E10 Ethanol, bad for your engine & economy? [MERGED]

**LynxMan** · July 23rd, 2006 06:47 PM

this is the way of the future....the president for once is doing something good for our country and most importantly the environment. i hope this initiative moves on and supported by the big oil players and hope it will pave eventually for cheaper alternatives to fossil fuels and then hybrid cars and then eventually a cleaner world for our children and grandchildren....

**ghosthunter** · July 23rd, 2006 10:52 PM

Ethanol is not cheaper than gasoline. The only advantage of using ethanol as fuel is it can be locally produced. The problem with locally produced ethanol is the cost to produce a liter is more than gasoline so the government ends up subsidizing the production and distribution costs.

For the near and medium term future, our transport fuel needs might be solved by using LPG.

**LynxMan** · July 24th, 2006 12:51 AM

as long as the government finds the money to subsidise or fund the ethanol (and other future alterna-fuels) and like you said it can be produce locally then in the long term it will benefit filipinos as we will no longer depend much on foreign fuels. but it would be good if we have more choices like hybrid/electric cars,etc.

**ghosthunter** · July 24th, 2006 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by LynxMan

as long as the government finds the money to subsidise or fund the ethanol (and other future alterna-fuels) and like you said it can be produce locally then in the long term it will benefit filipinos as we will no longer depend much on foreign fuels. but it would be good if we have more choices like hybrid/electric cars,etc.

Where do you think that government money gets it's funding from? It cannot do it perpetually without the people still paying for it in the end as more taxes. Government money doesn't grow on trees, you know.

**LynxMan** · July 24th, 2006 05:00 PM

the reason why the governement doesn't have enough money is because you know what.that is why investors are afarid of investing in our country because of our dishonesty as regards money and the bureaucratic red tape. not enough money...not enough initiatives going to these humble and clean plans.

**ghosthunter** · July 24th, 2006 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by LynxMan

the reason why the governement doesn't have enough money is because you know what.that is why investors are afarid of investing in our country because of our dishonesty as regards money and the bureaucratic red tape. not enough money...not enough initiatives going to these humble and clean plans.

Its not a matter of investors. Even in developed countries, the only reason why a country would switch to ethanol is saving foreign currency reserves. For the ordinary motorist, it doesn't save them anything.

**LynxMan** · July 24th, 2006 05:54 PM

i think it all boils down to our politicians and leaders on how they manage our economy. marami kasing dishonest and corrupt kaya lahat ng mga magagandang plans tulad nito ay nababale-wala. no wonder progress is very slow in our country.....

**ghosthunter** · July 24th, 2006 06:06 PM

The honest pinoy politician is the exception than the rule, sad to say... corruption is already part of the system of government. An honest politician will not stay honest for very long.

**LynxMan** · July 24th, 2006 06:30 PM

you know ang ganda sana...if only we change the system of governemnet so it will be easier for us to get projects like these rolling smoothly and orderly. i know it boils down to the people running the country but just look at singapore, malaysia, vietnam, thailand. i guess i rest my case then.

**orly_andico** · August 4th, 2006 03:36 AM

here's a list of ethanol (E5 and E10) compatible cars. with E10 costing 36.xx per liter, it's actually worth it!

http://www.fcai.com.au/ethanol.php/2.../00000005.html

buti pa yung mga mitsu, all fuel-injected models post-1986 are compatible.. but if you have a porsche or audi (or some much more lowbrow cars..) di pwede ang E10.