China Corona Virus Outbreak

[glenn_duke]

baka ang thinking niya vaccinated people who get infected can neutralize the virus quickly so not develop symptoms and won't be infectious

if that's the case, unvaccinated asymptomatics shouldn't be infectious but they are

pero mas infectious pa ang symptomatic

Kung ganyan, edi no such thing as herd immunity sa case ng covid-19.
And wala ring silbi ang immunity passport for travellers.

[H1Tman]

For me, better mauna ma-vaccinate mga vulnerables. Pero nangyayari, all vaccines nag trial sa mga healthy age group. Kaya wala sila data for the very young and very old.

But if the only vaccine available is not recommended for seniors and others..onli in da Pilipins.

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Mas maganda payagan na nila private magpasok then ibenta tutal napakabagal ng duterte administration para yun kaya magbayad mabakunahan na then mga indigent mag antay na lang sila ng free vaccines ng gobyerno.

Para mapabilis yun toll out.


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[uls]

For me, better mauna ma-vaccinate mga vulnerables. Pero nangyayari, all vaccines nag trial sa mga healthy age group. Kaya wala sila data for the very young and very old.

kaya nga eh

dapat kung sino mas mataas chance mamatay pag nahawaan sila ung dapat una mabakunahan

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practically invincible mga age 20+ / 30+ na pinoy workforce

mas kailangan bakunahan mga boss nila

[uls]

Kung ganyan, edi no such thing as herd immunity sa case ng covid-19.

but if you can turn covid into the common cold (kahit nagkakahawaan pero di nakakamatay)

things can go back to normal

we don't lock down coz of common cold or even flu

[uls]

to end this whole thing you just have to eliminate the fear

when nobody dies of covid anymore things can go back to normal

who cares how many cases there are kung wala naman namamatay

sa totoo lang a lot of this has to do with the fear-mongering media

[H1Tman]

Ang point yata ni glenn, if vaccines can't prevent transmission, then we need to vaccinate the whole world 100%.

[uls]

we don't swab to look for common cold virus diba?

wala naman worldometer para sa common cold diba?

this isn't gonna f#cking end

ano ba gusto makita ng WHO?

zero covid globally?

matagal pa yan

[uls]

Ang point yata ni glenn, if vaccines can't prevent transmission, then we need to vaccinate the whole world 100%.

ang point ko naman kahit may transmission parin pero wala na namamatay sa covid pwede na declare pandemic over

di kailangan totally prevent transmission

prevent mo lang ung mag severe symptoms that can lead to death

nabubuhay naman tayo nang normal kahit may sipon at trangkaso diba?

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if people expect covid to be totally eradicated like smallpox that's not gonna happen

like measles? like diphtheria? mumps? rubella?

like polio?

good luck

[Flipo]

Can vaccinated people still spread the coronavirus?

1. Does vaccination completely prevent infection?

The short answer is no. You can still get infected after you’ve been vaccinated. But your chances of getting seriously ill are almost zero.

Many people think vaccines work like a shield, blocking a virus from infecting cells altogether. But in most cases, a person who gets vaccinated is protected from disease, not necessarily infection.

Every person’s immune system is a little different, so when a vaccine is 95 per cent effective, that just means 95 per cent of people who receive the vaccine won’t get sick. These people could be completely protected from infection, or they could be getting infected but remain asymptomatic because their immune system eliminates the virus very quickly. The remaining 5 per cent of vaccinated people can become infected and get sick, but are extremely unlikely to be hospitalized.

Vaccination doesn’t 100 per cent prevent you from getting infected, but in all cases it gives your immune system a huge leg up on the coronavirus. Whatever your outcome – whether complete protection from infection or some level of disease – you will be better off after encountering the virus than if you hadn’t been vaccinated.

2. Does infection always mean transmission?

Transmission happens when enough viral particles from an infected person get into the body of an uninfected person. In theory, anyone infected with the coronavirus could potentially transmit it. But a vaccine will reduce the chance of this happening.

In general, if vaccination doesn’t completely prevent infection, it will significantly reduce the amount of virus coming out of your nose and mouth – a process called shedding – and shorten the time that you shed the virus. This is a big deal. A person who sheds less virus is less likely to transmit it to someone else.

This seems to be the case with coronavirus vaccines. In a recent preprint study which has yet to be peer reviewed, Israeli researchers tested 2,897 vaccinated people for signs of coronavirus infection. Most had no detectable virus, but people who were infected had one-quarter the amount of virus in their bodies as unvaccinated people tested at similar times post-infection.

Less coronavirus virus means less chance of spreading it, and if the amount of virus in your body is low enough, the probability of transmitting it may reach almost zero. However, researchers don’t yet know where that cutoff is for the coronavirus, and since the vaccines don’t provide 100% protection from infection, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that people continue to wear masks and social distance even after they’ve been vaccinated.

[ale828]

For me, better mauna ma-vaccinate mga vulnerables. Pero nangyayari, all vaccines nag trial sa mga healthy age group. Kaya wala sila data for the very young and very old.

HCW ang priority, The seniors and those with co-morbidity should be next in line to get the vaccine.
In the US and EU countries i think a lot of seniors are already being vaccinated which is why we get a lot of reports of serious side effects from the vaccine.

Ang point yata ni glenn, if vaccines can't prevent transmission, then we need to vaccinate the whole world 100%.

The vaccines primary purpose is to prevent people from getting severe symptoms and being hospitalized.
Stopping viral transmission is only a part of its purpose not its main objective.
Herd Immunity is the end point. you don't need a 100% of the population vaccinated to get Herd immunity. only 70-80% vaccinated and you will achieve Herd Immunity.

[uls]

2. Does infection always mean transmission?

Transmission happens when enough viral particles from an infected person get into the body of an uninfected person. In theory, anyone infected with the coronavirus could potentially transmit it. But a vaccine will reduce the chance of this happening.

In general, if vaccination doesn’t completely prevent infection, it will significantly reduce the amount of virus coming out of your nose and mouth – a process called shedding – and shorten the time that you shed the virus. This is a big deal. A person who sheds less virus is less likely to transmit it to someone else.

This seems to be the case with coronavirus vaccines. In a recent preprint study which has yet to be peer reviewed, Israeli researchers tested 2,897 vaccinated people for signs of coronavirus infection. Most had no detectable virus, but people who were infected had one-quarter the amount of virus in their bodies as unvaccinated people tested at similar times post-infection.

Less coronavirus virus means less chance of spreading it, and if the amount of virus in your body is low enough, the probability of transmitting it may reach almost zero. However, researchers don’t yet know where that cutoff is for the coronavirus, and since the vaccines don’t provide 100% protection from infection, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that people continue to wear masks and social distance even after they’ve been vaccinated.

[/I]

Yan din alam ko. Kaya taka ako why Dr. Samuel Ang, when asked if ok lang hindi vaccinated ang mga elders, then the rest of the family will be vaccinated. Sagot nya hindi na daw need ma-vaccine elders as long as the rest of the family is vaccinated. E pwede pa din naman carrier ang mga vaccinated, which they can bring home and infect the non-vaccinated members of the family.

baka ang thinking niya vaccinated people who get infected can neutralize the virus quickly so not develop symptoms and won't be infectious

[shadow]

Unahin na nila siguro NCR and other major cities para pwede na mag open at maka move on na economy.

Then saka na i-roll out sa maliliit na municipalities.

Kailangan magkaroon ng focus muna huwag sabog sabog ang roll out.

Kung tingi-tingi kasi para ma follow yun prirotu list ganun pa rina overwhelmed pa rin dahil HCW lang mabakunahan eh pag maraming tao nagkasakit yun mga hinde pa vaccinated wala rin maubusan ng hospital beds.

Kaya madami cases sa NCR dahil dito punthna ng mga mga nag trabaho eh.

Unfair talaga pero wala tayo magagawa since center of commerce eh.

Kung mabakunahan mo 70% ng NCR then meron na herd immunity tapos open na economy then roll out na sa next major cities. Hinde matatapos roll out nito pag ganito gagawin na konti dumadating then ikakalat sa buong pilipinas pa.

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[Flipo]

Unahin na nila siguro NCR and other major cities para pwede na mag open at maka move on na economy.

Then saka na i-roll out sa maliliit na municipalities.

Kailangan magkaroon ng focus muna huwag sabog sabog ang roll out.

Kung tingi-tingi kasi para ma follow yun prirotu list ganun pa rina overwhelmed pa rin dahil HCW lang mabakunahan eh pag maraming tao nagkasakit yun mga hinde pa vaccinated wala rin maubusan ng hospital beds.

Kaya madami cases sa NCR dahil dito punthna ng mga mga nag trabaho eh.

Unfair talaga pero wala tayo magagawa since center of commerce eh.

Kung mabakunahan mo 70% ng NCR then meron na herd immunity tapos open na economy then roll out na sa next major cities. Hinde matatapos roll out nito pag ganito gagawin na konti dumadating then ikakalat sa buong pilipinas pa.

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Actually yan ang recommendation ni dr. Leachon nung dumating yung sinovac at aztraseneca.


Vaccination and Herd Immunity: How does it work?
Hashem Al-Ghaili - Vaccination and Herd Immunity: How does it work? | Facebook

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Actually yan ang recommendation ni dr. Leachon nung dumating yung sinovac at aztraseneca.


Vaccination and Herd Immunity: How does it work?
Hashem Al-Ghaili - Vaccination and Herd Immunity: How does it work? | Facebook

Kasi sabog sabog ngayon eh insignificant numbers nababakunahan, eh NCR ang epicenter, kahit mabakunahan mo HCWs actually short pa rin maghahabol pa rin sa mga ma confine na hinde vaccinated pa. Ganun din mag short sa hospital beds. Buti sana kung fix na alam kung ilan days ma confine para mabilis turnover eh hinde eh. Meron nga mga HCWS wala rin naman ng space sa hospital eh di ganun din.

Kaya concentrate muna sa isang region para matapos na. Kung sigurado dating ng mga vaccines on schdule takaga pwede ginagawa nila ngayon. Wala eh.


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[Deestone]

I talk with a doctor friend of mine at cgh they will be given 2nd dose of sinovac this coming April.... same sentinements she said she would rather buy expensive pfizer or moderna but she have no choice at the moment.

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[dr. d]

I talk with a doctor friend of mine at cgh they will be given 2nd dose of sinovac this coming April.... same sentinements she said she would rather buy expensive pfizer or moderna but she have no choice at the moment.

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unless there's something else we are not privy to,
of course she has a choice!
we all have a choice.
she can easily say, "no thanks. i'll wait for pfizer."

[shadow]

*uls ilan percent efficacy ng sinovac?


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[shadow]

Naku nabasa ko eventually dapat daw 3 doses na yun mga 2 doses vaccines ngayon then yun J&J magigign 2 shots.


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[boybi]

*uls ilan percent efficacy ng sinovac?


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50.4% sa trial dati sa Brazil, but these were all HCWs, kaya sobra baba since mas malaki chance nila mahawa. 80+% when they trialed on the general populace.

As high as 90+% sa trial sa Turkey.