E10 Ethanol, bad for your engine & economy? [MERGED]

[dadz]

I dont think na aalis nila ang plain unleaded e diyan pa sa tin na gahaman ang malalaking comapany alam nila na marami pag auto na hindi pwede and E10 at kikita pa sila nag malaki sa palin unleaded same dito me 91 at 95 na plain plus me E10 at E20 hehehehehehehe dont worry bro sigurado na hindi nila totaly tatangalin yan mga yan.

[coiter]

*TS, baka sa area niyo lang walang unleaded

kawawa naman kami hehehe. di naman kami high end area na lahat naka bagong sasakyan na E10 compliant na....or baka kami na lang nga ang hindi pa. twilight zone hehe

anyway, sige, verify ko uli baka nga hindi kami nagkaintindihan ng mga gas boy kasi di rin ako makapaniwala.

[paolorenzo]

Naka receive na kami ng memo that Petron will phase out Xtra Unleaded. It will be replaced with "Xtra Premium E10". Sabi sa memo effective February daw, pero obviously hindi pa nangyayari. Parati nga ubos ang E10 sa Petron Pasig Blvd eh. Pero it'll probably happen soon.

Forwarded ng HR namin yung memo. Our company issues us Petron Fleet Card.

[tidus1203]

I am fine with that since all our gasoline powered cars are E10 compatible. In fact since last years run up in prices and even now that prices have dived I still use E10 and I have no problems with it at all, but pano yung mga tao with cars that are not E10 compatible? Will they be forced to buy newer cars that are E10 compatible?

[ghosthunter]

but pano yung mga tao with cars that are not E10 compatible? Will they be forced to buy newer cars that are E10 compatible?

Maybe they can convert them to run on LPG?

[coiter]

Naka receive na kami ng memo that Petron will phase out Xtra Unleaded. It will be replaced with "Xtra Premium E10". Sabi sa memo effective February daw, pero obviously hindi pa nangyayari. Parati nga ubos ang E10 sa Petron Pasig Blvd eh. Pero it'll probably happen soon.

Forwarded ng HR namin yung memo. Our company issues us Petron Fleet Card.

ngek. so there may be truth in what the gas boys said. patay kaming hindi e10 compliant kung within the year agad ang phasing out. sana naman hindi.

[tidus1203]

Maybe they can convert them to run on LPG?

Pwede rin... Pero LPG conversion is expensive and we assume people still using old cars are not that moneyed...

[jeDi13]

ngek. so there may be truth in what the gas boys said. patay kaming hindi e10 compliant kung within the year agad ang phasing out. sana naman hindi.

paktay. that explains it. at isa ang suking gas station sa inyo ang mapalad na mag-pphase out ng unleaded..

mukhang dapat yung unit niyong non-E10 compliant ang kailangang laspagin este, gamitin nang gamitin para masulit na habang may available unleaded pa sa ibang gas stations.

[dejakenth]

When I gassed up sa Caltex EDSA cor. Connecticut, ganun din sinabi ng gasoline boy nila when I asked for Techron Silver, sabi nile e10, Gold at Diesel na lang meron nila, phase out na daw Silver nila.

Sa may Caltex Ortigas Ave cor McKinley Road, near Unimart in Greenhills, may Silver pa but nabanggit din ng gasoline boy na papalitan yata ng e10 eventually.

Mukhang mapipilitan mga non-e10 compliant cars to move up and load up with Petron XCS, Shell VPower and Caltex Gold or equivalent products from the other players. (Or di ba pwede ito? sori medyo newb pa din).

[Gen. Miting]

Pwede rin... Pero LPG conversion is expensive and we assume people still using old cars are not that moneyed...

oo nga bakit nga baligtad ngaun, ang mahal ng LPG. parang P23 ba sabi nun bayaw ko na nag-taxi biz

mas mura pa diesel. kawawa naman yun mga nagpa-convert ng LPG last year na tig 30K. nabawi ba nila yun conversion cost. and also, pano na resale value ng tsikot nila ngaun kung nagalaw ang makina bec. of LPG. baka least priority sila

talagang naniniwala ako sa universal karma. hirap tayo noon, ngaun hirap naman sila. doble-kara pa kasi pati car nila hindi na original.

[tidus1203]

I guess the Accent taxis are all smiles now against their Corolla and Vios counterparts...

[paolorenzo]

talagang naniniwala ako sa universal karma. hirap tayo noon, ngaun hirap naman sila. doble-kara pa kasi pati car nila hindi na original.

OT: bakit parang galit na galit ka sa aming LPG converts General? Wala naman po kami sigurong nagawa na dapat kaming ma-karma?

Nag-convert ako nung mga P40 pa lang gas nuon, and 10months ang dapat na ROI. Nung nag P55 ang gas, nabawi ko na ang installation in only 5 months. Kung magpapa-convert ng LPG, kailangan tanggapin na modified na oto, at baka bumaba ang resale. Ngayon, P19.50 ang LPG, P30.00 ang gas, mga 33% savings pa rin, so tuloy ang pagtitipid. No point comparing LPG with diesel, kasi hindi naman namin puwede ikarga diesel sa tank namin...

Going back to topic, I think strategy ng gas companies ang pag-halo ng 10% ethanol (E10) sa basic unleaded nila, to increase profit. I don't think they will lower the price significantly, compared to the savings it will bring them because of cheaper ethanol.

[smewth]

question...2E engine ko which is 1.3 carb...confirm ko lang na compatible sa carb ang xcs ng petron / premium unleaded ng shell / and gold ng caltex tama?ok naman sa carb yung mataas na octane?

[Belisarius]

question...2E engine ko which is 1.3 carb...confirm ko lang na compatible sa carb ang xcs ng petron / premium unleaded ng shell / and gold ng caltex tama?ok naman sa carb yung mataas na octane?

Mine is also a 2E engine, been using E10 since they started selling it, adjusted the air fuel mixture to more fuel by half a screw turn, and cleaning the air filter more often, replaced the fuel fiter after 2 oil changes its ok to run, combined city highway still at 10 to 9 kpl-- FYI

[CVT]

If this will be true for the big3, then I need to go up one level for my petrol,- XCS, Premium or Gold....

7606:mobile1:

[Gen. Miting]

If this will be true for the big3, then I need to go up one level for my petrol,- XCS, Premium or Gold....

7606:mobile1:

actually that's the idea. for those unsure of the effects of what E10 might bring to their car, the safest choice is to buy the more expensive gasoline.

galing ng strategy no

[CVT]

Yup,- product elimination and positioning strategy, looks like it.....

7606:mobile1:

[Walter]

talagang naniniwala ako sa universal karma. hirap tayo noon, ngaun hirap naman sila. doble-kara pa kasi pati car nila hindi na original.

What does karma have to do with it?

[ghosthunter]

This will be a disaster in the making. The "clean-air" law is going to give the petroleum companies bigger incomes due to the government subsidy in the E10 and bio-diesel blended fuels. We shouldn't overlook the fact that the price for E10 is cheaper only because of the government subsidy, otherwise it should be slightly more expensive than regular gasoline and diesel fuel.

If the government is serious about getting the air clean, it should fast track the phase out of two-stroke scooters and motorcycles. In it's place, it can promote plug-in electric scooters which are relatively cheap in China.

[coiter]

update ko lang.

since we learned that the Shell stations near our place do not sell non-E10 unleaded any more, we shifted to Seaoil. just today, my wife asked the gasboy at Seaoil if they plan to phase out premium unleaded. ang sabi sa kanya, matagal na daw sila nagphase out nun! mga 2 months na silang E10 unleaded! so the past 2-3 fillups we had at Seaoil ay E10 na! di lang daw nila na update yung signages nila. for 2 months??

anyway, kaya pala since nagshift kami to Seaoil, hirap sa cold starting ang carbed car namin. before, one click lang. ngayon mga 4-5 tries na. same thing happens kung matagal na babad sa init yung car. di agad nagsstart.

my theory is, the fact is ethanol dries up faster than gasoline. so the reserve gas sa "tasa" ng carb e natutuyo agad so it takes more time for the fuel pump to sip gas from the tank and start the engine. correct me if i'm wrong though.

anyway, so far yun palang ang napapansin kong problem. not sure about the long term effects and i haven't checked the fuel filter kung nabara ng dumi na nilinis ng ethanol. hopefully walang magiging problem or di tirikan wife ko. i'll have the car checked sa weekend to be sure na rin.