Hybrids and EV

[boybi]

That sucks though. For me a car is about freedom of mobility. Go where you want, when you want.

If your car requires re-scheduling a good chunk your day just to keep it charged then might as well stick with good old gasoline or take public transport. Luckily SG is pretty good on the second.

For use in the metro I think the way to EV is to charge overnight at home. No need for extraneous stops, and should actually be better for the battery than doing a lot of high voltage DC fast-charges.

Not so much adjustment naman. For NCR, one overnight charge at home should be good for the week na. Unless dumami na ang DC charging stations, need talaga adjustments ng EV owners.

[Akky M]

That sucks though. For me a car is about freedom of mobility. Go where you want, when you want.

If your car requires re-scheduling a good chunk your day just to keep it charged then might as well stick with good old gasoline or take public transport. Luckily SG is pretty good on the second.

For use in the metro I think the way to EV is to charge overnight at home. No need for extraneous stops, and should actually be better for the battery than doing a lot of high voltage DC fast-charges.

This condition will be a challenge moving forward in Metro Manila. As the number of EV increases, i dont think there is an overall plan to address the demand for charging station as this is run privately.

Charging at home, not so sure if Meralco is also ready for this, that additional loads though may affect the provider transformer installed . . hehe


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[dr. d]

That sucks though. For me a car is about freedom of mobility. Go where you want, when you want.

If your car requires re-scheduling a good chunk your day just to keep it charged then might as well stick with good old gasoline or take public transport. Luckily SG is pretty good on the second.

For use in the metro I think the way to EV is to charge overnight at home. No need for extraneous stops, and should actually be better for the battery than doing a lot of high voltage DC fast-charges.

if we really want the car, we can rationalize the consequent inconveniences of ownership, and the entailed significant lifestyle changes.
it will probably be an uphill climb.

a condo dweller already said in the past,
"our condo parking has no electrical sockets for us to plug into."

[boybi]

if we really want the car, we can rationalize the consequent inconveniences of ownership, and the entailed significant lifestyle changes.
it will probably be an uphill climb.

a condo dweller already said in the past,
"our condo parking has no electrical sockets for us to plug into."

Yan problema ng living in a condo. But some condos are providing charging for EVs na like the condo beside Shang mall in Mandaluyong.

[ale828]

in my opinion,

turning out EVs in big volumes, is easy.
keeping them charged is probably the difficult part.
it takes a hundred times longer to recharge one, than to fill up a gas station using the traditional gas-powered car.
and who will do the EV charging station? the car maker? meralco? government? shoemart!?

EV are best fit for those with garages. As your own garage will be the fuel station for the EV.
Unless we start having more EV cars as Public Transportation (taxi/grab), the need for an EV infrastructure inside metro manila is minimal kasi you already have your own fuel station at home which cost less than those found in the EV recharge station or even zero if you have solar panels with enough collection. The Shell recharge station has a price of way over PHP 20 per KWH while Meralco at home charges Php 13 per KWH.

The problem are those Condo EV owners who was no electrical outlet. I know more and more of the newer condos are retrofitting their garages to include the option of an outlet.

Now the infrastructure outside Metro manila is whats needed. Most EV can reach the far places in Luzon with less than 50% juice left. thus the need to top up on the way, in the intended destination via mobile charging or on the way back.

[dr. d]

meralco's nightmare.
if enough houses had an EV and charges her overnight every other few days,
it's the equivalent of every other home turning on the airconditioner every night.
our neighborhood had recent experiences of the transformers blowing out, as a result.

[uls]

well that's what environmentalists want diba?

go electric

tapos coal burning ang power generation

[dr. d]

well that's what environmentalists want diba?

go electric

tapos coal burning ang power generation

"it's not that simple."
"going EV simply exports the carbon footprint."
heh heh.

[uls]

not to mention the fossil fuel consumed to mine and process lithium

[boybi]

well that's what environmentalists want diba?

go electric

tapos coal burning ang power generation

It helps in a way naman. If all cars are EV, the pollution will only come from power plants, which can easily be minimized with regulations (vs regulating motorists).

Also, EVs don't need oil changes, have longer brake component life, and very quiet (no sound pollution).

And if EV owners have solar power at home, e di almost polution free na.

The only problem now is battery disposal.

[H1Tman]

It's a step in the right direction.

[dr. d]

a recent google article showed an unexpected finding in going EV,
tyres wore out faster.

going EV is in the right direction, but many things have to be addressed synchronously.

[boybi]

a recent google article showed an unexpected finding in going EV,
tyres wore out faster.

going EV is in the right direction, but many things have to be addressed synchronously.

Because of the weight of most EVs. This can easily be addressed by developing better compounds, or use higher rating tires.

[Vodka]

a recent google article showed an unexpected finding in going EV,
tyres wore out faster.

going EV is in the right direction, but many things have to be addressed synchronously.

yeah for heavy, high-performance EV. my 8000w ebike eats tires faster than my 4000w ebike

but for something like a BYD dolphin that weights just 1400kg and isn't particularly fast, shouldn't be a problem

[Verbl Kint]

It's a step in the right direction.

Agreed. And it is an absolutely necessary step. Civilization should have moved to electric vehicles before the millennium.

In any case, here's a fairly recent MIT article on the subject:

Are electric vehicles definitely better for the climate than gas-powered cars? | MIT Climate Portal

"But if they ran the numbers assuming the EV would charge up in hydropower-heavy Washington State, they found it would emit 61 percent less carbon than the hybrid. When they did the math for coal-heavy West Virginia, the EV actually created more carbon emissions than the hybrid, but still less than the gasoline car."

[ale828]

EV do consume tires faster than stock ICE vehicle.
Weight of the vehicle plus the power/torque of the EV would consume the tires faster than your average ICE car. EV are way faster than your regular ICE car.
Ask any car enthusiast who modify their cars to go faster 'how long their tires last' and you get the same answer. mabilis mapudpud. even with performance tires with high thread life.

i remember during my younger days when we swapped a 2TG engine to a Toyota corona macho Machine. one month lang pudpud na yung isang pair of tires. hahaha

[Dr.Kamiya]

I guess EVs will need XL or LT rated tires.

[tool_46n2]

https://youtu.be/dKtJ_C_VpkI?si=cAwnqI7n0M1LKOrE

Wow, 20% of all vehicles sold in Thailand last January are EVs. This is big considering Thailand is traditionally a diesel/pickup market.

[Dr.Kamiya]

So the tire manufacturers are in fact already making EV-specific tires:

Michelin Pilot Sport EV: MICHELIN Pilot Sport EV - Car Tire | MICHELIN USA

Bridgestone Turanza EV:


Yokohama (in-development): Development of tires for EVs (Electric Vehicles) | THE YOKOHAMA RUBBER CO., LTD.

[sapphiresast]

For Hybrids. Is there a maintenance for the battery?

Also some extended their battery warranty for 8 years, does it follow that the religious PMS sched will still be followed and done sa casa to keep the warranty?