China Corona Virus Outbreak

[boybi]

i think the vaccines will be transported by air

i don't think those hitech vaccines can survive the length of time ng sea voyage

It’s also going to be a challenge for the air cargo industry to ship an estimated 8,000 jumbo flights to deliver the vaccine across the world. And that’s just for a single dose of vaccine, and storage temp of 2-5C. So mas mahirap pa if they’re going to transport vaccines at freezing temps.

[boybi]

Then gumawa sila ng mga mass vaccine facilities malapit sa mga airports. Nayong Pilipino siguro pag sa NAIA. Sa Clark malaki naman space pwede din Subic, Cebu then Davao. Ewan ko sa Cagayan kung pwede mag land ang planes. Tuguegarao siguro then Ilocos pa pala


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Easier said than done.

Mga cargo planes need ng backload, kaya they will need to land sa hub nila. If the planes will fly out empty, dodoble shipping cost.

Hindi din naman matatapos vaccination in 1 day or even 3 days, so need ng ultra low temp storage facility.

[shadow]

Easier said than done.

Mga cargo planes need ng backload, kaya they will need to land sa hub nila. If the planes will fly out empty, dodoble shipping cost.

Hindi din naman matatapos vaccination in 1 day or even 3 days, so need ng ultra low temp storage facility.

Wala naman mga pasahero ngayon eh. Eh di gamitin na lahat ng naka tambak na planes ng PAL and Cebpac.


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[uls]

It’s also going to be a challenge for the air cargo industry to ship an estimated 8,000 jumbo flights to deliver the vaccine across the world. And that’s just for a single dose of vaccine, and storage temp of 2-5C. So mas mahirap pa if they’re going to transport vaccines at freezing temps.

yep

kaya people shouldn't be too excited about headlines

ung magkakaroon na daw ng approved vaccine in 3 to 4 weeks

the reality on the ground will be different from headlines kaya dapat idial-down ang expectations

how long will be the time lag between US FDA approval and the day you can get an injection at your local hospital?

weeks? months?

[12vdc]

Yung mga existing flushots at pneumonia vaccines mga nka 2-5 degrees din naman ah, what's so special sa handling ng covid19 vaccine siguro yung volume?

[Monseratto]

There won’t be enough coronavirus vaccines for a return to normal life until 2022, WHO scientist says | South China Morning Post

[boybi]

Wala naman mga pasahero ngayon eh. Eh di gamitin na lahat ng naka tambak na planes ng PAL and Cebpac.


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Malaki opex in flying an empty plane. They’d rather keep in on the ground. Besides, hindi fully equipped mga passenger planes to transport the vaccines.

Dilemma yan ng air cargo industry, they are now strategizing how to ship these vaccines, way before any of the vaccines will be approved for general use.

[shadow]

Malaki opex in flying an empty plane. They’d rather keep in on the ground. Besides, hindi fully equipped mga passenger planes to transport the vaccines.

Dilemma yan ng air cargo industry, they are now strategizing how to ship these vaccines, way before any of the vaccines will be approved for general use.

Kung opex lang problema, kailangan sagutin ng govt yan kailangan nila mag divert ng funds from other projects.

In short they have to do something, hinde yun kung andyan na saka na pag isipan ulit like nun early march. Nakadarapa mag procure ng test kits.


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[boybi]

There won’t be enough coronavirus vaccines for a return to normal life until 2022, WHO scientist says | South China Morning Post

No vaccine have ever been produced in the billions, max yata is 600 million.

So according to the article, ang goal is to reach 2B vaccines by end of 2021. So parang China and India palang, kulang pa.

[boybi]

Kung opex lang problema, kailangan sagutin ng govt yan kailangan nila mag divert ng funds from other projects.

In short they have to do something, hinde yun kung andyan na saka na pag isipan ulit like nun early march. Nakadarapa mag procure ng test kits.


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How about equipping the planes with the necessary equipment for transporting the vaccines? Remember, maaaring hindi na magamit yan after all the vaccines would have been shipped.

[shadow]

How about equipping the planes with the necessary equipment for transporting the vaccines? Remember, maaaring hindi na magamit yan after all the vaccines would have been shipped.

Take over ni duterte j&t lumilipad naman mga trucks nila. [emoji23]

Baka pwede yun cargo container lang mismo ang equipt nila to carry those vaccines and not the plane mismo tula maliliit lang naman yan vaccines.

Meron na palang mga existing unit load defice na temperatures controlled for planes so pwede na mga yan.




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[uls]

Yung mga existing flushots at pneumonia vaccines mga nka 2-5 degrees din naman ah, what's so special sa handling ng covid19 vaccine siguro yung volume?

negative 24 degrees Fahrenheit

Pfizer and BioNTech's mRNA hopeful, dubbed BNT162b2, specifically raised eyebrows: The vaccine reportedly needs to be held in storage at -94° Fahrenheit, and will last for only 24 hours at refrigerated temps between 35.6° and 46.4°.

[uls]

so what's so special?

sa sobra iksi ng shelf life kailangan gamitin agad

Given those constraints, the analysts argued that Pfizer's shot could only be used at certain hospitals and clinics with the proper equipment, and would require "intensive one-day vaccination events at such sites ... (that would) cover a fraction of the healthy population."

pag arrive ng vaccine, gamitin agad

kaya ba dito sa 3rd world PH?

[shadow]

negative 24 degrees Fahrenheit

Sigurado na ba yan? Ano yun 35-46°?


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[uls]

Moderna

negative 4 degrees Fahrenheit

hindi Celcius

Despite similar storage issues, Moderna is pursuing stability data showing its vaccine, mRNA-1273, can be stored at -4° Fahrenheit—which would be a big leg up over Pfizer's candidate. On a Wednesday call with investors, Moderna CTO Juan Andres said the -4° mark was a "very normal storage condition" comparable to home freezers

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infrastructure available?

sa mga probinsya meron?

"Of course, industrial, well-monitored freezers for pharmaceuticals will be used for storage and shipment, Andres said. "The point here is that the infrastructure is widely available, and we do not need special equipment to use our vaccine."

good luck using Moderna and Pfizer's vaccine in 3rd world PH

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Sigurado na ba yan? Ano yun 35-46°?


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Fahrenheit

US article yan they don't use Celcius diba

[shadow]

so what's so special?

sa sobra iksi ng shelf life kailangan gamitin agad





pag arrive ng vaccine, gamitin agad

kaya ba dito sa 3rd world PH?

Mass vaccine facility malapit sa airport para pag dating diretso na magamit or kahit yun hanger ng mga planes doon na gawin vaccination sites. Easier said than done. Yes, but we have to do something kung yun lang talaga paraan.

Or kahit sa tabi nun tarmac magtayo ng tent pare diretso na.

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[uls]

kaya ko nasabi mas bagay pang mass vaccination sa Pinas ang mga old fashioned traditional vaccine na gawa sa whole virus kasi di masyado maselan

you need to transport the vaccines all over the country tapos pag dating sa destination kailangan mo ng storage dahil di naman magagamit agad

eh ang gumagawa lang ng old fashioned vaccine mga China pharma

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re those hi tech vaccines made by western pharma

kung ang vaccine after only 24 or 48 hours masisira na (in normal home freezer temp) paano mo gagamitin sa Pinas ambagal bagal kumilos ng gobyerno natin

[uls]

tapos haharangin ng NPA

#3rdworldPH

[ale828]

Alam ko in Metro Manila mayrun a few very hi tech and bagong cold storage facilities dito. i am quite sure kaya nila modify yung facility nila to accommodate the storage of vaccines. its the transport to and from the airport plus the transport and storage in the provinces that will be a big problem and hindi natin kaya.

tama si uls sa provinces yung security kailagan, NPA at mga radical muslim in the south.

[boybi]

Mass vaccine facility malapit sa airport para pag dating diretso na magamit or kahit yun hanger ng mga planes doon na gawin vaccination sites. Easier said than done. Yes, but we have to do something kung yun lang talaga paraan.

Or kahit sa tabi nun tarmac magtayo ng tent pare diretso na.

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Yes, something really has to be done. But knowing how our government works, good luck to us all, er, sa mga mahihirap lang pala. The rich have the capability to travel to another country to take the vaccine.

Another thing, pag dating ng vaccines dito, dami pa red tape. A lot of the medicines in the warehouses of DOH inaabutan ng expiration date. Daming documentations etc., tapos bagal pa kumilos. From customs to rural health units, dami sobrang dadaanan.