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    #9681
    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    Why are we in this s**t and not like Taiwan? Dami kasing pasaway, nagbukas lang starbucks unahan agad, tumaggap lang ng SAP , shabu, sabong at bingo agad.
    Walang traffic , street racing agad.
    because taiwan did not trust china and the info about the virus coming out of china. they learned their lesson from the SARS outbreak, wc originated also in china

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    If Duterte will take the advice of the medical consultants expect the ECQ to extend for another 2 weeks or until end of May. Total lockdown for the extended weeks.

    If he will listen to the business sector, expect it to end by April 30 with calibrated measures, starting with the opening of the malls. Expect a 2nd wave before end of June.

    If he will listen to the military, it will extend indefinitely with martial law like ecq until vaccine is available.


    Why are we in this s**t and not like Taiwan? Dami kasing pasaway, nagbukas lang starbucks unahan agad, tumaggap lang ng SAP , shabu, sabong at bingo agad.
    Walang traffic , street racing agad.
    Pwede naman buksan ang mga shops but only if strict wearing of face mask at huwag matigas ang ulo. Even overcrowding can happen, just as long as lahat covered ang bunganga.

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    #9683
    Sana may stats including blood type, age group, ethnicity. I've read somewhere African people have this weird blood shape that tends to clog, and blood-type O is more resistant to infections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhisky View Post
    Means we're all F.

    After ECQ kahit iiextend, people who are asymptomatic are still roaming around infecting other people.

    Seemed like there's no way to contain this virus unless may vaccine na talaga.

    Mas malala pa sya common cold and cough. Itong dalwa kita muna agad symptoms, itong covid nakatago sayo, walang symptoms habang nanghahawa ka ng iba

    exactly why this virus went global so fast

    people who are infectious feel fine... they can go around, travel

    buti sana kung magkasakit ka agad pag nahawa ka at least limitado galaw mo nasa bahay ka lang nakahiga

    pero ito kahit isa o dalawang linggo na ok ka parin

    wala ka nararamdaman o mild symptoms lang

    antagal bago ka ma-knock down

    ung iba hindi pa ma-knock down

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    exactly why this virus went global so fast

    people who are infectious feel fine... they can go around, travel

    buti sana kung magkasakit ka agad pag nahawa ka at least limitado galaw mo nasa bahay ka lang nakahiga

    pero ito kahit isa o dalawang linggo na ok ka parin

    wala ka nararamdaman o mild symptoms lang

    antagal bago ka ma-knock down

    ung iba hindi pa ma-knock down

    or most of them have recovered already w/out them know they're once infected by the virus, pwede din.

    so UK study is right all along, "the time when an effective containment is effective have already passed" study published March before every country issued a locked down.

    Pinapabagal lang natin but eventually lahat tayo mahahawa

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    #9686
    Quote Originally Posted by dhisky View Post
    or most of them have recovered already w/out them know they're once infected by the virus, pwede din.

    so UK study is right all along, "the time when an effective containment is effective have already passed" study published March before every country issued a locked down.

    Pinapabagal lang natin but eventually lahat tayo mahahawa
    yes many already recovered

    after more than a month after getting infected if all you got are mild symptoms or even flu-like symptoms that knocked you down for few days but you didn't end up in the hospital and you're ok na malamang you recovered na

    if you got tested for antibodies baka positive ka

    AND YES i actually thought of that -- the lockdown is only slowing down the natural course of the virus within a population

    i know it's a very unpopular view kaya di ko binabanggit
    Last edited by uls; April 19th, 2020 at 04:31 PM.

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    Is Japan primed for an Italy type surge?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 12vdc View Post
    Sana may stats including blood type, age group, ethnicity. I've read somewhere African people have this weird blood shape that tends to clog, and blood-type O is more resistant to infections.
    it's still early.
    we'll get to see the epidemiology statistics much later.

    that "weird blood shape" disease is sickle cell anemia.
    it's a genetic disease that has an adaptive mechanism of sorts.
    it somehow increases one's chances of surviving malaria.

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    ‘Akala nila wala lang ’yun’: Mga residente ng Sitio Zapatera hirap sa pag-unawa sa COVID-19 | ABS-CBN News

    Sa lahat ng kanilang mga na-swab, 135 sa mga ito ay nagpositibo sa COVID-19 bagamat marami ang asymptomatic.

    “ ’Yung mga positive kinukuha natin ’yung symptomatic na doon. Meron tayong in-establish na quarantine area, ’yung katapat na school within the barangay,” sabi ni Villa sa panayam sa DZMM Sabado.

    Dahil dito, isinailalim ang lugar sa total lockdown pero maging ito ay tila naisasawalang-bahala umano ng mga residenteng patuloy na labas nang labas ng kanilang mga bahay.


    Bagamat ibinibigay naman ng gobyerno ang pangangailangan ng mga residente para manatili na lamang sila sa kanilang mga bahay, patuloy pa rin silang lumabas.

    “Talaga lang gusto nilang lumabas kasi nga slum ang area doon, mainit ang bahay, walang electric fan. Akala din nila normal lang din ’yung flu na ’yun, kaya nila, kasi ’yung mga natesting namin walang sintomas, akala nila wala lang yun,” sabi niya.

    “Kung nakikinig lang sana sila hindi sana tayo aabot sa ganito,” sabi ni Villa.

    Pero sa kabila nito, mainam pa rin umanong maging mapagpasensiya hanggang sa matutunan ng tao ang sumunod.

    "Hindi basta-basta ang virus na ito. Nahihirapan na talaga kami sa pagpapaintindi pero still we have to do it kasi health workers kami, ito ang dapat naming gawin,” sabi niya.

    Nais nilang ma-contain na lamang sa lugar ang virus at hindi na makaapekto pa ng ibang barangay.

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    #9690
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    maybe they got it at supermarket

    --

    What if di lumalabas

    people who don't go out but still got infected were infected by someone in the family who goes out and brought the virus home

    There's always a link to the outside
    I doubt it sa Supermarket, meron ako nabasa na less chance mahawa naman sa Supermarkets. Besides yun social distancing plus mas conscious na tao now sa mga paligid niya.

    Millions of virus daw yun dami par mahawa. So dapat matagal mo kasama and tuloy tuloy yun ma breath in mo yun virus like in hospitals.

    Yun lola na chinese eh pumunta ng unimart then few days nagkasakit na pero alam naman na natin 2 weeks ang incubation, meron pa siyang ibang napuntahan siguro.

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    it is really very difficult to explain the disease to the man on the street.
    the speaker has to be very good, to be effective in imparting the knowledge.
    but it has to be done, because that is the only way for them to understand and cooperate with the authorities, so as to minimize the damage the disease can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    If Duterte will take the advice of the medical consultants expect the ECQ to extend for another 2 weeks or until end of May. Total lockdown for the extended weeks.

    If he will listen to the business sector, expect it to end by April 30 with calibrated measures, starting with the opening of the malls. Expect a 2nd wave before end of June.

    If he will listen to the military, it will extend indefinitely with martial law like ecq until vaccine is available.


    Why are we in this s**t and not like Taiwan? Dami kasing pasaway, nagbukas lang starbucks unahan agad, tumaggap lang ng SAP , shabu, sabong at bingo agad.
    Walang traffic , street racing agad.
    Kung i-lift na sa katapusan malls shouldn't be open at all. Para walang matabayan mga tao.


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    More new recoveries and lowest number of new cases in eight days...


    Last edited by Monseratto; April 19th, 2020 at 05:18 PM.

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    Singapore jumps to the top of ASEAN countries with the highest number of cases...

    Singapore reports 596 new COVID-19 cases, vast majority from dormitories - CNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Kung i-lift na sa katapusan malls shouldn't be open at all. Para walang matabayan mga tao.


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    baka puede, kung limited and...
    tiangge style. sa labas ng building ang sales area.
    para well-distanced at walang enclosed air.

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    How much danger asymptomatics pose?

    The US Navy has tested nearly the entire crew of the deployed aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt for the coronavirus, and the results offer some insight into the how the disease can spread undetected, especially among young, healthier populations.

    On NBC's "Today Show" Thursday, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper revealed that more than half of the infected sailors never had any symptoms.

    "What we've found of the 600 or so that have been infected, what's disconcerting is a majority of those, 350 plus, are asymptomatic," he said, adding, "So it has revealed a new dynamic of this virus that it can be carried by normal, healthy people who have no idea whatsoever that they are carrying it."
    Sweeping US Navy testing reveals most aircraft carrier sailors infected with coronavirus had no symptoms | Business Insider

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    Physical distancing has little to no real protection from direct contact and is just an WHO compromise for white folks who don't want to wear a mask, like the doofus in the White House. Mandatory wearing of mask prevents by unsuspecting asymptomatics prevents them from spreading their infection.

    Coronavirus droplets may travel further than personal distancing guidelines, study finds | South China Morning Post



    A Canadian study found an unobstructed cough could travel two metres (six feet) in less than three seconds and keep going, well beyond the internationally accepted minimum distance that people are being asked to observe during the pandemic.

    The study, led by Canada’s Western University and accepted for publication by the journal Indoor Air, was conducted well before the emergence of the current health crisis – up to the 2017-18 flu season – but has clear implications for the fight against Covid-19.

    “Even when you are 2.5 metres away, the airflow in the cough can still be moving at 200mm [eight inches] a second,” said Eric Savory, professor from Western University’s department of mechanical and materials engineering. “The very fine droplets are going to remain suspended for a long time, even after four seconds.”

    A separate American study on the new coronavirus has reinforced the argument in favour of face masks, with the finding that covering the mouth with a damp cloth curbs the emission of droplets during speech.

    Research published by The New England Journal of Medicine found significant differences between the number of droplets produced, and their distance of travel, when a person spoke with their mouth covered and uncovered.

    In the experiment, almost no droplets were observed when the participant said “stay healthy” while his mouth was covered with a slightly damp flannel. In contrast, he generated nearly 350 droplets when speaking at his loudest volume with his mouth uncovered.
    Last edited by Monseratto; April 19th, 2020 at 06:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Physical distancing has little to no real protection from direct contact and is just an WHO compromise for white folks who don't want to wear a mask, like the doofus in the White House. Mandatory wearing of mask prevents by unsuspecting asymptomatics prevents them from spreading their infection.

    Coronavirus droplets may travel further than personal distancing guidelines, study finds | South China Morning Post

    There's a Japanese video showing microdroplets of spittle floating around 4-5 meters from the speaker, even during normal speech.

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    What are the odds of you getting sick from touching a contaminated surface... very rare.
    Confronting COVID-19: An Analysis of Surface Contamination Risks | American Bankers Association

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yatta View Post
    There's a Japanese video showing microdroplets of spittle floating around 4-5 meters from the speaker, even during normal speech.

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