Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[frostmourn]

A partial short with a set resistance has been proposed in the Toyota case, but it has to be an exact resistance so that the two sensors will agree, otherwise limp mode.

And of course, if such a partial grounding or melting occurs, it would leave traces that can be found upon disassembly.

A further proposal is that the short could be due to tin whiskers, which can possibly break off after impact, removing the short, but I do believe there would still be dust or bits of loose tin inside the ECU if this occurs... right?



While Mitsu is the only (modern) one I know of in which you can pull out the key in Neutral... all the automatic cars (or almost all) I've driven over the past few years allow you to restart in neutral. This helps when you want to save gas and turn off the engine at very long stops.



Yun lang. Even if the DTI pinpoints the lack of a safety feature as the reason... if Mitsubishi shows that others lack that safety feature because it is not required here, can they really be punished for it?

Kulang talaga ang local law.



The difference is, the vehicle has already passed local and regional safety laws. If there is a claimed hidden defect, it is not their job to prove it doesn't exist. It's the government's job to prove that it does. And if proven guilty, the company has to pay up.

This requires an agency to test these vehicles for defects when a customer complains. But from the hearings so far, I doubt the DTI can do it.



Kulang budget? Wala pa yung free Mirage ko.

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I wonder what the guy from Central Diesel will be testifying on. I'm pretty sure he will bring up the inhibitor switch issue, but if he comes up with "runaway diesel combustion", he would need some hard evidence to back it up. Hmm... EGR? SCV? Typically have the opposite effect.

I'm really interested in hearing what the guy has to say. Unlike some of the other media, I'm not fully on the "driver error" bandwagon. I mean, sure, the White Montero, that's obvious driver error. And some of the others on the SUA blog have all the hallmarks of driver error, but several other incidents can not be so easily explained away, which brings up the possibility of mat or mechanical entrapment...

have you seen Mitsubishi Montero SUA club sir niky? Most of them dont know the reason. Black smoke is caused by dirty EGR and if the SCV is broken the engine will not start. Those people who are wondering in social media dont even owned a diesel engine SUV. I just hope they can invite MSCP since they know our rigs. Sad part is the resale value of our car is affected thus selling it nowadays is not practical.

With regards to the 100 plus incident regarding SUA it is hard to identify who is the victim here. What if this is really a human error? Knowing that these cars are all manufactured in Thailand and no reported issues on 90 countries in which Montero Sport/Pajero Sport/Challenger/Dakar are available. What if pedal misapplication is the real cause? And mitsubishi was charged for a buy back. Who will defend this investor? Are we or does the government only sees this thing as the fault of the manufacture?

There is no fair competition here. Looking at bought side. The media made this issue a sensation.

Last but not the least. The first incident of SUA is 2011. Its now 2015. Why only now when the 2016 model is coming.

For me its better to pulverize mitsubishi on the very first time. Just saying.

[frostmourn]

I think dapat na i-class action suit ang Mitsubishi for passing a 90s engine 4d56 with high torque to comoete with Fortuner and other mid-SuVs

Yes it's driver error. But Mitsubishi sold an old engine to a generation na sobrang pampered. The csr is not IDIOT PROOF. Ok lang kung yun tangang driver ang masaktan but if may madamay na pedestrian, kawawa naman.

This car is a deadly weapon na may access ang idiots.


My 2013 Pajero BK has the shift lock and needs to press the brake before shifting. It's not 4d56, it's 4m40 bs or 1. Kaya naman nila eh kaya lang tinipid nila ang Montero para ma-cut throat ang competition.

If it has the ability to harm innocent people regardless if it's human / driver erro, be accountable. Delikado ang car nyo. Sobrang dami ang Montero sa kalsada, kasi mas mura pero not idiot proof.

Kaya pala walang problema ang L300FB and Adventure, though 4d56, eh kasi MT naman,


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I now change my view on this isssue. kudos to abs-cbn for pursuing this, for the safety of the public.

This car is dangerous nit because primarily of a design flaw, but because of the driver, na hindi man lang nila ini-orient the first time they bought it, why? Kasi ma-cocompare at ma discover
na old technology ang engine nila with others.


All Because of PROFIT. Tsk tsk ... Mitsubishi should recall all the Monteros affected and install the safety feature. Ilan taon pa ito tatakbo sa roads na tin?

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Hehe. See. Sabi ni OB drivers error.

I can say na the torque is really there. First time ko imaneho yun paatras ako nasobrahan ako tapak dumamba agad siya paatras. Natuwa kasi ako sa reverse camera dun ako nakatingin. Bigat na pala tapak ko. Presence of mind lang talaga.

Sakit naman non OB L300 talaga. Hehe. Same model but not same technology.

[glenn manikis]

97 SUA cases-- MMC should shoulder the expenses in hiring 3rd party experts... Proved nila thru 3rd party experts ma Walang SUA..

No evidence that's bull-- we have here 97 witness...

[glenn manikis]

That guy from central diesel is an expert... He is also a member here-- Pero Napancin Ko hindi cya nag cocoment dito sa thread Na ito or any other thread--- Sa Isang thread Lang Sila sumasagot... Pag tinanong--

[vvti2.0]

runaway diesel combustion

Is this really possible ba sa mga modern engines ngayun? Ang alam ko lang pwede magkaganito ay yung mga kubota - yanmar type na gamit sa pagsasaka.

Pero for modern engines, mukhang malabo na mangyari ang runaway engine. This problem is a very basic na issue and even DIY guys can make remedy to avoid engine runaway.

[vvti2.0]

Kulang budget? Wala pa yung free Mirage ko.

Paps, ang cheap mo kung pagtyagaan mo yung mirage as PF para sa ganitong PR nila.

Nagbabayad nga sila sa mga artista na ang mahal na gagawin lang eh ipakita mukha nila. Dapat sa mga ganitong sitwasyon, matuto silang mag shell out ng malaki hehehe....

Sa risk management ng mga companies, isa ang mga ganito sa pinag uusapan, and sa totoo lang isa sa mga mgastos at matrabaho, ito yung reputational risk. Mahirap i-quantify ang amount nito.

Invest na sila sa PR man, hindi yan sa pag cover up ng sitwasyon kung hindi para wag mag escalate na.

[kimbon]

could this be the real culprit of SUA?
"the driver's side floormat interfering with the accelerator pedal."
http://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-i...rt-owners.html

[jaggerx3]

If investigation proves na walang defect ang Montero I hope Mitsu would file case against Kabayad and other complainants

[CVT]

Can anyone else also confirm that the Hyundai Grand Starex doesn't have a brake shift lock but only a button shift lock similar to MS? Tried it on the brother's GS.

Our TCi A/T GS only has a button shift lock, bro....

I am not certain about the VGT A/T GS variant, though.

A partial short with a set resistance has been proposed in the Toyota case, but it has to be an exact resistance so that the two sensors will agree, otherwise limp mode.

And of course, if such a partial grounding or melting occurs, it would leave traces that can be found upon disassembly.

Cross-checking is essential for this mission-critical function....

And yes, I agree, electrical failure analysis should easily catch such failures in the field. The industry is matured enough to handle these occurrences. And the pressure on the supplier is tremendous....

While Mitsu is the only (modern) one I know of in which you can pull out the key in Neutral... all the automatic cars (or almost all) I've driven over the past few years allow you to restart in neutral. This helps when you want to save gas and turn off the engine at very long stops.
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For the record bro.,- our GS TCi A/T,- you can pull out the key in "Drive"....

And suddenly you'd be asking yourself when you re-start,- "Why is the engine not cranking???"....


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[CVT]

as much as possible dapat nga lahat nung nag reklamo na may SUA ung monty nila dapat ay masama sa imbestigasyon, syempre ano pa ba ang pinaka best na imbestigahan dapat ung involved units kapag hindi un ang inimbestigahan sasabihin nananaman ng iba syempre walang depekto ung tinest nila.

Bukod sa testimonya,- mag test drive din ang mga "biktimang drivers" para malaman kung mayroon ngang sala sa kanilang istilo....

Para masala ang totoong nagsasabi at "nagsisinungaling"... Iyong mga "nagsisinungaling", dapat mayroong liability rin....

If investigation proves na walang defect ang Montero I hope Mitsu would file case against Kabayad and other complainants

Iyan ang isa sa isinulat ko sa kanilang President and CEO at sa kanilang VP ng Customer Service.. na ang isang pruweba ay ang puting montero na nagpalit ng driver....Pero, itinuro lang ako sa kanilang official release... Langy*....


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[Jfox]

nasa driver yan. araw araw ko pinapalipad yung montero ko, puro intended acceleration lahat. hinihintay ko nga kung kelan mag unintended. so far, none.

[glenn manikis]

J fox-- Hindi naman sinasabi na Lahat NG montero may defect-- your experience doesn't apply to every MOntero in the market...

It doesn't mean that if it doesn't happen sa suv mo.. It won't happen na din sa iba...

[Jfox]

that's the point glenn. yung driving skills ko, doesn't apply sa iba. kilalanin muna natin yung vehicle before we drive. that simple. may time talaga na nagkakamali tayo, it happened to me once, kaso not fatal.

[Altis6453]

If investigation proves na walang defect ang Montero I hope Mitsu would file case against Kabayad and other complainants

Kahit ngayon pwede gawin ng MMPC ang kasuhan si Kabayad at ang ABS-CBN kasi wala pa namang pruweba ang defect ng MS which leads to SUA. Medyo mahina rin ang Legal ng Mitsubishi.

[kimbon]

hanggang wala pang final investigation ng mga car expert/third party lahat tayo speculate lang kung human or machine error. Heto naman ang tanong ko sa mga 97+ complainants na identify na ba ng mitsu phil. kung anong mfgt. date ang may SUA? ex.15 complainants during mfgt date xxxx yr, 20 complainants mfgt date yyyyy yr. once identified mai-isolate nila ang cause ng SUA kung talagang meron ba

[Dende]

Mga sir diba sourced sa thailand at hindi gawang pinas ang montero? May napabalita na bang ganyan sa ibang bansa na sa thailand din kinukuha ang units nila?

[Ry_Tower]

97 SUA cases-- MMC should shoulder the expenses in hiring 3rd party experts... Proved nila thru 3rd party experts ma Walang SUA..

No evidence that's bull-- we have here 97 witness...

Malinyang thinking mo. It will open up pandoras box. So lahat nang irereklamo na manufacturer kahit wala sila ginawa na masama eh need gumastos to prove their innocence. Where is justice in that. The burden to prove is always to the complainant. That way, hindi madali manira nang reputasyon at manggulo.

Kaya i always ssy kasuhan na kssi nila MMPC. Para magkaalamn na.

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[PJ Sinohin]

Dun sa 97 cases, paano kung ang driver's license restriction codes nila ay 1,2 lang - edi bawas na agad kasi in the first place hindi dapat sila nag-ddrive ng AT vehicle?

[Ry_Tower]

Also MMPC being lead by a japanese eh hindi magkakaso yan.
Japs are very honorable. Mapatunayan lang na wala defect MS eh okay na sa kanila yan. Ang siste dyan eh kung sabihin nang DTI na may defect or recall etc. Dyan na natin malaman ang next move nila.





Aalis nang PI. hahaha

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[jaggerx3]

Dun sa 97 cases, paano kung ang driver's license restriction codes nila ay 1,2 lang - edi bawas na agad kasi in the first place hindi dapat sila nag-ddrive ng AT vehicle?

2 should be enough to drive an A/T. Yung restriction na may A/T sa license natin ay ibig sabhin nun AT lang pwede niya i drive. Pero pag 2 MT or AT is fine