Hybrids and EV

[dr. d]

No one wants used EVs, making new ones a tougher sell too | The Straits Times

the novelty has worn off.
folks now want the reliability, the longevity, and the drop in maintenance costs.
the pollution and carbon footprint issues, have also become more complicated.

[ale828]

No one wants used EVs, making new ones a tougher sell too | The Straits Times

Looks like there will be a flood of 2nd hand EV's in third world countries soon. hahaha

[Verbl Kint]

The Kia EV9 and the Toyota Prius won the 2023 North American SUV and Car of the Year Awards, respectively.


Kia EV9, Toyota Prius and Ford Super Duty take home 224 North American SUV, car and truck awards | AP News

[Dr.Kamiya]

The Kia EV9 Is Already Being Discounted In Some Places



Not even out and already below MSRP. Diba no duties and excise for EVs? Might be a better to buy on from the US

[tool_46n2]

The Kia EV9 Is Already Being Discounted In Some Places



Not even out and already below MSRP. Diba no duties and excise for EVs? Might be a better to buy on from the US

North America will have mostly NACS fast charging stations in 2025 onwards. I believe non-Tesla EV (and older teslas in US) cars have CCS ports only upto this point

Other car makers US, EU, Japanese and Korean brands have committed to using NACS port on its upcoming vehicles in North America. So this will have an effect on resale values of current and old non-tesla (and old teslal cars.

Nissan and its leaf EV using chademo (which is Japan standard) have plummeted in resale value because of popularity of NACS and CCS in the US. But NACs is the way to go moving forward, if you're in the US.

I hope philippines establishes soon an EV charging standard and not be a mix. Since there a lot out there (NACS, Chademo, GBT for China), Europe is still mostly CCS and NACS. Only when charging infrastructure is put up and expanded continuously , that we can expect people to embrace EVs over ICE cars.

[ice15]

I hope philippines establishes soon an EV charging standard and not be a mix. Since there a lot out there (NACS, Chademo, GBT for China), Europe is still mostly CCS and NACS. Only when charging infrastructure is put up and expanded continuously , that we can expect people to embrace EVs over ICE cars.

agree. mura lang naman ang CCS-GBT adapter (Lazada and Shopee) - pero I was told by my friend na hindi daw sya pinayagan to use one in a Mall kasi nasira daw yung isang charging port nila (probably) bec of the adapter.

kaya super hassle din if we buy a non-Ayala Chinese car tapos di naman pala natin magagamit yung chargers sa malls
*A friend told me BYD (now) uses CCS

[ale828]

North America will have mostly NACS fast charging stations in 2025 onwards. I believe non-Tesla EV (and older teslas in US) cars have CCS ports only upto this point

Other car makers US, EU, Japanese and Korean brands have committed to using NACS port on its upcoming vehicles in North America. So this will have an effect on resale values of current and old non-tesla (and old teslal cars.

Nissan and its leaf EV using chademo (which is Japan standard) have plummeted in resale value because of popularity of NACS and CCS in the US. But NACs is the way to go moving forward, if you're in the US.

I hope philippines establishes soon an EV charging standard and not be a mix. Since there a lot out there (NACS, Chademo, GBT for China), Europe is still mostly CCS and NACS. Only when charging infrastructure is put up and expanded continuously , that we can expect people to embrace EVs over ICE cars.

True. North America/USA has almost all non tesla EV carrying the NACS port by 2025. Kia and Hyundai i think will have those ports by the end of 2024. Most EV buyers in North America are willing to wait for the updated charging port from the car models units they would buy. thus the discount and low demand for EV in North America that you will most probably hear in the news.

The Tesla Supercharger network is supposed to be the most reliable and consistent with regards to charging stations in the USA and most EV buyers prefer to charge there and would wait for an EV with the plug compatible to a TEsla Supercharger. I have heard thou that some manufacturers of other EV are giving adapters to NACS included in the purchase of their EV.

[tool_46n2]

agree. mura lang naman ang CCS-GBT adapter (Lazada and Shopee) - pero I was told by my friend na hindi daw sya pinayagan to use one in a Mall kasi nasira daw yung isang charging port nila (probably) bec of the adapter.

kaya super hassle din if we buy a non-Ayala Chinese car tapos di naman pala natin magagamit yung chargers sa malls
*A friend told me BYD (now) uses CCS

Byd sold outside China will likely be CCS. Yung advantage lng tlga ng NACS is that the charger and ports are said to be more durable. Comparable for DC fast charging but NACS may be pull ahead with >500kw charging, which I dont care about not until solid state batteries delivers its promise of high energy density, longevity and safety.

Maybe whatever our Asean neighbors adopt, we should also go for. Malaysia and Indonesia with their cheap electricity rates I would expect to adopt EV faster.

Its hard to think gas companies will be the one to push for EV charging infrastructure since it directly competes with selling fuel. And to think it occupies space for at least half an hour on precious real estate.

Govt should probably provide land to big companies like Ayala to put up charging infrastructure. I think nuclear power is key to make electricity cheaper, again govt and maybe big companies are the ones to make it happen. Philippines still has the highest rates in Asean bar Singapore.

[Dr.Kamiya]

agree. mura lang naman ang CCS-GBT adapter (Lazada and Shopee) - pero I was told by my friend na hindi daw sya pinayagan to use one in a Mall kasi nasira daw yung isang charging port nila (probably) bec of the adapter.

kaya super hassle din if we buy a non-Ayala Chinese car tapos di naman pala natin magagamit yung chargers sa malls
*A friend told me BYD (now) uses CCS

The charger can't detect those adapters since most of them are dumb devices that merely convert the layout of one connector to another.

If they're not snugly fitted when the car is charged, it'll get very hot and even melt or worst case ignite.

[ice15]

Honda reveals new 'H mark' logo at CES for future EVs | Auto Blog

Honda debuted a new H mark that is destined for future electric vehicles.

[baludoy]

cadogan (the bogan ) is back at it again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsRrkXiUtV4

[dr. d]

Mabagal lang infrastructure ng charging station, kasi it competes with their main products (Gasoline/Diesel).
Siguro if maglabas toyota ng affordable EV car kahit DNGA man lang to compete with Chinese EVs, cgro that's the time the infrastructure will follow.
Volume seller si Toyota, malamang mag-uunahan yang mga big 3 to capture the EV charging market.
Or a new player might capture this market if mabagal pa rin big 3.

in my opinion,

turning out EVs in big volumes, is easy.
keeping them charged is probably the difficult part.
it takes a hundred times longer to recharge one, than to fill up a gas station using the traditional gas-powered car.
and who will do the EV charging station? the car maker? meralco? government? shoemart!?

[shadow]

Ano binili mo EV Kags?


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[Akky M]

in my opinion,

turning out EVs in big volumes, is easy.
keeping them charged is probably the difficult part.
it takes a hundred times longer to recharge one, than to fill up a gas station using the traditional gas-powered car.
and who will do the EV charging station? the car maker? meralco? government? shoemart!?

I was in SG recently for a short business trip. Talking to the grab driver who by the way drives a BYD EV and his biggest complaint is the time spent waiting for his turn to charge it.

With SG EV sales in the uptrend and charging infrastructure is still limited (definitely way way much better in Metro Manila), the driver complaint is it takes him 2 to 2.5 hrs to charge with waiting time as the biggest chunk and it makes him so umproductive and earn less instead of his previous Prius hybrid which is a fill and go.

With more and more EV sales in Metro Manila, charging will soon become a huge challenge. Unless of course you retrofit your home to be EV charging ready (install a solar to save on meralco bill cost [emoji23])


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[boybi]

I was in SG recently for a short business trip. Talking to the grab driver who by the way drives a BYD EV and his biggest complaint is the time spent waiting for his turn to charge it.

With SG EV sales in the uptrend and charging infrastructure is still limited (definitely way way much better in Metro Manila), the driver complaint is it takes him 2 to 2.5 hrs to charge with waiting time as the biggest chunk and it makes him so umproductive and earn less instead of his previous Prius hybrid which is a fill and go.

With more and more EV sales in Metro Manila, charging will soon become a huge challenge. Unless of course you retrofit your home to be EV charging ready (install a solar to save on meralco bill cost [emoji23])


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Charging should take less than 30min using DC chargers. Enough time to take a break from driving and have some coffee.

[Akky M]

Charging should take less than 30min using DC chargers. Enough time to take a break from driving and have some coffee.

Yup, not the charging time itself. But the waiting time for his turn to charge his EV is what consumes most of it, thats what the driver complains about, law of supply and demand.


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[carxynogen]

in my opinion,

turning out EVs in big volumes, is easy.
keeping them charged is probably the difficult part.
it takes a hundred times longer to recharge one, than to fill up a gas station using the traditional gas-powered car.
and who will do the EV charging station? the car maker? meralco? government? shoemart!?

Nawala tong post ko dito sa thread na to doc, buti na quote mo.
Parang may na delete ata from forum DB

[dr. d]

Nawala tong post ko dito sa thread na to doc, buti na quote mo.
Parang may na delete ata from forum DB

i think someone is erasing from existence, our favorite post-er's posts.
those who responded to his posts, were also erased.

[boybi]

Yup, not the charging time itself. But the waiting time for his turn to charge his EV is what consumes most of it, thats what the driver complains about, law of supply and demand.


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EV owners need to adapt and adjust. One should know when’s the best time to charge in public charging stations. Singapore is small, one probably won’t use up the battery in one day.

[Dr.Kamiya]

EV owners need to adapt and adjust. One should know when’s the best time to charge in public charging stations. Singapore is small, one probably won’t use up the battery in one day.

That sucks though. For me a car is about freedom of mobility. Go where you want, when you want.

If your car requires re-scheduling a good chunk your day just to keep it charged then might as well stick with good old gasoline or take public transport. Luckily SG is pretty good on the second.

For use in the metro I think the way to EV is to charge overnight at home. No need for extraneous stops, and should actually be better for the battery than doing a lot of high voltage DC fast-charges.