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    #20141
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post


    pansin ko halos walang reaction mga tao dito tungkol sa news na ito

    akala ko concerned mga tao sa safety ng mga bakuna?

    o concerned lang sa safety ng mga bakuna na hindi gawa sa US / Europe

    kung nangyari ito sa china vaccine sigurado lampas 2 pages ang reaction dito
    maybe people are tired.
    i have tried to listen to our local radiolized senate hearings on our covid vaccination issues.
    ...nakaka-pagod!

    i would be interested in how the norwegians died.
    medyo sketchy kasi ang nahagip kong artikulos...
    it could be cause-and-effect, or it could be incidental...
    Last edited by dr. d; January 17th, 2021 at 12:11 AM.

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    #20142
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    maybe people are tired.
    i have tried to listen to our local radiolized senate hearings on our covid vaccination issues.
    ...nakaka-pagod!

    i would be interested in how the norwegians died.
    medyo sketchy kasi ang nahagip kong artikulos...
    it could be cause-and-effect, or it could be incidental...
    Lahat pagod na doc, buong bansa at mundo. Maliban maybe sa North Korea.
    Gusto ko ng gumala na walang fmask at fshield.

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    #20143
    Quote Originally Posted by Ketib View Post
    Lahat pagod na doc, buong bansa at mundo. Maliban maybe sa North Korea.
    Gusto ko ng gumala na walang fmask at fshield.

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    mag hiking tayo nang mag-isa sa liblib na purok.

    yung nag-retire sa office namin, ganyan.
    "doc d, bakit naman ako mag-ma-mask at face shield, eh ako lang ang tao sa farm ko sa gilid ng bundok?"

    heh heh.

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    #20144
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    diba very high efficacy ang pfizer vaccine

    may nag explain -- covid patients who had more severe symptoms developed more antibodies after they recovered compared to those who were asymptomatic / mild symptoms

    so if you want a vaccine with high efficacy it needs too induce a strong antibody response

    but that comes with more pronounced symptoms

    the immune response to the Pfizer vaccine seems to strong for 80+ yr olds... pushed them over the edge
    Try mo to:
    Note: Dr. Richard Mata is an ardent supporter of du30, but I think a good man.

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    #20145
    Eh bakit kasi masyado trying hard duterte na isaksak China vaccine sa mga tao.

    Bigyan nila ng choice. Takot ba sila na langawin yun vaccine ng BFF niya? Eh di mauna siya saka yun mga gusto sa sinovac.


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    #20146
    29 deaths attributed to common side effects of vaccination. Updated average age group of 75 and above most vunerable.

    Norway Raises Concern Over Vaccine Jabs for the Elderly

    “There are 13 deaths that have been assessed, and we are aware of another 16 deaths that are currently being assessed,” the agency said. All the reported deaths related to “elderly people with serious basic disorders,” it said. “Most people have experienced the expected side effects of the vaccine, such as nausea and vomiting, fever, local reactions at the injection site, and worsening of their underlying condition.”

    The findings have prompted Norway to suggest that Covid-19 vaccines may be too risky for the very old and terminally ill, the most cautious statement yet from a European health authority
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    Last edited by Monseratto; January 17th, 2021 at 10:37 AM.

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    #20147
    According to china, ALL case of CHINA WUHAN VIRUS are imported daw: China says latest COVID-19 outbreak caused by imported cases | ABS-CBN News

    And then this: Ice cream reportedly 'tests positive' for COVID-19 | Inquirer News

    So pati icream pala na gawa nila locally ay imported na

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    #20148
    edit ko lang itong post ko di ko na kasi ma-edit

    diba very high efficacy ang pfizer vaccine

    may nag explain -- covid patients who had more severe symptoms developed more antibodies after they recovered compared to those who were asymptomatic / mild symptoms

    so if you want a vaccine with high efficacy it needs to induce a strong antibody response

    but that comes with more pronounced symptoms

    the immune response to the Pfizer vaccine seems too strong for 80+ yr olds... pushed them over the edge

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    #20149
    Quote Originally Posted by Flipo View Post
    Try mo to:
    Note: Dr. Richard Mata is an ardent supporter of du30, but I think a good man.

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    ung sinabi ni Dr Mata ganyan din post ko

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    #20150
    if you've been following the news... after getting a Pfizer shot, many US healthcare workers say they experience a day of fatigue

    yun lang -- 1 day of not feeling well

    mga prime age adults yan so kayang kaya nila ang side effect ng vaccine

    kayang kaya ng mga bata pero maari di kaya ng mga matanda ang side effects

    basically yan ang nangyari sa Norway

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    #20151
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    if you've been following the news... after getting a Pfizer shot, many US healthcare workers say they experience a day of fatigue

    yun lang -- 1 day of not feeling well

    mga prime age adults yan so kayang kaya nila ang side effect ng vaccine

    kayang kaya ng mga bata pero maari di kaya ng mga matanda ang side effects

    basically yan ang nangyari sa Norway
    So the inactivated Astrazenca, Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines are ideal for people with pre-existing conditions (allergies) and the elderly...?

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    #20152
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Eh bakit kasi masyado trying hard duterte na isaksak China vaccine sa mga tao.

    Bigyan nila ng choice. Takot ba sila na langawin yun vaccine ng BFF niya? Eh di mauna siya saka yun mga gusto sa sinovac.


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    Lalangawin talaga yan. Imagine 25M doses taking up precious refrigeration space. Not to menton that at say P3k a pop, thats P75B of unused vaccines all Filipinos will have to pay back. Even Digong refusing to get the first shot is not helping their cause.

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    #20153
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Eh bakit kasi masyado trying hard duterte na isaksak China vaccine sa mga tao.

    Bigyan nila ng choice. Takot ba sila na langawin yun vaccine ng BFF niya? Eh di mauna siya saka yun mga gusto sa sinovac.


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    This theory is from columnist Federico Pascual of Philstar:

    President Duterte has retracted his pledge to take the first shot of the vaccine promised to be delivered by China last December yet. He is now saying that he will have his injection after all those on the priority lists have been inoculated.

    His backtracking may rekindle doubts on the efficacy and safety of the Chinese vaccines. If indeed he believes in the reliability of the drugs offered by Beijing, he should go back to his original promise to take the first shot of the Chinese vaccines when they arrive.

    But this could be problematic if speculations have basis that he may have had his first dose already when his security men had themselves inoculated (illegally) with smuggled Chinese vaccine more than a month ago.

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    #20154
    ^^^

    though for most people walang pinagkaiba since parehong china... magkaiba ung sinopharm and sinovac

    ung bakuna ng sinopharm matagal na ginagamit yan

    yan ang bakuna binigay sa china military

    kung civilian ka at gusto mo mabakunahan yan ang bakuna available

    Sinopharm's vaccine is already in use for several months

    nauna sila sa Sinovac

    why are people surprised nakarating sa pinas ang bakuna ng Sinopharm?

    4 hour flight lang CH to PH anyone can bring those in

    ung tsismis na meron vaccination sa binondo mahirap ba paniwalaan?

    And why is it shocking PSG got vaccinated?

    may tsismis din may mga gov't official nabakunahan na din

    sigurado madami na nabakunahan dito
    Last edited by uls; January 17th, 2021 at 12:14 PM.

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    #20155
    diba sabi nyo BFF ang china and du30

    so it's in the best interest of china to keep du30 alive right?

    kaya nabakunahan na ang PSG at baka pati si du30

    and other high ranking gov't people
    Last edited by uls; January 17th, 2021 at 12:20 PM.

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    #20156
    Subscribe to read | Financial Times


    Rollout of China’s Sinovac vaccine in Hong Kong under threat

    Hong Kong is likely to delay the distribution of mainland Chinese producer Sinovac’s Covid-19 vaccine because of a lack of trial data, raising transparency concerns over a shot Beijing wants to sell throughout the developing world.

    Any doubts over the Sinovac inoculation risks heightening political tension in Hong Kong over the government’s free vaccine strategy. Carrie Lam, the territory’s leader, is facing a struggle to convince some citizens to accept vaccines developed in mainland China.


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    #20157
    i am wondering,
    if sinovac is privately owned, and sinopharm is partly government-owned,
    why does it appear to me, that sinovac is getting the limelight?

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    #20158
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    mag hiking tayo nang mag-isa sa liblib na purok.

    yung nag-retire sa office namin, ganyan.
    "doc d, bakit naman ako mag-ma-mask at face shield, eh ako lang ang tao sa farm ko sa gilid ng bundok?"

    heh heh.
    Dito sa amin dok sa public place na lang kelangan face mask, savemore at mercury drug na lang nagrerequire ng face shield. mga bata kita mo na sa mga falls, ilog at sa mga kalsada nagbibisikleta, jogging.

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    #20159
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    ^^^

    though for most people walang pinagkaiba since parehong china... magkaiba ung sinopharm and sinovac

    ung bakuna ng sinopharm matagal na ginagamit yan

    yan ang bakuna binigay sa china military

    kung civilian ka at gusto mo mabakunahan yan ang bakuna available

    Sinopharm's vaccine is already in use for several months

    nauna sila sa Sinovac

    why are people surprised nakarating sa pinas ang bakuna ng Sinopharm?

    4 hour flight lang CH to PH anyone can bring those in

    ung tsismis na meron vaccination sa binondo mahirap ba paniwalaan?

    And why is it shocking PSG got vaccinated?

    may tsismis din may mga gov't official nabakunahan na din

    sigurado madami na nabakunahan dito
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    diba sabi nyo BFF ang china and du30

    so it's in the best interest of china to keep du30 alive right?

    kaya nabakunahan na ang PSG at baka pati si du30

    and other high ranking gov't people
    A black market for illegal coronavirus vaccines is thriving in the Philippines

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world..._7cs0ohnHRoxt8

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    #20160
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    i am wondering,
    if sinovac is privately owned, and sinopharm is partly government-owned,
    why does it appear to me, that sinovac is getting the limelight?
    In china, the lines between private and goverment owned are muddled.

    All private enterprises are subordinate to the party ... not the rule of law.

    In fact, the PLA, PLAN, PLAAF, other military, paramilitary and police forces are the forces of the communist party, not of the chinese nation. It is the largest private army in the world.

    But back to the topic of the CHINA WUHAN VIRUS na perwisyo sa mundo

China Corona Virus Outbreak