know they carried the orange can of death there to lol. FRAM is utter garbage only there very high end filter has synthetic media.

The orange can ones right down to there mid level ones all suck. The extended guard is the only synthetic media filter they have. Frams filter media is well know to collapse rendering it usless as a filter since the oil goes unfiltered. It also like to come apart at the seams.






Friends don't let friends use Fram, Here is a example of a collapse one, Many pending lawsuits for this little issue.

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YUP!! FRAM is a bit common in the Manila area. Good enough I saw the bad results of the FRAM so I went with baldwin and now I shall try fleetguard. Thanks for the reminder and 2nd motion of my findings

I shall stick with shell lubes too I think the semi synthetic is Helix x7 (or something like that)

[dvldoc]

YUP!! FRAM is a bit common in the Manila area. Good enough I saw the bad results of the FRAM so I went with baldwin and now I shall try fleetguard. Thanks for the reminder and 2nd motion of my findings

I shall stick with shell lubes too I think the semi synthetic is Helix x7 (or something like that)

Baldwin and fleetguard are pretty close to the same as far as quality goes.

And yeah nothing wrong with Shell.

http://www.shell.com.ph/home/content...range_classic/

I wonder how close this is formulated to Shells Rotella T5 and T6 oils? Or is it just the same oil different names. I can't see them doing two totally separate brands of oils.

[locoroco777]

The filter will say microglass right on the filter itself. It will also be physically heaver than the regular cellulose version if the same size filter. only small fleetguards come in boxes the rest just fully wrapped in plastic. When I say small I mean like Fortunner filter size.

The stock filter is a combo unit the upgrade one is not. I rather keep the stock since it has the bypass element in it. Also the upgrade one is almost 7" long.

LF3830
Overall Height: 5.59 (142)
Largest OD: 3.68 (94)
ADBV: Yes
BPV Setting: 36.26 (250)
Thread Size: 1-12 UNF-2B

LF3564 (STANDARD REPLACMENT)
Overall Height: 5.63 (143)
Largest OD: 4.41 (112)
BPV Setting: 14.50 (100)
Thread Size: M26 X 1.5-6H INT

LF3918
Overall Height: 6.92 (176)
Largest OD: 3.66 (93)
Thread Size: M26 X 1.5

Stock 4m40 filter is different than every other one since it's a dual filter so 10000klm is easy for it even stock.

Stock everything else especially really cheap OEM like Nissan, Honda, Toyota, are good for only 5000k I would not push them much further. Stock Fleetguards are good for 10000k filter and oil changes since they hold 3 to 4 times more dirt without getting clogged.

Copy that...thanks!

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Baldwin and fleetguard are pretty close to the same as far as quality goes.

And yeah nothing wrong with Shell.

http://www.shell.com.ph/home/content...range_classic/

I wonder how close this is formulated to Shells Rotella T5 and T6 oils? Or is it just the same oil different names. I can't see them doing two totally separate brands of oils.

Yup!! I think Helix was used for (high quality) brand recall. Rotella was launched as a low end oil (used for service vehicles) here years years ago

to add - one thing wrong with shell (oh and other brands too) is the price :D

so I might use the semi synthetic and fleetguard filter and go 10,000 kms instead of my usual 5k change

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Come to terms with all of that and I might be good with it not to mention the rest of the board members that had to put up with this stuff..Actualy,this might be my last visit as my eyes are getting affected by constant exposure to computer and i feel being addicted to it.

Anyways back to what I do best, and that's answer tech questions. Because clearly I know my stuff. Feel free to disagree with anything I state but back it up with facts, like tech docs, studies, pictures ect.
Sorry,but i cant give more details on any evidence as i dont want to be exposed.Goodbye to all fellow tsikoteers,have fun.



For the love of god no more of these post, they make no sense to anyone you need . Hopefully the mods will ban you for your previous remarks. This junk is just contaminating the rest of the thread.

Dont mention God as you are a person that accept war as common practice.I dont care about being ban with this,im just giving my comments based on experienced not on paper.Anyway,your water/alcohol injection can be turned to leathal injection if fitted on wrong engines with incompatible materials.You need to consider that,not just selling them to others without enough infos.You need to make more research as your knowledge is not enough.You are not a chemist,neither a scientist.

[dagol]

Wala akong pakialam kung puti, itim, or kahit na berde pa sya. Basag ka nang basag nung mga sinasabi nya, pero ala ka namang maipakitang technical proof na tama mga hirit mo. Kaya sabi kong basura mga reply mo.At least my comparison ka na.Yung Honda TMX 155 na ginagamit na pamasada,meron bang magandang oil filter yun?Wala, pero tumatagal naman bago masira.Napakaliit pa ng displacement compara sa bigat ng kaha ng traysikel.Eto pa,yung hand tractor na ginagamit ng mga magsasaka kagaya ng mitsubishi,kubota etc.. ay wala ding magandang oil filter kahit diesel engine pa mga yun.Bibilang ka ng maraming taon bago masira ang mga yun.Sa mga Kiskisan ng bigas,4dr5 karaniwan ang ginagamit at Nippon oil filter element lang ginagamit nila pero di hamak na mas tumatagal sila kaysa sa 4bc2 na nasa truck o jeep.May mas magandang oil filter ang 4bc2 pero bakit mas maiksi ang buhay nito kahit mas maiksing oras pa ang tinatakbo kaysa sa kiskisan na halos walang pahinga sa buong maghapon.Ang dahilan,mababa lang ang working RPM na na ginagamit sa mga kiskisan ng bigas.Halatang sa sasakyan ka lang may alam.

Keyboard warrior ka pre. Pustahan tayo, pag kaharap mo yang hinihiritan mo, maamo ka pa sa tupa.

Ganyan ka siguro kaya yan ang lumalabas sa bibig mo.Di ako nakalabas ng bansa kung wala akong guts,tandaan mo yan.

[Quint]

Nice thread going here dvldoc. Thanks for sharing...

Anyway, just wanted to get more inputs from you, as you would know that the driving conditions here are typically warmer, and considered "heavy duty" especially if one drives in Manila's bumper-to-bumper traffic. So assuming that if most of the time, the vehicle is on idle or low speed, would you still advise having the by-pass or just changing to a bigger and better filter? I'm concerned about oil pressure. Would I need to install gauge then? How low is "acceptable low" when it comes to pressure?

I have a thousand questions in my mind, and am a firm believer in replenishing fluids faithfully so your thread is very helpful, indeed. Keep it up...

Please, don't mind the vermin roaming around...let's just "filter it out."

[dagol]

Nice thread going here dvldoc. Thanks for sharing...

Anyway, just wanted to get more inputs from you, as you would know that the driving conditions here are typically warmer, and considered "heavy duty" especially if one drives in Manila's bumper-to-bumper traffic. So assuming that if most of the time, the vehicle is on idle or low speed, would you still advise having the by-pass or just changing to a bigger and better filter? I'm concerned about oil pressure. Would I need to install gauge then? How low is "acceptable low" when it comes to pressure?

I have a thousand questions in my mind, and am a firm believer in replenishing fluids faithfully so your thread is very helpful, indeed. Keep it up...

Please, don't mind the vermin roaming around...let's just "filter it out."

Genetic talaga ang lahi nyong `makapili´.Magtanong ka na lang,hwag ng masyadong pumapel pa.Sasagotin ka naman tiyak nyan at masyadong nahuhumaling sa Forums.

[dvldoc]

Dont mention God as you are a person that accept war as common practice.I dont care about being ban with this,im just giving my comments based on experienced not on paper.Anyway,your water/alcohol injection can be turned to leathal injection if fitted on wrong engines with incompatible materials.You need to consider that,not just selling them to others without enough infos.You need to make more research as your knowledge is not enough.You are not a chemist,neither a scientist.

I can't really say how stupid your comments are, you know jack about water injection or how it's use, or the vehicle applications, We know all the vehicle applications the nozzles sizes, the mix, what works what doesn't I don't need to be a chemist to know that, we also a vendor on around 50 car forum including our own to answer question just like that.

Your almost so low on the intellect lever your really not worth arguing with. I been doing that gig for over 7 years. It's been around since the 1930's brain child These kits are on every make and model of car on the planet.

Please email the rest of the companies that make the kits how they need to do more research after the 10's and 1000's of vehicles we have already installed these on. Do you know what a dyno is, OBD-2 scan equipment, you ever build a motor or squeeze 1000hp out of a 4cly engine. Is anyone at your local dealer a chemist or scientist. How about Speedlab or Autoplus, or Bermmia diesel? Yet they know everything about cars, hmm that weird huh.

You simply come off as a CRAB and you seem to be jealous of everyone else and this is your only outlet to express yourself. Once again I will message the mods and I suggest the rest of the members do the same so we can get these childish and uneducated comments off the board for good.

You have no experience, you can't provide one bit of tech data on anything you say. It's because you have no clue what you are talking about. I bet you didn't even know for ever gallon of fuel burnt your car produces a gallon of water during the internal combustion process. Do you know anything about thermal dynamics? no you don't. I have a degree by the way, Navy pays 75% of your college while your in and you can get pale grants to pay the rest you'd be a fool not to use it. How many college level courses do you have.

You don't have to have a degree to understand how things work but you need to have some intelligence and there are plenty of tsikot members who are highly knowledgeable that I would seek advice with any day that might not be a scientist or chemist (it's called training). You just can't except your wrong, you don't know anything about the subject matters your speaking .

I guess all AFP members love war, and security guards that carry guns, or PNP, that's your logic not mine. Hmm lets see lets hang around people that want to kill us because of there stupid religious beliefs with no protection, that's a good ideal. World politics are beyond your grasp so stop reaching. I like to see how we like war.

I think we should do a poll to guess how old you are I am guessing around 16. Because these are not the comments of a adult with any kind of education. And as a health care professional as well I suggest you seek some professional help.

PUT UP SOME FACT or get out the tread EXPERIENCE what experience could you possibly have that outdoes anyone on here. Anyone else sick of this guy.

Oh I forgot you don't want to expose yourself whatever that means, You have already exposed more than enough.

Back to the subject at hand.

[dvldoc]

Nice thread going here dvldoc. Thanks for sharing...

Anyway, just wanted to get more inputs from you, as you would know that the driving conditions here are typically warmer, and considered "heavy duty" especially if one drives in Manila's bumper-to-bumper traffic. So assuming that if most of the time, the vehicle is on idle or low speed, would you still advise having the by-pass or just changing to a bigger and better filter? I'm concerned about oil pressure. Would I need to install gauge then? How low is "acceptable low" when it comes to pressure?

I have a thousand questions in my mind, and am a firm believer in replenishing fluids faithfully so your thread is very helpful, indeed. Keep it up...

Please, don't mind the vermin roaming around...let's just "filter it out."

Stop and go traffic is basically the hardest on your engine, Bypass is not for everyone, a good quality filter and good oil with the proper additives like Shells oils or Mobil1 are good enough for a long healthy engine life. The basic combo is good oil and good filtration. Do the oil catch can if possible, I didnt' say this but block the EGR With sythetic and a quality filter it's easy to do 10000 to 15000klm between oil changes.

The bypass filter set up does not effect your oil pressure you still have a full flow filters then the bypass filter only filters around 10% of the oil per pass. So after about 10 minutes it will have filtered all the oil in your engine. I keep a oil gauge just for a safety measure like a hose comes loose or something. Just did a kit on my co-workers F350 6L turbo diesel, oil pressure is like 2psi lower probably because the filters flow better.



(I highly suggest people report irresponsible posters on the forum)

[indiej]

OT: do that And ignore all the troll's posts whatever the content. Do not reply to its posts (feeding). pls read about trolling, flame baiting.

i'll bite, why do you often call it sYThetic? my question before is about the bypass filter. are you adding that to your product lineup in Devil's Own?

i'm looking around at pvc pipe traps for an oil catch can but IDK if that can handle the temps.

[dvldoc]

OT: do that And ignore all the troll's posts whatever the content. Do not reply to its posts (feeding). pls read about trolling, flame baiting.

i'll bite, why do you often call it sYThetic? my question before is about the bypass filter. are you adding that to your product lineup in Devil's Own?

i'm looking around at pvc pipe traps for an oil catch can but IDK if that can handle the temps.

Yeah I am done with that guy. He's just embarassing himself.

Now are you asking why i call oil or the oil filters synthetic? (I did type -o it a few times, fat fingers I guess lol) The filters you use for a bypass set up have to be a synthetic fiber or super high efficiency cellulose synthetic mix of filter media. This is the only way to effectively remove the particles that are less than 20 microns in size.

PVC should have no issue holding up to engine heat as long as it’s not the thin cheap stuff. In my Grand Prix GTP I use a DIY PCV fenderwell intake system, never had a problem and it runs over the exhaust manifold.

If you mount your catch can along the side of the car like on the fenderwell you should have no issues. Even the ones with the clear plastic bowls on air compressor oil separator hold up fine under the hood.

And no we will never get into filters to many people speciallize in it already. I'm sure I will bring a few set-ups with me next year for anyone who wants to run one.

Try foam, steel wool or a steel scrub pad for your catch can's media they work the best at trapping the oil particles from the incoming air.

[dvldoc]

A good add on to this thread if people can post the aftermarket filters they see on the shelf there so we can tell you which are the good and the not so good.

So far we know this.

Fleetguard - Fleet service heavy duty filter

Baldwin- Fleet service heavy duty filter

Bosch- good over the counter filter

Mann- decent filter not the best specs for efficiency but well built

Fram- Orange can of death, one of the worst on the market.

OEM-Toyota black can not made by Mann, Low quality filter

OEM-Honda low quality filter paper end caps, cheaply made

OEM-Madaz decent filter good for 5000k oil changes

OEM-Nissan white can, total garbage, foam filter media thin cardboard

Nissan- made by Mann, decent over the counter filter 5000k use.

Mobil1-good over the counter filter

K&N - good over the counter filter

WIX- above average oil filter heavy duty construction.

OEM-Ford (Motorcraft filter) Good over the counter filter

ACDelco-None Ultraguard and Duraguard are of very low quality

OEM-Hyundai-good OEM filter

VIC- Very cheaply made, restrictive bypass valve, poor filter media

Union-Decent over the counter filter, basic paper media 5000k Change out

JHF- Decent Koren made over the counter filter 5000k use

Fil- lable says (for) Toyota, red and white box, Yellow lettering on filer, undersized filter media, bad bypass valve cause filter to recirculate unfilterd oil.

Fil-Fram Koren version. same issues. Steel on steel relief valve fails to seal, leaves dirty oil circulating.

Toyota (Denso) Japan, has on average fewer pleats for fitering vs other filters. Example MANN has 60 pleats vs Densos 29, vs Frams 59 in the same size filter. Very short life filter.

Fellow Tskoit member await your input

[dagol]

I can't really say how stupid your comments are, you know jack about water injection or how it's use, or the vehicle applications, We know all the vehicle applications the nozzles sizes, the mix, what works what doesn't I don't need to be a chemist to know that, we also a vendor on around 50 car forum including our own to answer question just like that.

Your almost so low on the intellect lever your really not worth arguing with. I been doing that gig for over 7 years. It's been around since the 1930's brain child These kits are on every make and model of car on the planet.

Please email the rest of the companies that make the kits how they need to do more research after the 10's and 1000's of vehicles we have already installed these on. Do you know what a dyno is, OBD-2 scan equipment, you ever build a motor or squeeze 1000hp out of a 4cly engine. Is anyone at your local dealer a chemist or scientist. How about Speedlab or Autoplus, or Bermmia diesel? Yet they know everything about cars, hmm that weird huh.

You simply come off as a CRAB and you seem to be jealous of everyone else and this is your only outlet to express yourself. Once again I will message the mods and I suggest the rest of the members do the same so we can get these childish and uneducated comments off the board for good.

You have no experience, you can't provide one bit of tech data on anything you say. It's because you have no clue what you are talking about. I bet you didn't even know for ever gallon of fuel burnt your car produces a gallon of water during the internal combustion process. Do you know anything about thermal dynamics? no you don't. I have a degree by the way, Navy pays 75% of your college while your in and you can get pale grants to pay the rest you'd be a fool not to use it. How many college level courses do you have.

You don't have to have a degree to understand how things work but you need to have some intelligence and there are plenty of tsikot members who are highly knowledgeable that I would seek advice with any day that might not be a scientist or chemist (it's called training). You just can't except your wrong, you don't know anything about the subject matters your speaking .

I guess all AFP members love war, and security guards that carry guns, or PNP, that's your logic not mine. Hmm lets see lets hang around people that want to kill us because of there stupid religious beliefs with no protection, that's a good ideal. World politics are beyond your grasp so stop reaching. I like to see how we like war.

I think we should do a poll to guess how old you are I am guessing around 16. Because these are not the comments of a adult with any kind of education. And as a health care professional as well I suggest you seek some professional help.

PUT UP SOME FACT or get out the tread EXPERIENCE what experience could you possibly have that outdoes anyone on here. Anyone else sick of this guy.

Oh I forgot you don't want to expose yourself whatever that means, You have already exposed more than enough.

Back to the subject at hand.

Im not jealous to somebodys achievement.Ive got mine.You are a navy.I am an engineer.Both of us i think is happy of the path were going.Life is like that.We need to be satisfied with what we have.You think i dont know about obd scan tool & performance parts with complete set that cost more than a new normal car.Common,those are simple technologies.I dont want to race and got caught on accident.Not my type,very childish.

[dvldoc]

As requested, Here is the what the Mitshubishi 4D56 and 4M40 filter look like inside. They use a Full flow and a bypass element, The reasoning is they run fairly dirty and are hard on the oil, so they need the extra filtration to keep the oil intervals. Without the bypass set up in them you'd go through oil filters like crazy. If you run a non bypass filter on them your going to have serious issues.

Donaldson version (also a high end filter like Baldwin and Fleetguard) they make Amsoils filters.

You can clearly see just how different these are from your average filter. To bad they are about the only ones with this unique factory set up.



Here is Luberfiners version (another good filter) They use a role vs stacked disk.





Now here's a example of a good filter vs a knock off Nissan filter after about 10000k. Which do you prefer?


This is what happens when you never change your oil or filter on a diesel, But hey diesels are tough thank god, or half the Jeepneys would be long dead.