Remote bypass oil filtration

[tuazon7]

Yes you could that's if you can find one there for that vehicle. You got to remember these are small displacement engines they are not 6 liter V8 turbo diesels, 12000kms is only 8000 miles. When you double the efficiency and dirt holding capacity of the filter which you will by switching a Baldwin then 12000kms is not a long run on full synthetic group IV oil.

It also carries the Cummins CES 20078 / 20077 / 20076 rating which is for extended drain intervals of 12000 miles/ 18000kms.

When you see that Cummins rating your good to go with extended oil change intervals. Due to the fuel quality in the Philippines I would keep it at 12000kms for a good safe oil change interval. This 5000kms is just madness and based on oil change intervals that are outdated on vehicles like that because oil have change a lot since the early 90's.

The Cummins rating will also almost have a TBN of 12 or more. Mobil TDT only has a 10.7 plus it's viscosity at 40C and 100C are clearly inferior and also don't meet Cummins standards.

Mobil MX
SAE Grade 15W-40
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt * 40ºC 123
cSt * 100ºC 15.6
CCS, cP, ASTM D 5293 6000 * -20ºC
MRV, cP, ASTM D 4684 29,000 * -25°C
HTHS * 150ºC, cP, ASTM D4683 4.3
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 133
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.3
Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 12
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -30
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 230
Density * 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.879


Mobil TDT
SAE Grade 5W-40
Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
* 40ºC 97.9
* 100ºC 14.5
Viscosity Index 153
Phosporous (ASTM D4951) 0.11
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s * 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.8
Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.95
Total Base #, mg KOH/g (ASTM D2896) 10.7
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 215
Density * 15.6ºC g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.85

Anything with the Cummins rating feel free to use up to 12000kms, if you want to go further just do a oil analysis and it will tell you how much further you could go.

this is really nice doc! do younhave the same data for the RP 15W-40?

[dvldoc]

For some reason they pulled thier msds sheets from the site, Even the link is dead. http://www.royalpurple.com/prod-pdfs/motor-oil-ps.pdf

Sorry I don't know how to post these in proper format.

40 DD 10W30D 15W40**
CF-2 CH-4/SJ CH-4/SJ
CI-4/SL CI-4/SL
D-445 Viscosity
cSt * 40°C 138.9 67.3 110.1
cSt * 100°C 15.0 10.9 14.9
SSU *100°F 725 344 567
SSU * 210°F 100 62 79
D-2270 Viscosity Index 108 144 140
D-92 Flash Point °F 460 400 435
D-92 Fire Point °F 510 450 470
D-97 Pour Point °F -40 -56 -44
D-2896 Total Base No. 7.5 10.0 10.5
D-874 Sulfate Ash % 0.72 — —
D-4951 Zinc, ppm 812 — —
0W40**** 5W20** 5W30** 5W40**** 10W30** 10W40 15W40*** 20W50
SM/CF SL SL SM/CF SL CG-4, CH-4 CG-4, CH-4 CF/SJ ASTM TESTS CI-4/SL CI-4/SL
D-445 Viscosity
cSt * 40°C 79.9 49.5 65.3 93.7 70.3 94.0 110.1 170.0
cSt * 100°C 14.3 8.7 11.0 15.7 10.8 14.0 15.3 20.2
SSU *100°F 395 253 332 476 360 482 567 880
SSU * 210°F 74 56 64 82 63 75 79 102
D-2270 Viscosity Index 182 156 157 179 140 148 140 138
D-4684 Pumping Viscosities
cP * -40°C 20,000 — — — — — — —
cP * -35°C — 22,200 34,800 21,500 — — — —
cP * -30°C — — — — 18,200 14,900 — —
cP * -25°C — — — — — — 15,200 —
cP * -20°C — — — — — — — 18,800
D-92 Flash Point °F 465 455 440 425 430 400 450 435
D-92 Fire Point °F 495 480 480 470 480 435 470 470
D-2896 Total Base No. 11 12 12 11 12 12.0 10.5 10.5
GASOLINE ENGINES — Typical Properties*
30 40 50
ASTM TESTS CF,CF-2/SJ CF,CF-2/SJ CF,CF-2/SJ
D-445 Viscosity
cSt * 40°C 79.0 121.0 182.0
cSt * 100°C 10.6 14.2 18.6
SSU *100°F 408 631 955
SSU * 210°F 63 74 92
D-2270 Viscosity Index 119 113 113
D-92 Flash Point °F 460 460 460
D-92 Fire Point °F 515 515 515
D-2896 Total Base No. 10.5 10.5 10.5

[tuazon7]

For some reason they pulled thier msds sheets from the site, Even the link is dead. http://www.royalpurple.com/prod-pdfs/motor-oil-ps.pdf

Sorry I don't know how to post these in proper format.

40 DD 10W30D 15W40**
CF-2 CH-4/SJ CH-4/SJ
CI-4/SL CI-4/SL
D-445 Viscosity
cSt * 40°C 138.9 67.3 110.1
cSt * 100°C 15.0 10.9 14.9
SSU *100°F 725 344 567
SSU * 210°F 100 62 79
D-2270 Viscosity Index 108 144 140
D-92 Flash Point °F 460 400 435
D-92 Fire Point °F 510 450 470
D-97 Pour Point °F -40 -56 -44
D-2896 Total Base No. 7.5 10.0 10.5
D-874 Sulfate Ash % 0.72 — —
D-4951 Zinc, ppm 812 — —
0W40**** 5W20** 5W30** 5W40**** 10W30** 10W40 15W40*** 20W50
SM/CF SL SL SM/CF SL CG-4, CH-4 CG-4, CH-4 CF/SJ ASTM TESTS CI-4/SL CI-4/SL
D-445 Viscosity
cSt * 40°C 79.9 49.5 65.3 93.7 70.3 94.0 110.1 170.0
cSt * 100°C 14.3 8.7 11.0 15.7 10.8 14.0 15.3 20.2
SSU *100°F 395 253 332 476 360 482 567 880
SSU * 210°F 74 56 64 82 63 75 79 102
D-2270 Viscosity Index 182 156 157 179 140 148 140 138
D-4684 Pumping Viscosities
cP * -40°C 20,000 — — — — — — —
cP * -35°C — 22,200 34,800 21,500 — — — —
cP * -30°C — — — — 18,200 14,900 — —
cP * -25°C — — — — — — 15,200 —
cP * -20°C — — — — — — — 18,800
D-92 Flash Point °F 465 455 440 425 430 400 450 435
D-92 Fire Point °F 495 480 480 470 480 435 470 470
D-2896 Total Base No. 11 12 12 11 12 12.0 10.5 10.5
GASOLINE ENGINES — Typical Properties*
30 40 50
ASTM TESTS CF,CF-2/SJ CF,CF-2/SJ CF,CF-2/SJ
D-445 Viscosity
cSt * 40°C 79.0 121.0 182.0
cSt * 100°C 10.6 14.2 18.6
SSU *100°F 408 631 955
SSU * 210°F 63 74 92
D-2270 Viscosity Index 119 113 113
D-92 Flash Point °F 460 460 460
D-92 Fire Point °F 515 515 515
D-2896 Total Base No. 10.5 10.5 10.5

thanks doc! with these values, seems that Mobil MX is better than RP 15W-40. but the bearing test showed otherwise. For 4D56 Tubo-Intercooled CrDI, is it just okay to have 15k OCI if using RP 15W-40/LF3564?

[dvldoc]

thanks doc! with these values, seems that Mobil MX is better than RP 15W-40. but the bearing test showed otherwise. For 4D56 Tubo-Intercooled CrDI, is it just okay to have 15k OCI if using RP 15W-40/LF3564?

If you really want to find out instead of guessing do a oil analysis at 12000klm.

[tuazon7]

If you really want to find out instead of guessing do a oil analysis at 12000klm.

Thanks doc and for all the other inputs!

[timo07]

If you really want to find out instead of guessing do a oil analysis at 12000klm.

dvldoc, what are the parameters to be looked at?

[miko101130]

dvldoc, what are the parameters to be looked at?

Bro, basically pag nag pa oil analysis ang tinitignan is Elemental wear analysis, yung mga iron,lead,copper,silicon,chromium etc, na nasa oil mong ginamit, para malaman ang wear sa engine, pero it needs to be done in pattern, kung isang beses lang oil analysis hindi kasi conclusive unless na several times at regular interval ang analysis para meh mag emerge na pattern...

tapos yung TBN (total base number), kung ilan pa natitira na TBN to fight the acidity
then kung gusto mo pwede din yung (TAN) total acid number naman,

Then lastly yung mga fuel count at soot count at coolant count on the oil...

[miko101130]

the gains from the bearing wear test claimed by RP doesn't equate to the amount of price difference on similar quality oil products...
unless you are extremely using your vehicle for maximum towing and maximum HP on drag racing...

[Ry_Tower]

the gains from the bearing wear test claimed by RP doesn't equate to the amount of price difference on similar quality oil products...
unless you are extremely using your vehicle for maximum towing and maximum HP on drag racing...

As long as you're not low on engine oil, metal to metal contact won't happen. So the problem is not the oil but the quantity.

[miko101130]

Ry_Tower, gamit ko sa everest namin sa palawan Delo Gold 15w40... partner sa B2 baldwin filter... dito kasi malaman kung anung oil ang meh ibubuga... sa macarascas toh...

almost 2,000 KGS yung load sa trailer... ordinary oil won't be able to take the punishment,.!! hehehe...

[Ry_Tower]

^ haha, pang-hauling lang everest ah. Sa Macarascas pa.

[vhronx]

*DVLDOC, I am currently using TOP 1 SDO 15W-40, OEM Oil filter for my Mitsubishi Strada GLS (change oil every 5k). There is another product of TOP 1 which is the TOP 1 HD Plus 10W-30 Diesel (CRDi). The price difference is about P15. I need your opinion. Will using it make the engine better?

[Retz]

7. Do API CJ-4 oils protect older engines if they are operated on 500 ppm maximum sulfur fuel?
Yes, API CJ-4 oils are designed to have performance benefits over API CI-4 and API CI-4 PLUS oils when using both 15 ppm and 500 ppm sulfur fuel, and qualification testing is conducted using both fuels. As a reminder, 2007 on-highway engines with advanced emissions systems must use ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel containing 15-ppm sulfur or less. In cases where older engines/vehicles are operated with 500 ppm sulfur fuel, API CJ-4 is designed to protect the engine better than API CI-4 and API CI-4 PLUS. As always, users should seek guidance from their engine or vehicle manufacturer regarding specific service recommendations.

Source: CJ-4 Service Category Description

[miked]

7. Do API CJ-4 oils protect older engines if they are operated on 500 ppm maximum sulfur fuel?
Yes, API CJ-4 oils are designed to have performance benefits over API CI-4 and API CI-4 PLUS oils when using both 15 ppm and 500 ppm sulfur fuel, and qualification testing is conducted using both fuels. As a reminder, 2007 on-highway engines with advanced emissions systems must use ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel containing 15-ppm sulfur or less. In cases where older engines/vehicles are operated with 500 ppm sulfur fuel, API CJ-4 is designed to protect the engine better than API CI-4 and API CI-4 PLUS. As always, users should seek guidance from their engine or vehicle manufacturer regarding specific service recommendations.

Source: CJ-4 Service Category Description

kaso >500 ppm sulfur ang diesel fuel dito sa pinas kaya API CI4 ka na lang.

[Retz]

double post...

[Retz]

^

thank you sir. ano ba main advantage ng CI-4 plus compared sa CI-4? ano ba dinagdag sa 'plus' ng CI-4?

[miko101130]

What's the difference?

How is CI-4 PLUS different from CI-4? Here are the highlights:

Test data used to set the CI-4 PLUS standard comes from a single OEM — Mack Trucks and its T-11 engine test — rather than a program developed and sponsored by the industry as a whole.

The key additional benchmarks for CI-4 PLUS are a thickening test, i.e., how much soot the oil can handle before turning into sludge; and a shear-stability test that now runs for 90 cycles, rather than the 30 cycles required by CI-4 standard.

CI-4 PLUS is designed to deal with a certain set of conditions. “The only way to truly know if you need this oil is to analyze the oil. The oil analysis process is the only way you'll get — with 100% certainty — the information you need to make that decision.”

CI-4 PLUS is only going to benefit a limited percentage of the market, which is why fleets need to decide for themselves whether or not they need it.

CI-4 plus was put into action because the different large engine and truck manufacturers have different needs and requirements for lubrication, the truck and engine industry were becoming expensive for them to test and certify their oils individually so they set up a meeting and came up with a category specifically made for the heavy duty engine and trucking industry...

usually an oil spec will need 3 years to become the standard, but CI-4 plus was put into effect after only 12 months because most of the test was already pre-conducted by the engine company MACK EO....

basically CI-4 plus was made to conform to the lubrication needed by the trucking industry in terms of soot handling and shear stability.... because of the new emissions imposed, the EGR and other emission control put a new requirements for lubrication on the design of the engines used by the heavy trucking industry...

sir Retz, from what i have read over the internet, CI-4 plus is designed and developed by engine makers for trucks and heavy equipment that solves their own lubrication requirements...

[Retz]

^

Thanks for the info sir. So hindi pala applicable sa atin mga passenger vehicles ang CI-4 Plus. Pati na rin ang CJ-4 which is below 500ppm dapat ang sulfur content ng fuel. So CI-4 lang talaga and mga earlier API rating na CH-4 upto CF.

[Ry_Tower]

^ But CI-4 Plus can be used in passenger vehicles esp if you want extended oil intervals. Mas bagay siya for that. Basta better pa rin CI-4 plus kesa sa CI-4 lang but kung costly naman kasi yung napiling mong oil, maybe hindi na nga dapat. Puwede na CI-4 na lang.

[miko101130]

^ But CI-4 Plus can be used in passenger vehicles esp if you want extended oil intervals. Mas bagay siya for that. Basta better pa rin CI-4 plus kesa sa CI-4 lang but kung costly naman kasi yung napiling mong oil, maybe hindi na nga dapat. Puwede na CI-4 na lang.

ang bilis kasi na over shadow ang CI-4 plus nang CJ-4....

minadali kasi yung Oil category na toh for the fast changing emission regulations which the engine manufacturers can't cope with.... it was designed in parallel during the development of many engines, so nung natapos design nung mga engines, the oil category is now late for emission standards...

CI-4 plus is definitely created and intended to extend oil change and improve soot handling on engines requiring that specification.