Remote bypass oil filtration

**dvldoc** · August 5th, 2011 12:42 PM

Well I am not in the Philippines not until next year. But the oils I like there are the Rottela, Motul, and Mobil Delvac if you can get it.

But I like mine high in zinc if you see CI-4 Plus rating on it snap it up it's getting very rare and is very high in zinc, I was lucky Mobil has stopped making this but on base here it's on deep discount for the Mobil Delvac super 1300, in pesos it would be 225P for 1 gallon

I got a bunch which I will send over when I move there.

But here is some stuff you can look for in a good diesel oil Mobile Delvac super for instance has the API service rating of CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, (new formula does not) CI-4, CH-4, CF/SM/SL plus a bunch of other manufacture ratings.

Here's how to look at these ratings.

SM – 2004 Gasoline Engine Service – For all automotive engines currently in use. Introduced in 2004, SM oils are designed to provide improved oxidation resistance, improved deposit protection, better wear protection, and better low-temperature performance over the life of the oil. Some SM oils may also meet the latest ILSAC specification and/or qualify as Energy conserving.

SL – 2001 Gasoline Engine Service – Category SL was adopted to describe engine oils for use in 2001. It is for use in service typical of gasoline engines in present and earlier passenger cars, sport utility vehicles, vans and light trucks operating under vehicle manufacturers’ recommended maintenance procedures. They may be used where API Service Category SJ and earlier categories are recommended.

CF – Indirect Injected Diesel Engine Service – Service typical of indirect injected diesel engines and other diesel engines that use a broad range of fuel types, including those using fuel with sulfur content above 0.5%. Requirements include control of piston deposits, wear and bearing corrosion. Engines may be naturally aspirated, turbocharged or supercharged. CF rated oils may be used when API CD oils are called for.

CI-4 – 2002 Severe-Duty Diesel Engine Service – The API CI-4 Service category describes oils for use in those high-speed, four-stroke cycle diesel engines designed to meet 2004 exhaust emission standards, to be implemented October 2002. These oils are compounded for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 0.05% by weight. These oils are especially effective at sustaining engine durability where Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) and other exhaust emission componentry may be used. Optimum protection is provided for control of corrosive wear tendencies, low and high temperature stability, soot handling properties, piston deposit control, valvetrain wear, oxidative thickening, foaming and viscosity loss due to shear. API CI-4 oils can effectively lubricate engines calling for API CH-4, CG-4 and CF-4 Service Categories.

CJ-4 – 2006 Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Service; Exhaust Aftertreatment – Introduced in 2006. For high-speed, four-stroke engines designed to meet 2007 model year on-highway exhaust emission standards. CJ-4 oils are compounded for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 500 ppm (0.05% by weight). However, use of these oils with greater than 15 ppm (0.0015% by weight) sulfur fuel may impact exhaust aftertreatment system durability and/or oil drain interval. CJ-4 oils are effective at sustaining emission control system durability where particulate filters and other advanced aftertreatment systems are used. Optimum protection is provided for control of catalyst poisoning, particulate filter blocking, engine wear, piston deposits, low and high temperature stability, soot handling properties, oxidative thickening, foaming, and viscosity loss due to shear. API CJ-4 oils exceed the performance criteria of API CI-4 with CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, and CF-4 and can effectively lubricate engines calling for those API Service Categories. When using CJ-4 oil with higher than 15 ppm sulfur fuel, consult the engine manufacturer for service interval.

I car more about what's in the oil the what the brand is, I won't use anything without the API rating simply because you don't know what your getting. Now if your using regular car oil in your diesel it's probably just SM rated, but using diesel oil in a gas engine is never a bad thing it offers more protection, better lubrication and have better cleaning and anti corrosion additives as well as anti wear additives.

Some ELF ratings for diesels oils can be found here. ELF Products

· ELF PERFORMANCE TROPHY DX 15W40 :
Top -of-the-range lubricant recommended by the European and American diesel engine manufacturers: trucks, buses, construction machinery and agricultural machinery used in severe conditions.
STANDARDS
ACEA : E3-96API CH4
DAIMLER CHRYSLER : MB 228.3 ; MAN : M 3275;
VOLVO : VDS-2
Performance level:
RENAULT VI : RD ; SCANIA : E3 ; DAF : E3

Heavy Duty (Diesel) « Top 1 Oil

Some of there formulations can be found here, Looks like a good amount of zinc over 1000ppm. But in my turbo diesel I won't use oil not rated for diesels it simply does not have the additive package for keeping the oil clean and soot reduction or increased wear protection.

The C in the diesel oil stands for C - Commercial so it's for heavy duty engines. Bottom line oils not designed for diesel use will not perform nearly as well and will need to be changed far more often and with the cost of oil your killing yourself in oil changes. Gas engines throw in whatever it really does not matter I put diesel oil in everything even the scooter.

http://www.top1oil.com.pl/pliki/all.pdf

Top-1 synthetic diesel oil (sdo) 15w-40
Specification/s
Api ci-4, ch-4/sl

How's that for a answer

**crazy_boy** · August 5th, 2011 01:07 PM

dvldoc, so basically CH-4 and better is ok?

Because im thinking of switching from CI-4 (semi syn) to CH-4 (mineral)

**dvldoc** · August 5th, 2011 01:33 PM

Shell Rotella is a good all around oil for all vehicles including scooters since it carries the JASO/MA rating as well.

JASO-MA

JASO is an acronym that stands for "The Japanese Automotive Standards Organization." Among other things, they set standards for oil to be used in motorcycles.

Shell Rotella T 15W-40 conventional oil now lists on its packaging JASO MA as one of the specifications it meets, as does the Rotella website product page:

Note that the 10W-30 conventional oil does not list JASO-MA.
The newer fully synthetic T6 5W-40 oil also lists JASO-MA compliance on its packaging and on the Rotella website.

Shell Rotella® T
Triple Protection®
SAE 15W-40 API CJ-4, 10W-30 API CJ-4

Shell Rotella® T6
Full Synthetic
SAE 5W-40 API CJ-4

Shell Rotella® T5
Synthetic Blend Technology
SAE 10W-40 API CJ-4,
10W-30 API CJ-4

They all meet these additional standards in 10w40 formula

API: CJ-4, SM; ACEA E9, E7;
Caterpillar ECF-3, ECF-2; Cummins
CES 20081; Mack EO-O Premium
PLUS; DDC 93K218; MAN 3275;
MTU Category 2.1; MB Approval
228.31; Volvo VDS-4; JASO DH-2

Shell Helix is probably a more common oil there to find.

Shell Helix Diesel Super
API SL/CF, ACEA A2.

Shell Helix HX7
PI SM/CF, ACEA A3/B3/B4, JASO SG+, VW 502.00/505.00, MB Sheet 229.1, BMW LL-98

Shell Helix Ultra (does not carry the diesel rating)
Meets engine test requirement of API SM, ACEA A3/B3/B4, BMW LL-01, MB Approval 229.5, VW 502 00/503.01/505 00

Shell Helix HX5
API SL/CF, ACEA A2

Castro GTX (none of their regular oils meet diesel oil standards)

SAE 5W-30:
API Service SM, SL, SJ and SH, as well as exceeding all the requirements of ILSAC GF-4/GF-3/GF-2 for PI Certified Gasoline Engine Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards.

SAE 10W-30:
API Service SM, SL, SJ and SH as well as exceeding the requirements of ILSAC GF-4/GF-3/GF-2 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards. Exceeds GM6094M.

SAE 10W-40:
API service SM, SL, SJ and SH as well as exceeding the engine protection requirements for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils.

[SIZE=2]Castro GTX Diesel[/SIZE]
Provides protection from piston deposits, oil thickening and valve train wear while minimizing engine deposit formation.
Engineered to provide performance in engines operating under severe service conditions, including towing and hauling under high temperatures.

Applicable for on and off road heavy duty 4 stroke trucks, gasoline and diesel light trucks and passenger cars where API CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, CF SL or SL SJ are recommended

Special viscosity improvers, anti-wear, anti-oxidant and detergent additives protect and maintain cleanliness in hot running, heavy duty diesel and heavy duty gasoline engines.

Approved against the Mack EO-M and EO-M+ specifications and meets the performance requirements of Cummins CES 20071,72,76 specifications. Recommended for Mack, Cummins, Caterpillar, Navistar and Detroit Diesel 4 stroke engines where API CI-4, CH-4 or CG-4 is required.

Recommended for applications calling for Volvo VDS, VDS-2 and API service CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, CF/SI, SJ.

Castro Edge
ILSAC GF-5, GF-4 and GF-3 and/or API SN, SM and SL

Castrol SYNTEC is now Castrol EDGE with SYNTEC Power Technology.
ILSAC GF-5, GF-4 and GF-3 and/or API SN, SM and SL

Castrol GTX High Mileage
API SN, SM and SL
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Just because it's the right weight oil does not mean it's the right oil for your vehicle. You got to read the API rating.[/SIZE]

**dvldoc** · August 5th, 2011 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by crazy_boy

dvldoc, so basically CH-4 and better is ok?

Because im thinking of switching from CI-4 (semi syn) to CH-4 (mineral)

CI-4 is the newer standard and basically replaces it. They both will work fine whatever fit's a persons budget. If your using a quality oil filter the good old mineral will still serve you well.

CH-4 – 1998 Reduced Emission Diesel Engine Service – The CH-4 category is intended to address the requirements for high-speed,
four stroke diesel engines to meet 1998 exhaust emission standards. CH-4 oils are specifically compounded for use with diesel fuels containing up to 0.5% sulfur. They can also be used in gasoline engines when combined with the appropriate “S” category when the vehicle or engine manufacturer recommends. CH-4 oils can replace those rated CD, CE, CF-4, and CG-4.

CI-4 – 2002 Severe-Duty Diesel Engine Service – The API CI-4 Service category describes oils for use in those high-speed, four-stroke cycle diesel engines designed to meet 2004 exhaust emission standards, to be implemented October 2002. These oils are compounded for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 0.05% by weight. These oils are especially effective at sustaining engine durability where Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) and other exhaust emission componentry may be used. Optimum protection is provided for control of corrosive wear tendencies, low and high temperature stability, soot handling properties, piston deposit control, valvetrain wear, oxidative thickening, foaming and viscosity loss due to shear. API CI-4 oils can effectively lubricate engines calling for API CH-4, CG-4 and CF-4 Service Categories.

**crazy_boy** · August 5th, 2011 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by dvldoc

CI-4 is the newer standard and basically replaces it. They both will work fine whatever fit's a persons budget. If your using a quality oil filter the good old mineral will still serve you well.

CH-4 – 1998 Reduced Emission Diesel Engine Service – The CH-4 category is intended to address the requirements for high-speed,
four stroke diesel engines to meet 1998 exhaust emission standards. CH-4 oils are specifically compounded for use with diesel fuels containing up to 0.5% sulfur. They can also be used in gasoline engines when combined with the appropriate “S” category when the vehicle or engine manufacturer recommends. CH-4 oils can replace those rated CD, CE, CF-4, and CG-4.

CI-4 – 2002 Severe-Duty Diesel Engine Service – The API CI-4 Service category describes oils for use in those high-speed, four-stroke cycle diesel engines designed to meet 2004 exhaust emission standards, to be implemented October 2002. These oils are compounded for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 0.05% by weight. These oils are especially effective at sustaining engine durability where Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) and other exhaust emission componentry may be used. Optimum protection is provided for control of corrosive wear tendencies, low and high temperature stability, soot handling properties, piston deposit control, valvetrain wear, oxidative thickening, foaming and viscosity loss due to shear. API CI-4 oils can effectively lubricate engines calling for API CH-4, CG-4 and CF-4 Service Categories.

Got it sir! thanks! Will also check my owner's manual to see the minimum API requirement

anyway, im currently using Bosch filter, which I think is a notch better than Vic. Will try Baldwin next time

**locoroco777** · August 5th, 2011 04:58 PM

Doc,

Im currently using a 5w40 grade diesel specific oil with an API rating of CJ-4....

But according to an engineer I've talked to he said that the 5w40 is "too thin" for the climate here, and might cost some trouble in the long run... also, he said that the more appropriate oil here is in the range of 10w and 15w however, Im still satisfied with the performance Im getting with the 5w40 oil...but Im quite concerned about what he said with regards to it causing me trouble in the long run...

also, as I so much want our both ends to meet, I cannot find a Synthetic diesel oil in the ranges of 10w and 15w
because its either a synthetic one but not diesel specific or the other way around...

So may I know whats your take on that?

**sn0wbLind** · August 5th, 2011 05:29 PM

may nakatry na ng Micking engine oil?

**Ry_Tower** · August 5th, 2011 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by dvldoc

Well I am not in the Philippines not until next year. But the oils I like there are the Rottela, Motul, and Mobil Delvac if you can get it.

But I like mine high in zinc if you see CI-4 Plus rating on it snap it up it's getting very rare and is very high in zinc, I was lucky Mobil has stopped making this but on base here it's on deep discount for the Mobil Delvac super 1300, in pesos it would be 225P for 1 gallon

I got a bunch which I will send over when I move there.

But here is some stuff you can look for in a good diesel oil Mobile Delvac super for instance has the API service rating of CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, (new formula does not) CI-4, CH-4, CF/SM/SL plus a bunch of other manufacture ratings.

Here's how to look at these ratings.

SM – 2004 Gasoline Engine Service – For all automotive engines currently in use. Introduced in 2004, SM oils are designed to provide improved oxidation resistance, improved deposit protection, better wear protection, and better low-temperature performance over the life of the oil. Some SM oils may also meet the latest ILSAC specification and/or qualify as Energy conserving.

SL – 2001 Gasoline Engine Service – Category SL was adopted to describe engine oils for use in 2001. It is for use in service typical of gasoline engines in present and earlier passenger cars, sport utility vehicles, vans and light trucks operating under vehicle manufacturers’ recommended maintenance procedures. They may be used where API Service Category SJ and earlier categories are recommended.

CF – Indirect Injected Diesel Engine Service – Service typical of indirect injected diesel engines and other diesel engines that use a broad range of fuel types, including those using fuel with sulfur content above 0.5%. Requirements include control of piston deposits, wear and bearing corrosion. Engines may be naturally aspirated, turbocharged or supercharged. CF rated oils may be used when API CD oils are called for.
CI-4 – 2002 Severe-Duty Diesel Engine Service – The API CI-4 Service category describes oils for use in those high-speed, four-stroke cycle diesel engines designed to meet 2004 exhaust emission standards, to be implemented October 2002. These oils are compounded for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 0.05% by weight. These oils are especially effective at sustaining engine durability where Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) and other exhaust emission componentry may be used. Optimum protection is provided for control of corrosive wear tendencies, low and high temperature stability, soot handling properties, piston deposit control, valvetrain wear, oxidative thickening, foaming and viscosity loss due to shear. API CI-4 oils can effectively lubricate engines calling for API CH-4, CG-4 and CF-4 Service Categories.

CJ-4 – 2006 Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Service; Exhaust Aftertreatment – Introduced in 2006. For high-speed, four-stroke engines designed to meet 2007 model year on-highway exhaust emission standards. CJ-4 oils are compounded for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 500 ppm (0.05% by weight). However, use of these oils with greater than 15 ppm (0.0015% by weight) sulfur fuel may impact exhaust aftertreatment system durability and/or oil drain interval. CJ-4 oils are effective at sustaining emission control system durability where particulate filters and other advanced aftertreatment systems are used. Optimum protection is provided for control of catalyst poisoning, particulate filter blocking, engine wear, piston deposits, low and high temperature stability, soot handling properties, oxidative thickening, foaming, and viscosity loss due to shear. API CJ-4 oils exceed the performance criteria of API CI-4 with CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, and CF-4 and can effectively lubricate engines calling for those API Service Categories. When using CJ-4 oil with higher than 15 ppm sulfur fuel, consult the engine manufacturer for service interval.

I car more about what's in the oil the what the brand is, I won't use anything without the API rating simply because you don't know what your getting. Now if your using regular car oil in your diesel it's probably just SM rated, but using diesel oil in a gas engine is never a bad thing it offers more protection, better lubrication and have better cleaning and anti corrosion additives as well as anti wear additives.

Some ELF ratings for diesels oils can be found here. ELF Products

· ELF PERFORMANCE TROPHY DX 15W40 :
Top -of-the-range lubricant recommended by the European and American diesel engine manufacturers: trucks, buses, construction machinery and agricultural machinery used in severe conditions.
STANDARDS
ACEA : E3-96API CH4
DAIMLER CHRYSLER : MB 228.3 ; MAN : M 3275;
VOLVO : VDS-2
Performance level:
RENAULT VI : RD ; SCANIA : E3 ; DAF : E3

Heavy Duty (Diesel) « Top 1 Oil

Some of there formulations can be found here, Looks like a good amount of zinc over 1000ppm.

http://www.top1oil.com.pl/pliki/all.pdf

Top-1 synthetic diesel oil (sdo) 15w-40
Specification/s
Api ci-4, ch-4/sl

How's that for a answer

I used in my pick-up the Mobul delvac MX 15w40 with CI-4 rating before. I'm gonna decide whether the Top1 SDO Oil or the Shell Helix Diesel HX7 will be my permanent oil. Shel HX7 is just CF rated but is semi-syn. Same price with Top1 SDO whihc has higher API rating at CI-4. I guess i'll be using either Top1 SDO or Mobil Delvac althought the dlvac is tempting at just P200/ltr vs the P300-304 for Top 1 SDO and Shell Helix Diesel HX7.

Thanks for the links!

**Ry_Tower** · August 5th, 2011 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by crazy_boy

Got it sir! thanks! Will also check my owner's manual to see the minimum API requirement

anyway, im currently using Bosch filter, which I think is a notch better than Vic. Will try Baldwin next time

Our ride is requiring only CD rated oil.

But it is better to use a better oil. Top1 SDO na gamit mo diba? Mukhang mas ok yan due to higher zinc content eh.

Same price with Shell Helix Diesel HX7 kasi eh.

Mobil Delvac and Shell Rimula X multigrades naman yung budget oil na maganda rin since CI-4 rated na at widely available pa.

**Ry_Tower** · August 5th, 2011 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by locoroco777

Doc,

Im currently using a 5w40 grade diesel specific oil with an API rating of CJ-4....

But according to an engineer I've talked to he said that the 5w40 is "too thin" for the climate here, and might cost some trouble in the long run... also, he said that the more appropriate oil here is in the range of 10w and 15w however, Im still satisfied with the performance Im getting with the 5w40 oil...but Im quite concerned about what he said with regards to it causing me trouble in the long run...

also, as I so much want our both ends to meet, I cannot find a Synthetic diesel oil in the ranges of 10w and 15w
because its either a synthetic one but not diesel specific or the other way around...

So may I know whats your take on that?

It's ok since the 40rating is what is for the climate at star-up in temperate climates. Yung 5 rating naman is for the colder climates. Kaya nga sa mga laging snow covered, dapat 0wXX ang rating AFAIK.

It is not too thin since most multigrade here are even 15w40 eh.