Remote bypass oil filtration

[dvldoc]

THE 4M41 is a dual flow / bypass filter/combo filter. it all means the same thing.

The BD28 and the Donaldson filter i have verified that they will fit that engine from Baldwin. So get the BD28. If the Donaldson is cheaper nothing wrong with go the Donaldson the efficiency ratings are pretty close within 4 microns.

[locoroco777]

THE 4M41 is a dual flow / bypass filter/combo filter. it all means the same thing.

The BD28 and the Donaldson filter i have verified that they will fit that engine from Baldwin. So get the BD28. If the Donaldson is cheaper nothing wrong with go the Donaldson the efficiency ratings are pretty close within 4 microns.

that's all I've waiting for...thanks a bunch doc!

it's getting deeeeeeepeeer, but very interesting topic for us'.....same here i'm also confused about dual filter will its going to work well in trooper 4jx1 or not? as of now i'll stick with full flow filter co'z that one i bought..hehehehehehhehe.. about to change oil na rin by next week... if ever that dual/combo will work with trooper 4jx1 i will try to use that combo filter...well having a combo filter has an advantage than regular full flow filter?

sir locoroco ,na try mo bang mag inquire cummins sa laguna?

it definitely is! at first all I thought is that all filters are no different from each other and the synthetic oils are enough to keep the engine going great then suddenly this thread came out and its back to zero for me....

I havent tried inquiring there eh....its quite far kasi sakin Im from bulacan hehe...the company that I asked that carries the cummins/fleetguard is the one in mindanao avenue, apparently they dont carry the part numbers I inquired about....

[Ry_Tower]

Same spec lang (dual-flow) nga but different height lang yung BD28 at BD7028 so puwede na nga yan.

that's all I've waiting for...thanks a bunch doc!



it definitely is! at first all I thought is that all filters are no different from each other and the synthetic oils are enough to keep the engine going great then suddenly this thread came out and its back to zero for me....

I havent tried inquiring there eh....its quite far kasi sakin Im from bulacan hehe...the company that I asked that carries the cummins/fleetguard is the one in mindanao avenue, apparently they dont carry the part numbers I inquired about....

[dvldoc]

The biggest difference your going to notice is how much cleaner you oil is, especially with that BD28, vs a standard over the counter filter. The cheap ones just don't filter down to the smaller particles and don't hold 1/4 the dirt as these heavy duty filters.

The OEM vs Donadoldson pic above is a good example of why they hold more particles and last longer.

Filters like OEM and VIC, and the rest of the cheap ones all have the cheap thin paper media, The industrial filters media is so much thicker and filters so much better. Lets you run your oil longer and you don't have to use synthetic if you use good filters even though your running the oil longer. It's all about what fits your budget, you will be able to go much further using synthetics than dyno.

[locoroco777]

so will the synthetic oil combined with the High quality filters of FG BD and donaldson lasting up to atleast 15k kms is possible?

[12vdc]

^Using the stock filter head?

With the dirt and heat in Ph, you are safe to assume that it would only be possible by using remote bypass filtration.

[dvldoc]

With most of these you can easily go 15000k with synthetic, The fact that they keep the oil cleaner for longer lets you get the full use out of the oil. Most people here will do 10000 mile intervals on these with these on non-commercial vehicles.

This is the purpose of their design, These filters are designed for fleet use to give owners of commercial vehicles longer oil change interval and less maintenance cost. The OEM recommended oil changes are based more on the limitations of the filtration not of the oil. Many people get 15000klm out of regular dino oil using a high quality filter. You can't do this on a bosch or Purolator because they still have less than half the dirt/particle holding capacity of a Fleetguard, or Baldwin or Donandlson .

But use good oil not the cheap junk, but a high quality non synthetic with the Baldwin will get you a 15000k oil change interval in most cases especially on a bypass set up like the BD28.

I would not push it to much pass 15000klm since you don't have oil analysis available there to see how well the oil is holding up.

For diesels I highly recommend you use oil designed for diesels vs cars since it has a much stronger additive package. Diesels work harder and turbo diesels even harder and have very high compression ratios so you need good oil. I won't use a oil unless I know what's in it zinc over 850 is what I do look for and a good amount of moly in the mix.

[Ry_Tower]

With most of these you can easily go 15000k with synthetic, The fact that they keep the oil cleaner for longer lets you get the full use out of the oil. Most people here will do 10000 mile intervals on these with these on non-commercial vehicles.

This is the purpose of their design, These filters are designed for fleet use to give owners of commercial vehicles longer oil change interval and less maintenance cost. The OEM recommended oil changes are based more on the limitations of the filtration not of the oil. Many people get 15000klm out of regular dino oil using a high quality filter. You can't do this on a bosch or Purolator because they still have less than half the dirt/particle holding capacity of a Fleetguard, or Baldwin or Donandlson .

But use good oil not the cheap junk, but a high quality non synthetic with the Baldwin will get you a 15000k oil change interval in most cases especially on a bypass set up like the BD28.

I would not push it to much pass 15000klm since you don't have oil analysis available there to see how well the oil is holding up.

For diesels I highly recommend you use oil designed for diesels vs cars since it has a much stronger additive package. Diesels work harder and turbo diesels even harder and have very high compression ratios so you need good oil. I won't use a oil unless I know what's in it zinc over 850 is what I do look for and a good amount of moly in the mix.

Do you have a link or file of what diesel engine oil have high zinc and moly content? Or would CF-rated or higher API enough as a benchmark?

[crazy_boy]

Do you have a link or file of what diesel engine oil have high zinc and moly content? Or would CF-rated or higher API enough as a benchmark?

+1, dvldoc, what oil are u using here in the Philippines? currently, im using Elf Trophy DX 15w40 and Top1 synthetic diesel oil 15w40.

[dvldoc]

Well I am not in the Philippines not until next year. But the oils I like there are the Rottela, Motul, and Mobil Delvac if you can get it.

But I like mine high in zinc if you see CI-4 Plus rating on it snap it up it's getting very rare and is very high in zinc, I was lucky Mobil has stopped making this but on base here it's on deep discount for the Mobil Delvac super 1300, in pesos it would be 225P for 1 gallon I got a bunch which I will send over when I move there.

But here is some stuff you can look for in a good diesel oil Mobile Delvac super for instance has the API service rating of CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, (new formula does not) CI-4, CH-4, CF/SM/SL plus a bunch of other manufacture ratings.

Here's how to look at these ratings.

SM – 2004 Gasoline Engine Service – For all automotive engines currently in use. Introduced in 2004, SM oils are designed to provide improved oxidation resistance, improved deposit protection, better wear protection, and better low-temperature performance over the life of the oil. Some SM oils may also meet the latest ILSAC specification and/or qualify as Energy conserving.

SL – 2001 Gasoline Engine Service – Category SL was adopted to describe engine oils for use in 2001. It is for use in service typical of gasoline engines in present and earlier passenger cars, sport utility vehicles, vans and light trucks operating under vehicle manufacturers’ recommended maintenance procedures. They may be used where API Service Category SJ and earlier categories are recommended.

CF – Indirect Injected Diesel Engine Service – Service typical of indirect injected diesel engines and other diesel engines that use a broad range of fuel types, including those using fuel with sulfur content above 0.5%. Requirements include control of piston deposits, wear and bearing corrosion. Engines may be naturally aspirated, turbocharged or supercharged. CF rated oils may be used when API CD oils are called for.
CI-4 – 2002 Severe-Duty Diesel Engine Service – The API CI-4 Service category describes oils for use in those high-speed, four-stroke cycle diesel engines designed to meet 2004 exhaust emission standards, to be implemented October 2002. These oils are compounded for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 0.05% by weight. These oils are especially effective at sustaining engine durability where Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) and other exhaust emission componentry may be used. Optimum protection is provided for control of corrosive wear tendencies, low and high temperature stability, soot handling properties, piston deposit control, valvetrain wear, oxidative thickening, foaming and viscosity loss due to shear. API CI-4 oils can effectively lubricate engines calling for API CH-4, CG-4 and CF-4 Service Categories.

CJ-4 – 2006 Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Service; Exhaust Aftertreatment – Introduced in 2006. For high-speed, four-stroke engines designed to meet 2007 model year on-highway exhaust emission standards. CJ-4 oils are compounded for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 500 ppm (0.05% by weight). However, use of these oils with greater than 15 ppm (0.0015% by weight) sulfur fuel may impact exhaust aftertreatment system durability and/or oil drain interval. CJ-4 oils are effective at sustaining emission control system durability where particulate filters and other advanced aftertreatment systems are used. Optimum protection is provided for control of catalyst poisoning, particulate filter blocking, engine wear, piston deposits, low and high temperature stability, soot handling properties, oxidative thickening, foaming, and viscosity loss due to shear. API CJ-4 oils exceed the performance criteria of API CI-4 with CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, and CF-4 and can effectively lubricate engines calling for those API Service Categories. When using CJ-4 oil with higher than 15 ppm sulfur fuel, consult the engine manufacturer for service interval.


I car more about what's in the oil the what the brand is, I won't use anything without the API rating simply because you don't know what your getting. Now if your using regular car oil in your diesel it's probably just SM rated, but using diesel oil in a gas engine is never a bad thing it offers more protection, better lubrication and have better cleaning and anti corrosion additives as well as anti wear additives.


Some ELF ratings for diesels oils can be found here. ELF Products



· ELF PERFORMANCE TROPHY DX 15W40 :
Top -of-the-range lubricant recommended by the European and American diesel engine manufacturers: trucks, buses, construction machinery and agricultural machinery used in severe conditions.
STANDARDS
ACEA : E3-96API CH4
DAIMLER CHRYSLER : MB 228.3 ; MAN : M 3275;
VOLVO : VDS-2
Performance level:
RENAULT VI : RD ; SCANIA : E3 ; DAF : E3


Heavy Duty (Diesel) « Top 1 Oil

Some of there formulations can be found here, Looks like a good amount of zinc over 1000ppm.

http://www.top1oil.com.pl/pliki/all.pdf

Top-1 synthetic diesel oil (sdo) 15w-40
Specification/s
Api ci-4, ch-4/sl


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