Remote bypass oil filtration

[Retz]

^ Mali ata pagkakaintindi mo? CH-4 is very good oil but CI-4 is great.

my bad, mali nga pagkaintindi ko. i stand corrected.

[miko101130]

Guys this should generally be your rule of thumb when choosing the oil you need so that you get the most protection!!!

**Amount of Sulfur in Philippine Diesel fuel >500PPM?
**Is vehicle equipped with Diesel particulate filter?

----if sulfur level in fuel is greater than >500PPM choose CI-4
----if sulfur level in fuel is less than <50PPM choose CJ-4

----if vehicle is equipped with Diesel particulate filter use CJ-4
----if vehicle is not equipped with Diesel particulate filter use CI-4

The main reason why CJ-4 is created is because in other countries
Sulfur levels in the fuel have been reduced(advancement in diesel fuel)
And prolong life of particulate filters and catalytic converters

The TBN ( total base number/ ability to neutralize the acids formed primarily because of high sulfur levels in fuel) is lowered
the CJ-4 oils have lower phosphorus and other anti-wear additives generally termed as ASH...
The lower TBN of CJ-4 oils is due to the fact that the fuel has low sulfur and doesn't not need that much acid combating power

The TBN of CI-4 oils are usually high (10-12) because the fuel that is expected to be used is high in Sulfur.. therefore it contains lots of anti-wear like phosphorus and others to combat the sulfur acid effect....

As with our current sulfur levels in our diesel fuel CI-4 oils would be a better option...
ONCE it has been legalized and less than 50PPm of sulfur is enacted then CJ-4 would be option,,,,
(Am i correct DOc as to what i stated hehe,)

[dvldoc]

Your pretty spot on, all of those will have a high TBN of at least 10 and a proper level of ZDDP and a pretty high and will give you good protection.

If you pick a oil try to pull their spec sheet, we have posted dozens and dozens of them on here to help you make your choice or just do a google search.

Delo gold is a example of a oil that will serve you very well the TBN is 9.5 more than enough for a 12000km oil change interval.
http://www.lubricantsonline.co.za/up...ulti%20CH4.pdf

It also has 1500ppm zinc in it so that serious friction protection.

[miked]

how about CI-4 plus vs. CJ-4? i've read somewhere (some pdf file on the net) that CI-4 was tested (manufactured) under time constraints and so so thus the CI-4 plus.

[Retz]

^

That is very informative sir. Nagulat nga ako sa description ng CJ-4 na dapat ay below 50ppm lang. Now, how about ung mga previous versions of API ratings like CH-4, CF-4 and CF? which is still available and common to our market.

[dvldoc]

All are good oils, unless your doing extended drain intervals and your using at least CH-4, CI-4, CI-4 plus, CJ-4 oils you will be fine, Though old school diesels should not really use CJ-4 oils many are below the 1200ppm for ZDDP.

Always check the spec sheet.

[Ry_Tower]

I made some comparison of diesel oils popular here. HTH in your quest of the ideal oil for you. Prices are based here in my place so it will vary.

Some are also made to order like Gulf oils na direct sa national distributor and per case dapat order. Cheap per liter but expensive as a whole.

[butchyboy]

I made some comparison of diesel oils popular here. HTH in your quest of the ideal oil for you. Prices are based here in my place so it will vary.

Some are also made to order like Gulf oils na direct sa national distributor and per case dapat order. Cheap per liter but expensive as a whole.

Surprised that the TBN nung MX is 12, I think those are the US spec sheets since synthetic ata yun but dito sa Asia mineral lng po ata thats why TBN is 10

Mobil Delvac MX 15W-40 USA
Mobil Delvac MX 15W-40 Singapore

[butchyboy]

I made some comparison of diesel oils popular here. HTH in your quest of the ideal oil for you. Prices are based here in my place so it will vary.

Some are also made to order like Gulf oils na direct sa national distributor and per case dapat order. Cheap per liter but expensive as a whole.

Surprised that the TBN of MX is 12, US specs po ata yun since synthetic , yng sa Asia 10 lng po since mineral sya

Mobil Delvac MX 15W-40 Singapore
Mobil Delvac MX 15W-40 US

[miked]

I made some comparison of diesel oils popular here. HTH in your quest of the ideal oil for you. Prices are based here in my place so it will vary.

Some are also made to order like Gulf oils na direct sa national distributor and per case dapat order. Cheap per liter but expensive as a whole.

ngayon ko lang nascrutinize ng maige ito....mas mataas pa ang TBN nung gulf CF kesa sa gulf CI4. i suspect mas mataas additive package ng Gulf CF. kaya hindi na inilista yung Z & P. i maybe correct on this one.

RT san mo nakuha tong file na to? tia

[crazy_boy]

walang price yung Gulf hehe Top1 SDO pala has a high TBN.

[dvldoc]

I guess you can't get the Fleetforce 10w40 over the counter? Who sells it.

[Ry_Tower]

I guess you can't get the Fleetforce 10w40 over the counter? Who sells it.

hehe, miko sell it per liter, that is the cheaper option than buying in bulk. It is really for fleet options. I don't think its over the counter stuff.


GULF OIL Philippines, Inc
(An ISO 9001 & ISO 14001 Certified Company)
39 M Lozada St. Brgy. Sto Rosario, Silangan
Pateros, Metro Manila

[miko101130]

most diesels engines in the street still needs lots of ZDDP...... although there are some improvements in the Philippines with regard to diesel technology still the same engines are used... plus the sulfur levels in the fuel are still high... If you adhere to emission standards but it makes your engine less efficient over time and more prone to breakdowns what's the logic of having emissions only to scrap your engine in less than 10 years....

any CI-4 oils will really be good, basta paired with good filters!! and no extended drain intervals on city driving conditions......

actaully and liit lang nang percentage nang driving population ang bagbabasa dito sa forums, baka less than 1% lang.... so the other 99% eh nasa dilim pa din at old school myths pa rin ang pinaniniwalaan....

[number001]

any CI-4 oils will really be good, basta paired with good filters!! and no extended drain intervals on city driving conditions......
.

Extended drain interval is how many thousand kilometers?

[miked]

Para sa lahat na may alam na info sa tanong na ito: saan ba yung mga oil testing centers dito sa luzon? pakipost na lang office names, addresses, contact nos., etc. dito sa thread na ito kung maaari.

Tsaka ilan ml of oil ba ang kelangan isubmit for testing?

TIA

[miko101130]

kung warranty pa, you should follow the recommended interval.. pag hindi na warranty better research if your model is a sludge former so that you don't extend your drain... pwede naman extended drain interval pero from what i know gradual kasi dapat so you'll know how you chosen oil and filter will perform during extended drain intervals...

[zecand]

better research if your model is a sludge former so that you don't extend your drain... pwede naman extended drain interval pero from what i know gradual kasi dapat so you'll know how you chosen oil and filter will perform during extended drain intervals...

this is what I wanted to know sir.. un lucida ko ba ay ganito? hope you could answer this for me.. ^^ and could i use the Mobil MX and Fleetguard for 120000 kms? sorry noob talaga ako sa ganitong sitwasyon. TIA.

[dvldoc]

Yes you could that's if you can find one there for that vehicle. You got to remember these are small displacement engines they are not 6 liter V8 turbo diesels, 12000kms is only 8000 miles. When you double the efficiency and dirt holding capacity of the filter which you will by switching a Baldwin then 12000kms is not a long run on full synthetic group IV oil.

It also carries the Cummins CES 20078 / 20077 / 20076 rating which is for extended drain intervals of 12000 miles/ 18000kms.

When you see that Cummins rating your good to go with extended oil change intervals. Due to the fuel quality in the Philippines I would keep it at 12000kms for a good safe oil change interval. This 5000kms is just madness and based on oil change intervals that are outdated on vehicles like that because oil have change a lot since the early 90's.

The Cummins rating will also almost have a TBN of 12 or more. Mobil TDT only has a 10.7 plus it's viscosity at 40C and 100C are clearly inferior and also don't meet Cummins standards.

Mobil MX
SAE Grade 15W-40
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt * 40ºC 123
cSt * 100ºC 15.6
CCS, cP, ASTM D 5293 6000 * -20ºC
MRV, cP, ASTM D 4684 29,000 * -25°C
HTHS * 150ºC, cP, ASTM D4683 4.3
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 133
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.3
Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 12
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -30
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 230
Density * 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.879


Mobil TDT
SAE Grade 5W-40
Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
* 40ºC 97.9
* 100ºC 14.5
Viscosity Index 153
Phosporous (ASTM D4951) 0.11
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s * 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.8
Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.95
Total Base #, mg KOH/g (ASTM D2896) 10.7
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 215
Density * 15.6ºC g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.85

Anything with the Cummins rating feel free to use up to 12000kms, if you want to go further just do a oil analysis and it will tell you how much further you could go.

[zecand]

It also carries the Cummins CES 20078 / 20077 / 20076 rating which is for extended drain intervals of 12000 miles/ 18000kms.

When you see that Cummins rating your good to go with extended oil change intervals. Due to the fuel quality in the Philippines I would keep it at 12000kms for a good safe oil change interval. This 5000kms is just madness and based on oil change intervals that are outdated on vehicles like that because oil have change a lot since the early 90's.

The Cummins rating will also almost have a TBN of 12 or more. Mobil TDT only has a 10.7 plus it's viscosity at 40C and 100C are clearly inferior and also don't meet Cummins standards.

Mobil MX
SAE Grade 15W-40
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt * 40ºC 123
cSt * 100ºC 15.6
CCS, cP, ASTM D 5293 6000 * -20ºC
MRV, cP, ASTM D 4684 29,000 * -25°C
HTHS * 150ºC, cP, ASTM D4683 4.3
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 133
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.3
Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 12
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -30
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 230
Density * 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.879

Anything with the Cummins rating feel free to use up to 12000kms, if you want to go further just do a oil analysis and it will tell you how much further you could go.

super like sir!... thanks a lot.. will be looking for a Fleetguard or Luberfiner (again ) but will review the filter after. hopefully sir miko will be able to get a Baldwin for my Lucy. Thanks again sirs.