Hybrids and EV

[baludoy]

yikes!



it's doubly urgent to be more vigilant when driving an ev especially dito na ridden w/ potholes, road debris, animal carcasses, etc mga lansangan natin.

[jick.cejoco]

Most EV batteries including most Tesla cars are only required to be charged from 20-80% regularly. They only recommended to be charged to 100% on long trips. This is one of the reasons why a lot are complaining of range because the regular EV battery is usually not supposed to be charged to 100%.

BYD cars and the base model 3 and Y of Tesla which uses BYD's blade batteries which can be fully charged to 100% regularly. advantage of newer battery technology.

Frequent high speed charging would also degrade the batteries faster than a regular slow Home charging.

which cars are recommended to be charged 100%? can you please enlighten on that. what make and model to be specific. as far as i was taught, there is a buffer of 20% for regenerative braking, so the max recommended state of charge is only 80%

[boybi]

which cars are recommended to be charged 100%? can you please enlighten on that. what make and model to be specific. as far as i was taught, there is a buffer of 20% for regenerative braking, so the max recommended state of charge is only 80%

All EVs can be charged up to 100%. But this is only recommended if you're going on an extended trip. If not, manufacturers recommend to charge only to 80%.

[Walter]

But doing so regularly will shorten the life of the battery ... same goes with gadgets ...

[boybi]

But doing so regularly will shorten the life of the battery ... same goes with gadgets ...

How often is regular, I don't know. I charge mine to 100% once a week for my trip to Metro Manila, and if I am able to charge in the malls, I'll also charge it to 100%.

[carxynogen]

But doing so regularly will shorten the life of the battery ... same goes with gadgets ...

I agree with this one.
Etong Apple, bakit kaya hindi nila nilagyan ng option to not go 100% charging.
Optimized charging lang nilagay nila.

Sa ThinkPad, may feature na pwd mo set na in between lang na percentage range mag charge.
And OT na ako, hehehe.

[carxynogen]

How often is regular, I don't know. I charge mine to 100% once a week for my trip to Metro Manila, and if I am able to charge in the malls, I'll also charge it to 100%.

I think contributing factor din is yung heat.
More heat is generated if you often use fast charging.

Just comparing how I charged my iPhone.
Before, laging naka fast charge, mga 1-1.5 hrs, up to 100% or 95% up na.
Bat yun nga lang, medyo mainit yung phone.
May 3 yrs usage sa phone, battery is degraded to 86%

Bat ever since from Sept ata, hindi na ako nagchacharge from fast chargers and make sure hindi uminit yung phone, nag stuck na at 86% battery health.
Same pa din, ma reach to 100% kasi tulog pa ako before I remove the phone from charging overnight.
Bat sa slow charger ko na siya ichacharge always, unless I need the battery juice as soon as possible.

[boybi]

I agree with this one.
Etong Apple, bakit kaya hindi nila nilagyan ng option to not go 100% charging.
Optimized charging lang nilagay nila.

Sa ThinkPad, may feature na pwd mo set na in between lang na percentage range mag charge.
And OT na ako, hehehe.

If you plug your iphone overnight, it will first charge up to 80% muna, then stops charging. It will start charging again to 100% right before your regular waking up time.

[boybi]

I think contributing factor din is yung heat.
More heat is generated if you often use fast charging.

Just comparing how I charged my iPhone.
Before, laging naka fast charge, mga 1-1.5 hrs, up to 100% or 95% up na.
Bat yun nga lang, medyo mainit yung phone.
May 3 yrs usage sa phone, battery is degraded to 86%

Bat ever since from Sept ata, hindi na ako nagchacharge from fast chargers and make sure hindi uminit yung phone, nag stuck na at 86% battery health.
Same pa din, ma reach to 100% kasi tulog pa ako before I remove the phone from charging overnight.
Bat sa slow charger ko na siya ichacharge always, unless I need the battery juice as soon as possible.

Slow charger lang naman mga home chargers. Mine is only 7kw. Sa malls, usually 22kw or 50kw.

[carxynogen]

If you plug your iphone overnight, it will first charge up to 80% muna, then stops charging. It will start charging again to 100% right before your regular waking up time.

Kaso, yung optimized charging settings nya sa phone ko na hindi ma set manually, until 6AM lang.
Eh tulog pa ako nyan eh, so after 6AM, mag resume siya charging from 80%.
By the time na awake na ako at 8AM, 100% na charge status ng phone.

[jick.cejoco]

to the operator and the dash gauge, it will say full charge (80%) but did you check with a scan tool?

[boybi]

Kaso, yung optimized charging settings nya sa phone ko na hindi ma set manually, until 6AM lang.
Eh tulog pa ako nyan eh, so after 6AM, mag resume siya charging from 80%.
By the time na awake na ako at 8AM, 100% na charge status ng phone.

Hwag masyado mag overthink Negligible nalang yan

[Verbl Kint]

Hwag masyado mag overthink Negligible nalang yan

+1

Li-ion and LiPo batteries are impacted most when you:

• Charge batteries all the time (lessen battery cycles whenever possible)
• Keep the battery topped up all the time (this causes batteries to bloat)
• Keep the battery empty during storage (this lowers charging capacity)

During storage, or when not in use, it's always best to keep the battery from 20% to 80% charge (I prefer 30% to 70%, though).

I think the worst wear and tear battery horror stories I've heard about are the Uber Green cars in the US and Netherlands that do a full charge twice a day. Biyaheng lagare, ika nga.

[shadow]

*boybi ano EV mo?


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[ale828]

In EV, charging protocol to lengthen the life of the battery depends on the type of battery.
It all depends on the model of the EV you will buy.
Most models of BYD uses their Blade battery, its a type of Lithium Ion Phosphate that can be charged consistently to 100% without worry of major degradation.
These same Lithium ion battery is present in the Tesla Model 3/Y Standard range but the Model 3/Y Long Range and performance models uses Nickel Metal Hydride(ni-mh) which you should regularly charge only up to 80% to prolong its battery life. You can always charge it to 100% on Long trips or if needed but its suggested by the manufacturer to charge it from 20-80% to prolong battery life.
Other car manufacturers usually have a variant of the Ni-mh battery.
EV usually comes with an App or smart charger function on board or in your home charger so you can set the max to 80% to help prolong battery life. even if you max the charge at 100%, the charging form 80-100% is usually in trickles to prolong the battery.

[ale828]

In the 80's - people where telling me no to buy automatic cars, sirain daw mga yun, mahal maintenance, hIndi daw tumatagal and papalitan na rin agad and cost over 50K in the 80's.

In the 90's - people where telling me not to get Turbo cars. mabilis daw masira parts nun, from Blow buy, to cylinder troubles, and kailagan daw ma replace mga turbos after 100tkm.

In the 2000's - people tell me wag daw kumuha ng Diesel na engine na kotse/SUV, mahal daw maintenance, mausok, maingay makina, madumi, mabagal daw at malakas sa crudo.

In the 2010's - People Tell me wag kumuha ng kots ena may CVT. Sirain daw ito, mahal palitan, mahirap daw upgrade yung kotse pag naka cvt.

In the 2020's - people tell me wag kumuha ng EV, nasusunog daw, mahal daw palitan ng battery, mauubusan ka daw agad ng battery life/percentage

[Walter]

2030 ... people will tell you not to buy flying cars ...

[Yatta]

[dr. d]

In the 80's - people where telling me no to buy automatic cars, sirain daw mga yun, mahal maintenance, hIndi daw tumatagal and papalitan na rin agad and cost over 50K in the 80's.

In the 90's - people where telling me not to get Turbo cars. mabilis daw masira parts nun, from Blow buy, to cylinder troubles, and kailagan daw ma replace mga turbos after 100tkm.

In the 2000's - people tell me wag daw kumuha ng Diesel na engine na kotse/SUV, mahal daw maintenance, mausok, maingay makina, madumi, mabagal daw at malakas sa crudo.

In the 2010's - People Tell me wag kumuha ng kots ena may CVT. Sirain daw ito, mahal palitan, mahirap daw upgrade yung kotse pag naka cvt.

In the 2020's - people tell me wag kumuha ng EV, nasusunog daw, mahal daw palitan ng battery, mauubusan ka daw agad ng battery life/percentage

mabuhay ang bolswagen kuba car!
heh heh.

seriously,
the message to me, is to not buy the first iterations and expect perfection.
the last iteration is usually the better, more reliable choice.

when to buy EV, or even hybrid?
unless i am heavily pressured into doing so, medyo matagal pa siguro.
a colleague who purchased a hybrid says, "all my fuel savings, i expect to splurge in the future, for a new battery!"

[ice15]

No one wants used EVs, making new ones a tougher sell too | The Straits Times

The shift away from cars with dirty combustion engines is running into a new hurdle: Drivers do not want to buy used electric vehicles (EVs), and that is undermining the market for new ones too.

In the US$1.2 trillion (S$1.6 trillion) second-hand market, prices for battery-powered cars are falling faster than for their combustion-engine cousins.

Buyers are shunning them due to a lack of subsidies, a desire to wait for better technology, and continued shortfalls in charging infrastructures.

The problems are expected to intensify in 2024, when many of the 1.2 million EVs sold in Europe in 2021 will come off their three-year leasing contracts and enter the second-hand market.

“There isn’t used-car demand for EVs,” said Mr Matt Harrison, Toyota Motor’s chief operating officer in Europe. “That’s really hurting the cost-of-ownership story.”