Welcome to all owners of Toyota Fortuner [ARCHIVED]

[vicoyski]

Just a question. Has anyone of the Fortuner owner here has bought his Fortuner by Cash not in any kind of Financing? My dad was being offered a 2.5D Fortuner kasi but he doesn't wanna take the financing and just wanna pay cash. Someone told him na all Fortuner owners got theirs thru Financing daw.

You'll have to qualify your question. When you say financing, is it In-House, Banks, Lending institutions or Cooperatives?

My unit is financed through a loan I got from our savings and loan association. They paid the dealer in cash, while I pay them a monthly amortization . I don't like paying in cash. I believe I can invest my money and get a good return to make up for the interest of my loan.

I didn't get anything In-House because of the outrageous interest rates they charge.

If your reason for asking is to find out how I got my unit early... Like I said in an earlier post, I gave the dealership hell. They knew that I had sold my other ride on the premise that my unit would arrive as they promised. Inaway ko sila 'coz they made me suffer for a month of having no ride. I'd say they gave me my unit, not because naawa sila, but because nakulitan na sila...

[EL Chicane]

Just a question. Has anyone of the Fortuner owner here has bought his Fortuner by Cash not in any kind of Financing? My dad was being offered a 2.5D Fortuner kasi but he doesn't wanna take the financing and just wanna pay cash. Someone told him na all Fortuner owners got theirs thru Financing daw.

Yup, installment lahat ang bilihan sa Fortuner... for the next 2 years. And don't give any downpayment, gagamitin lang nila yung pera mo tapos you will be forced to withdraw it later dahil hindi ka mabibigyan ng unit.

Yun ngang vehicle sales report ng Toyota na na-publish sa Inquirer, walang nabanggit about Fortuner sales..... iwas silang mahalukay yung illegal scheme nila.

[apexi_66]

Yup, installment lahat ang bilihan sa Fortuner... for the next 2 years. And don't give any downpayment, gagamitin lang nila yung pera mo tapos you will be forced to withdraw it later dahil hindi ka mabibigyan ng unit.

Yun ngang vehicle sales report ng Toyota na na-publish sa Inquirer, walang nabanggit about Fortuner sales..... iwas silang mahalukay yung illegal scheme nila.

Vicosky said:Actually, there are plenty of D-4D Fortuner owners already. 400 Fortuner units are shipped monthly from Thailand since May 2005. Around 80% of the units are Diesel. That would mean over 2000 D-4D Fortuners nationwide as of November 2005. That's a statistically significant sample size. Problems should have already cropped-up by now... What is not know is how many of these D-4D units are the 2.5G variant.

If this is true, saan naman napunta itong 2000 unit na sabi ni Vicosky Fortuner nationwide na. Let's say na 1.3M na lang ang isa ng Fortuner, that's 2.6Billion pesos ha! Ang laking sales non ha para di publish ng Toyota. Di kaya iwas sa tax ang Toyota o yong figure ni kaibigan Vicosky na 2000 units of Fortuner is just a hoax? Nagtatanong lang po

[Monseratto]

Yup, installment lahat ang bilihan sa Fortuner... for the next 2 years. And don't give any downpayment, gagamitin lang nila yung pera mo tapos you will be forced to withdraw it later dahil hindi ka mabibigyan ng unit.

Yun ngang vehicle sales report ng Toyota na na-publish sa Inquirer, walang nabanggit about Fortuner sales..... iwas silang mahalukay yung illegal scheme nila.

I bought on purely cash basis (1.48m) and got my ride in two weeks, but with overpriced IHI (59k), a stupid AVT-brand DVD system (50K) and Kel Seat semi-leather (45K).
I was also forced to get it cuz I sold my '03 RAV4 2 weeks before. But ever since the 2 price increases, I don't regret being suckered by them cuz its like getting the items for free at the current price.

[EL Chicane]

Vicosky said:Actually, there are plenty of D-4D Fortuner owners already. 400 Fortuner units are shipped monthly from Thailand since May 2005. Around 80% of the units are Diesel. That would mean over 2000 D-4D Fortuners nationwide as of November 2005. That's a statistically significant sample size. Problems should have already cropped-up by now... What is not know is how many of these D-4D units are the 2.5G variant.

If this is true, saan naman napunta itong 2000 unit na sabi ni Vicosky Fortuner nationwide na. Let's say na 1.3M na lang ang isa ng Fortuner, that's 2.6Billion pesos ha! Ang laking sales non ha para di publish ng Toyota. Di kaya iwas sa tax ang Toyota o yong figure ni kaibigan Vicosky na 2000 units of Fortuner is just a hoax? Nagtatanong lang po

What I'm trying to say is that Toyota probably doesn't want to publish how much they are earning from their Fortuners dahil baka mahalukay na kaya bloated yung kita nila rito ay dahil sa FORCED installment interest rates and FORCED accessory purchases - which are all UNFAIR business practices.

[EL Chicane]

I bought on purely cash basis (1.48m) and got my ride in two weeks, but with overpriced IHI (59k), a stupid AVT-brand DVD system (50K) and Kel Seat semi-leather (45K).

That's what I'm trying to say. There is a need to hide the dirty laundry. The Fortuner is a financial success story that unfortunately should be hidden from public (and perhaps, government) scrutiny.

Malakas naman ang kita ng Innova, so they are happy with publishing that story instead.

[number001]

The Fortuner is indeed a very successful story that does not need any associated costs (marketing costs, etc.) to move out of the dealership lots. On the other hand, the Innovas needed lots of advertisings (the old campaign was ineffective, so another campaign was hastily comissioned), promos (free insurance, accessories, etc-limited time period), and lots of pushing by sales agents. Indeed, it is selling so well but not as well when compared to the Fortuner.

As for the Innova sales figures, Toyota is probably publishing that, to give out an affecting psychological feeling towards buyers (esp. fence sitters). One segment that employs this method of psychological warfare are real property developers who proudly declare that their projects are all "sold-out" (even before ground-breaking), yet they keep on advertising on the daily papers (months and years after making that chest-thumping announcement of "sold-out"), have tempting give-aways, and still having those annoying and persistent agents in the malls handing out flyers.

[apexi_66]

What I'm trying to say is that Toyota probably doesn't want to publish how much they are earning from their Fortuners dahil baka mahalukay na kaya bloated yung kita nila rito ay dahil sa FORCED installment interest rates and FORCED accessory purchases - which are all UNFAIR business practices.

But the fact na tanggap ng mga buyers ang ginagawa ng Toyota dealers at walang nag rereklamo, it will go on. Iba na ang panahon ngayon eh, the dealer is always right, di na ang customer. Sabagay sabi nga ang isang kasama natin dito, sa mayayaman, alang epek yan. Tapos sabi pa ng iba, pera naman nila yon eh kaya ala tayong pakialam doon. I just wish them na sana they did the right choice buying the Fortuner at wala sana silang magiging problema later on. Pero sana may magreklamo pa rin at maimbestigahan yang unfair business practice ng mga Toyota dealers na yan.

[vicoyski]

Vicosky said:Actually, there are plenty of D-4D Fortuner owners already. 400 Fortuner units are shipped monthly from Thailand since May 2005. Around 80% of the units are Diesel. That would mean over 2000 D-4D Fortuners nationwide as of November 2005. That's a statistically significant sample size. Problems should have already cropped-up by now... What is not know is how many of these D-4D units are the 2.5G variant.

If this is true, saan naman napunta itong 2000 unit na sabi ni Vicosky Fortuner nationwide na. Let's say na 1.3M na lang ang isa ng Fortuner, that's 2.6Billion pesos ha! Ang laking sales non ha para di publish ng Toyota. Di kaya iwas sa tax ang Toyota o yong figure ni kaibigan Vicosky na 2000 units of Fortuner is just a hoax? Nagtatanong lang po

We must remember that gross income is way different from net income... Also, the Fortuner is imported... Toyota Motor Philippines Corporation is not getting all of the P1.3M that we might pay for a unit. Most of it goes to Toyota Thailand and the government (in the form of excise taxes). If ever that TMPC indeed earned over P2.6B, do you even think they'd cheat on their taxes? All vehicle sales are traceable and all transactions have receipts, however unscrupulous the dealerships' tactics may be.

*Apexy: Hoax? You must be some kinda expert in uncovering hoaxes... Go and call CAMPI (Chamber of Automotive Manufacturers of the Philippines, Inc.). I've met their general secretary. They will gladly oblige in giving you the exact vehicle sales figures of Toyota, as all vehicle sales figures (regardless of manufacturer) are considered public information.

[jang]

We must remember that gross income is way different from net income... Also, the Fortuner is imported... Toyota Motor Philippines Corporation is not getting all of the P1.3M that we might pay for a unit. Most of it goes to Toyota Thailand and the government (in the form of excise taxes). If ever that TMPC indeed earned over P2.6B, do you even think they'd cheat on their taxes? All vehicle sales are traceable and all transactions have receipts, however unscrupulous the dealerships' tactics may be.

*Apexy: Hoax? You must be some kinda expert in uncovering hoaxes... Go and call CAMPI (Chamber of Automotive Manufacturers of the Philippines, Inc.). I've met their general secretary. They will gladly oblige in giving you the exact vehicle sales figures of Toyota, as all vehicle sales figures (regardless of manufacturer) are considered public information.

Also, sales of the Fortuner will only be relfected in the 2005 financial statements. There's also the matter of transfer pricing, if taxes are lower in Thailand, Toyota could opt to recognize most of the profit in Thailand than over here.

I wonder about the rollover risk of the Fortuner, especially since it seems to have a high center of gravity.

[IPSG_SlimShady]

Kakambal na talaga ng Fortuner ang Dealership woes. You cannot discuss the Fortuner without the dealership woes creeping into the discussion from time to time. The only way to stop this cycle is to get DTI (Department of Trade and Industry) involved on this issue or complain to a senator (perhaps Miriam Defensor-Santiago) para magkameron ng Senate hearing (in aid of legislation) about this malpractice.

[vicoyski]

...I wonder about the rollover risk of the Fortuner, especially since it seems to have a high center of gravity.

Yup! The risk for rollover of the Fortuner is much higher than cars or other vehicles with comparably lower centers of gravity. This is typical for most midsized to large SUVs. That is why if you're used to a car, you should adjust your driving habits when handling an SUV - no high speed turns or cornering...

[kurosaki_ichigo]

Grabe, two weeks na wala pang plate yung Fortuner namin! T_T How 'bout u guys, how long did you wait for your plate?

[cary168]

5 working days but you should pay grease money

[4wrider]

Also, sales of the Fortuner will only be relfected in the 2005 financial statements. There's also the matter of transfer pricing, if taxes are lower in Thailand, Toyota could opt to recognize most of the profit in Thailand than over here.

I think if ever TMPC resorts to transfer pricing schemes, they will favor the Philippines because of our ad valorem excise taxation. Thailand on the other hand has a system similar to our previous engine displacement based taxation. I heard that some of these imported cars are selling at retail prices at around 200 % of their landed cost (which is the basis of the excise tax).

[apexi_66]

We must remember that gross income is way different from net income... Also, the Fortuner is imported... Toyota Motor Philippines Corporation is not getting all of the P1.3M that we might pay for a unit. Most of it goes to Toyota Thailand and the government (in the form of excise taxes). If ever that TMPC indeed earned over P2.6B, do you even think they'd cheat on their taxes? All vehicle sales are traceable and all transactions have receipts, however unscrupulous the dealerships' tactics may be.

*Apexy: Hoax? You must be some kinda expert in uncovering hoaxes... Go and call CAMPI (Chamber of Automotive Manufacturers of the Philippines, Inc.). I've met their general secretary. They will gladly oblige in giving you the exact vehicle sales figures of Toyota, as all vehicle sales figures (regardless of manufacturer) are considered public information.

Kaya sinabi ko "nagtatanong lang po" kasi it seems malakas ka sa Toyota kaibigan Vicosky.O di ngayon, alam na ng marami kung bakit
Pero dapat talaga ma imbestigahan yang gawa nang mga Toyota dealers na yan para di na maulit yang scam na yan.

[herbularyo]

Just a question. Has anyone of the Fortuner owner here has bought his Fortuner by Cash not in any kind of Financing? My dad was being offered a 2.5D Fortuner kasi but he doesn't wanna take the financing and just wanna pay cash. Someone told him na all Fortuner owners got theirs thru Financing daw.

Yes. My uncle got his unit - 4x2 DSL 2.5L D4D. He paid cash. I was with him when we claimed the unit. Add-on was only leather seat & in-house insurance. THh price before was i think 1.315M + 65T leather seat.

He uses the unit daily without problems: eg: hard starting. He is very satisfied with the unit.

[vicoyski]

Kaya sinabi ko "nagtatanong lang po" kasi it seems malakas ka sa Toyota kaibigan Vicosky.O di ngayon, alam na ng marami kung bakit
Pero dapat talaga ma imbestigahan yang gawa nang mga Toyota dealers na yan para di na maulit yang scam na yan.

I wish malakas ako sa Toyota... I would've gotten my unit within 3 days of my order, instead of 2 months. A colleague of mine is a nephew of the owner of 2 well known dealerships. He got his unit (a 2.7G VVTi) within 3 days of his order. I was planning on seeking his help, eh... Kaya lang, ayaw ko kasi magka-utang na loob... Our units arrived within 4 hours of each other, from different dealerships.

*everybody: I was able to chat with a D-4D Fortuner owner from Thailand. Since the launch of the Fortuner in Thailand, he has yet to hear of a D-4D owner who's had problems with choking or hardstarting. Kaya lang, all the D-4D Fortuner in Thailand are 3.0 liters. They don't have the 2.5 liter variant. He'll be updating me if ever he hears of problems with the 3.0 D-4D. You can catch the thread at the Thai forum of FortunerClub.Net.

[cardo]

Yup! The risk for rollover of the Fortuner is much higher than cars or other vehicles with comparably lower centers of gravity. This is typical for most midsized to large SUVs. That is why if you're used to a car, you should adjust your driving habits when handling an SUV - no high speed turns or cornering...

does the fortuner have rollover safety ratings by an independent organization? like what the US has with the nhtsa? nhtsa has rollover ratings and chances in terms of percentage.

its funny we often read in magazines car reviews, stating car x is fun to drive better than car y. They say car x feels more solid and safer to drive but these are opinions rather than analytical conclusions. In the US you have organizations which literally crash these cars - they are fitted with crash test dummies that are wired up to a computer, a series or a set of cameras and sensors. At the end of the day they evaluate the numbers and can officially say this car is safer. i wish we have this in our country.

[usokpower]

I wish malakas ako sa Toyota... I would've gotten my unit within 3 days of my order, instead of 2 months. A colleague of mine is a nephew of the owner of 2 well known dealerships. He got his unit (a 2.7G VVTi) within 3 days of his order. I was planning on seeking his help, eh... Kaya lang, ayaw ko kasi magka-utang na loob... Our units arrived within 4 hours of each other, from different dealerships.

*everybody: I was able to chat with a D-4D Fortuner owner from Thailand. Since the launch of the Fortuner in Thailand, he has yet to hear of a D-4D owner who's had problems with choking or hardstarting. Kaya lang, all the D-4D Fortuner in Thailand are 3.0 liters. They don't have the 2.5 liter variant. He'll be updating me if ever he hears of problems with the 3.0 D-4D. You can catch the thread at the Thai forum of FortunerClub.Net.

Hi ive read from your first post that you got the 3.0v. I understand that this is an A/T. If so kumusta naman ung engine response? Ive driven an A/T pregio and grabe! napaka bagal its as if it'll take your forever to upshift. How about yours?

BTW, ung 2.5litre variant ba manual or matic?