E10 Ethanol, bad for your engine & economy? [MERGED]

[innova2006]

yup. pa gas ako dyan kahapon. whereas, before wala silang E10.
same with Petron Alabang-Zapote Road.

Is there any problem using E10 to innova units kasi ako rin di nagpakarga ng E10 kanina bale nag shift ako sa shell

[jmpet626]

Ok sa innova ang E10.. Di naman ganun kalaki ang ibaba sa FC pag nag switch ka to E10

[number001]

Why are they forcing people to use E10? Taking out the Xtra Unleaded is just a scheme to force people to get E10 or go for the pricier XCS.

[actor21]

Naku patay na..papano na ang Petron Extra Unleaded Challenge? hehehe
seriously speaking Xtra Unleaded din kinakarga ko kase plus 40kms sa full tank ko
compare sa e10 or ibang unleaded

[claRkEnt]

Why are they forcing people to use E10? Taking out the Xtra Unleaded is just a scheme to force people to get E10 or go for the pricier XCS.

exactly. my female officemate ay napilitan to load XCS kasi wala na nga raw Xtra. di yata ubra E10 sa 97 models and older. tama ba?

[Sarsi]

exactly. my female officemate ay napilitan to load XCS kasi wala na nga raw Xtra. di yata ubra E10 sa 97 models and older. tama ba?

ang alam ko, hindi lang siya nire recommend sa mga carb engines.

[shadow]

IMO, ginagago lang talaga tayo ng mga oil company, kaya I'm not thankful kung binababa nila yun price nila...

before when they were intruducing E10 ang sinasabi nila is for the environment kuno, an alternative for the regulatr unleaded, and it's P2-P3 cheapen then, siguro napansin nila na super dami gumamit, now before pulling out their regular unleaded, eh yun price ng E10 eh dinikit na sa price ng regular unleaded difference na lang ng P.10 -P.20

before nun super taas ng price ng gas pati mga taxi kahit na carburator E10 ang pinapakarga...

[emerson_rabe]

kasi kanina nagpagas ako sa petron edsa cubao katabi ng shell... Then ang lagi kong pinapakarga is "EXTRA UNLEADED" nagulat na lang ako nung sabi nung gasoline boy that since monday daw lahat ng petron wala ng 'EXTRA UNLEADED" lahat daw pinalitan na ng "E10 EXTRA UNLEADED".. nagdalawang isip ako magpagas, so todo tanong ako doon sa gasoline boy..

THe only thing na sinabi nya is "parehas lang po ung EXTRA UNLEADED AND E10 EXTRA UNLEADED wala naman daw nabago sa octane or anything the only difference daw is ung E10 is composed of 10% bioethanol which is prescribed my mechanics sa mga fuel injection engine...

Comment about this.. Natatakot kasi ako baka magloko or masira (knock on the wood) in makina ng kotse...

thanks!

[Altis6453]

You didn't mention what make and model your ride is. I think most car manufacturers have made their cars E10-compatible esp. those models ranging from 2006 above. If you have any doubts, just look at your car manual or call the distributor to confirm.

[emerson_rabe]

hyundai getz 1.1 2008 model po ride ko...

[badbadtz.carlo]

Why are they forcing people to use E10? Taking out the Xtra Unleaded is just a scheme to force people to get E10 or go for the pricier XCS.

this is just in compliance with the Philippine biofuels act signed about 2 years ago which would force all gasoline companies to have 5%mixture on their gas products. eventually lahat ng gasoline types magkaka ethanol components. 4 years if im not mistaken ang implementation phase, kaya meron pa tayo 2 years.. hehe.. tapos ng 4 years, 10% na requirement, hence E10 na tayo by 2011.

[rfgoons]

hyundai getz 1.1 2008 model po ride ko...

Then you have no problem E10 compatible car mo

[claRkEnt]

and search first...there's an existing thread on this topic.

[emerson_rabe]

yes sir, may existing topic na po about this problem.. but iba po ung situation ko sa situation nya. anyway sir thanks then coz it helps...

cheer up!

[Mile2]

kung ayaw mo ng E10 go to Total stations they have pure unleaded.

Mura sa EDSA boni ang unleaded ng Total

[emerson_rabe]

im not using other brand of gasoline... only petron.. ever since na lumabs ung kotse sa casa...

[Mile2]

doubled post

[Mile2]

Then use Petron E10.

[duskylim]

Dear emerson rabe:

An e10 gasoline is any gasoline with 10% ethanol (ethyl alcohol C2H50H) by volume blended in. The ethanol is used as an octane booster and oxygenator (a material that adds oxygen chemically to a fuel).

Gasolines (you must understand there are many blends) from the mid-to-late 1980s to the present used MTBE (methyl-tertiary butyl ether) as the octane enhancer and oxygenate.

Octane is a form of gasoline with a ring of 8 carbon atoms (hence the name octane). It is also very knock-resistant.

Gasolines with additives included to enhance their knock-resistance are compared on a scale called the Octane Rating.

From the 1930's and 1940's up to the 1980's an organo-metallic compound called tetra-ethyl lead (TEL) was the used to boost the octane rating of gasolines. It is still the cheapest way to enhance octane.

One of the drawbacks of tetra-ethyl and tetra-methyl lead is that they are very toxic and dangerous so their replacement was mandated early on. By the mid-1980's in Europe and the USA it was gone as a gasoline additive.

Here in the Philippines this took until 2000 or so to replace the TEL in the gasoline. We did not really have true unleaded gas, just low-lead. He he he.

MTBE was the chemical of choice as its (the TEL) replacement.

Unfortunately although much safer than TEL, MTBE is still somewhat toxic and unhealthy. So later it too was banned.

Which brings us now to E10. Ethanol has many good properties as an additive:

a) It has excellent anti-knock properties and is,

b) non-toxic, many of us drink it recreationally (guilty!).

c) It can be produced locally from a variety of sources (like sugarcane and molasses) and thus its use would help boost the local economy by requiring large volumes to be produced as an automotive fuel additive.

d) Its use reduces our need to import oil and saves our foreign currency reserves.

e) It burns cleaner and cooler than straight gasoline with a non-luminous flame.

f) Blended in quantities up to 10%, extensive tests by the US Department of Energy, the EPA and US gov't have shown it to have no adverse effects on a cars fuel system or its performance. Check this on the DOE website.

It also has its drawbacks however:

a) it is hygroscopic - it absorbs water from the atmosphere and tends to separate from the gasoline (this takes place over time so that it eventually forms a separate layer in your tank if not consumed quickly).

b) it has less energy in it than gasoline (only about 70-75%) thus you need more of it for the same power.

c) certain large local landowners and their political allies mandated by law its use so that they will profit from the demand.

d) it production and manufacture may take away agricultural land that is presently being used to grow food for people, lowering our food production and making food more expensive for everyone, particularly the poor.

e) used in larger volumes than 10%, ethanol MAY be incompatible with certain fuel systems and their plumbing.

Hope this helps,

Best Regards,

Dusky Lim

[nplazaro]

It is our congress and senate that came out with the law requiring oil companies to sell gasolines with biofuel components such as ethanol. Eventually, all gasolines sold in the country whether from Petron, Shell or Caltex will have ethanol.

E10 is not recommended for vehicles with carburetors.