Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[HUMABOL KA]

I aggree. Mas ok kung ang ipasuri nila ay yung 30 na binili uli ng MMPC, kaso nagalaw na yun.

hindi naman na buyback ung mga unit nung ibang nagreklamo lalo na ung dalawang senior citizen na nagreklamo sa abs-cbn. for sure masasama sa investigasyon lahat ng involved unit sa SUA.

[vvti2.0]

hahaha ngayon kinoconsider na ng dti at ng mitsubishi na ipasuri mula sa ibang bansa ung montero meron pa rin nasasabi ang tao ano ba talaga? haha

Dahil it is plain stupid na gamitin ang taxpayers money for the PF of the experts.

[HUMABOL KA]

Dahil it is plain stupid na gamitin ang taxpayers money for the PF of the experts.

ginusto ng mga complainants yan eh dba sabi nila para naman daw sa ikakabuti ng "PUBLIC" ung nirereklamo nila.

chaka isa pa dba ayaw maniwala nung mga complainants sa nilabas na paliwanag ng mitsubishi. edi mas maganda na kumuha na cla ng experts from other countries para ma rule out ung mga ganung speculation. ewan ko na lang kung hindi pa din cla maniwala dun "kung sakaling" mapatunayan na walang depekto ang monty.

[ClaNker]

hindi naman na buyback ung mga unit nung ibang nagreklamo lalo na ung dalawang senior citizen na nagreklamo sa abs-cbn. for sure masasama sa investigasyon lahat ng involved unit sa SUA.

All 97? Good luck with that, don't expect MMPC will just rollover.

[HUMABOL KA]

All 97? Good luck with that, don't expect MMPC will just rollover.

as much as possible dapat nga lahat nung nag reklamo na may SUA ung monty nila dapat ay masama sa imbestigasyon, syempre ano pa ba ang pinaka best na imbestigahan dapat ung involved units kapag hindi un ang inimbestigahan sasabihin nananaman ng iba syempre walang depekto ung tinest nila.

[vvti2.0]

ginusto ng mga complainants yan eh dba sabi nila para naman daw sa ikakabuti ng "PUBLIC" ung nirereklamo nila.

Natural magreklamo kung sa tingin mo nagoyo ka, pero mali an i-drag mo sa gastusan yung walang alam.

Sa totoo lang, sa mga kaso na ganito, yung nag introduce ng product ang dapat magpakita ng sapat na ebidensya na safe ang produkto nila, hindi yung nakabili.

Pero ano nga ba, nasa 3rd world country tayo na mas pinapaboran ang kapitalista kaysa sa masa. At ang masama pa dito, maraming miyembro ng masa sa kadahilanang dahil lamang sa wala naman epekto sa kanila ito, or kung totoo ang claim eh masama epekto sa kanila, pinapaboran na ang kapitalista.

Typical na mentality natin, instead na magkaisa tayo para i-challenge ang mitsubishi, ang tina challenge pa natin ay yung mga na-aksidente.

[suvfanatic]

Ang alam ko hati dapat ang complainant and respondent sa gastos. And usually Kung ano findings ng 3rd independent expert is final and binding sa parties. Sa balita kanina sabi ng dti saka nalang daw pag usapan yung expenses. Anyway I'm all for the 3rd independent and credible expert from abroad para magka alamanan na.

Dahil it is plain stupid na gamitin ang taxpayers money for the PF of the experts.

[HUMABOL KA]

Natural magreklamo kung sa tingin mo nagoyo ka, pero mali an i-drag mo sa gastusan yung walang alam.

Sa totoo lang, sa mga kaso na ganito, yung nag introduce ng product ang dapat magpakita ng sapat na ebidensya na safe ang produkto nila, hindi yung nakabili.

Pero ano nga ba, nasa 3rd world country tayo na mas pinapaboran ang kapitalista kaysa sa masa. At ang masama pa dito, maraming miyembro ng masa sa kadahilanang dahil lamang sa wala naman epekto sa kanila ito, or kung totoo ang claim eh masama epekto sa kanila, pinapaboran na ang kapitalista.

Typical na mentality natin, instead na magkaisa tayo para i-challenge ang mitsubishi, ang tina challenge pa natin ay yung mga na-aksidente.

edi umapela ang mga complainants na mitsubishi dapat ang gumastos kung un pala ang problema and to think na wala pa naman napapatunayan kung talaga nga bang fault ng sasakyan mahirap kumampi sa isang side im not even on the side of mitsubishi, ang point ko is dapat magkaroon ng credible investigation and the best way to do that eh mag hire ng experts from other countries kung gusto natin mabigyan ng HUSTISYA UNG COMPLAINANTS.

[ClaNker]

Natural magreklamo kung sa tingin mo nagoyo ka, pero mali an i-drag mo sa gastusan yung walang alam.

Sa totoo lang, sa mga kaso na ganito, yung nag introduce ng product ang dapat magpakita ng sapat na ebidensya na safe ang produkto nila, hindi yung nakabili.

Pero ano nga ba, nasa 3rd world country tayo na mas pinapaboran ang kapitalista kaysa sa masa. At ang masama pa dito, maraming miyembro ng masa sa kadahilanang dahil lamang sa wala naman epekto sa kanila ito, or kung totoo ang claim eh masama epekto sa kanila, pinapaboran na ang kapitalista.

Typical na mentality natin, instead na magkaisa tayo para i-challenge ang mitsubishi, ang tina challenge pa natin ay yung mga na-aksidente.

Well alam mo naman ang mga pinoy akala nila eh MMPC will look after their interest, tumanda na tayo sa kalokohan ng mga stealership.

Para sa mga di medyo maintindihan ang issue ng walang shift interlock.

Brake-shift interlock first began appearing on Audi models in the mid-1980s in response to cases of sudden acceleration resulting in injury and death, according to Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the Center for Auto Safety in Washington, D.C.

Yes Audi SUA in the 80s, hence the introduction ng brake shift interlock.

ursuant to a statutory mandate in the Cameron Gulbransen Kids Transportation Safety Act of 2007, NHTSA is placing a requirement in Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 114 that certain motor vehicles with an automatic transmission that includes a “park” position manufactured for sale on or after September 1, 2010 be equipped with a brake transmission shift interlock (BTSI). This interlock must necessitate that the service brake pedal be depressed before the transmission can be shifted out of “park,” and must function in any starting system key position. The BTSI requirement adopted by this final rule is identical in substance to the Congressional requirement.

Yes, matagal pinag laban yang child safety feature na yan.

Naglagay ng brake throttle override ang mitsu sa monty starting 2012 but skimped on one safety device. Lets not forget ang isa pang sakit ng Monty na bigla na lang mag shift sa neutral dahil sa broken solenoid.

[dhisky]

From D to R you need to step on the brakes and press the shift lock kaya parang impossible itong scenario

Most cars today no need to step on the brake, press shift lock lang pwede na. Ang difference lang ata ng Mitsubishi is pwede mag palit ng gear from P w/out stepping on the brake.

That's why I ask that question.

[dhisky]

1. kid is banned from sitting in front.
2. crazy EX-girlfriend.

haw haw haw!

i've always wanted to find out. but i'm scared na baka mabasag ko ang trans, if i put on the brakes at speed and push the stick to R...

Sir what I mean is, w/out stepping on the brake. From D to R derecho

[vvti2.0]

Sabi ng tatay ko, even during the 70's, yung mga Mitsubishi vehicles na issued sa government as part sa loan natin, mga palpakin na raw talaga.

Kaya ayaw nya ng Mitsubishi, pero I am not biased sa Mitsubishi, I like their 4D56 engine na built like a tank. And gusto ko rin ang Montero, pero things like this ang nakakainis na makita sa isang manufacturer na instead na kumbinsihin ang masa na wala issue ang Montero, nakikipagbangayan pa sa consumers.

Di na sila natuto sa ginawa ng AirAsia after nung sa eroplano nila na bumagsak, automatic nag invest sila sa PR. Wala naman mawawala sa kanila kung hihilutin nila ng dahan dahan ang issue.

Simple na PR issue lang ito, kung tinitira sila ng ABS, bakit di rin sila bumayad ng PR man nila sa media.

[dhisky]

Kanina sa SM southmall basement parking.

May magandang slot (parallel) pang 2nd sa line katabi lang ng entrance, may nauna saking 3 sasakyan, I though makukuha na agad pero tini tigilan lang nung 3 sasakyan and nag park sa dulo instead, nung nasa tapat nako napansin ko na dalwang montero pala sa likod at harap "sandwich".

I decided to find another slot instead, wala naman mawawala sakin, mabuti ng maingat

[Ry_Tower]

Ito lang solution dyan sa SUA.



Footbrake.

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[zoomzoom]

Push-Button Shifter na lang. Ma solve kaya driver error nito?

Push-Button Shifter Works Just Fine - 2015 Acura TLX SH-AWD Long-Term Road Test

[kimbon]

kanina bago mag under pass ng shaw north bound, may 2 monty convoy biglang sumingit si monty1 kay fortuner, pinagbigyan lang, tapos bilang tutok naman si monty2 sa likod ni monty1, aba napa slow down na si fortuner. di kaya na paranoid lang si fortuner? kapag may pondo lang tayo bibili pa rin ako ng monty para maging hari ng kalsada. LOL

[niky]

From sir Niky post:

Toyotas sensors are set at different voltages. One runs from 0.5 to 4.5V. The other from 1 to 5V. They will always be reading different voltages through the range of motion of the pedal.

Some manufacturers use reversed sensors... one reading 0-5V, the other reading 5-0V as the pedal is run through its range of motion.

Base on this 2 sensors reading opposite each other di pwede yung sensor ang dahilan ng SUA kasi pag nag fail one of the sensor yung ECU will not response, kailangan may movement yung voltage sa dalawang signal wire ng accelarator pedal.

Example how the engine interpretes the signal:

Senor A = 0.5 volts , Sensor B=4.5 volts - Engine running Idle
Senor A = 4.5 volts , Sensor B=0.5 volts - Engine running full throttle
Senor A = 2.5 volts , Sensor B=2.5 volts - Engine running half throttle

Kung Firmware or program sa ECU, dapat marami yung apectado na montero.

Pero dito sa diagnosis procedure, it mention that to check the connector and repair. pag may defect yung connector possible result is total ground or partial ground. yung distance ng signal wires, ground and 5 volts is more or less 5 mm inside the connector pag nag ka fault yung connector, for example yung connector has loss connection, it will generate heat to melt the plastic or even metal.

Ok lng pag yung dalawang signal wire na totally ground sa 5 volts or ground the ecu will not response as per sir niky post, pero pag yung signal wires is partially ground to 5 volts, this 2 signal wire will read only 2 - 3.5 volts then the ecu will interprete it that there is a movement of voltage betwween 2 signal wire. kaya yung engine will have an RPM of 3K to 5K base on the voltage reading. kaya 1 of victim say that bigla lang umakyat yung RPM to 3K or 4K.

partial ground is possible dahil pag nag melt yung plastic it will create a small resistance between contact.

pero it needs to be prove at posible mangyari ito.

A partial short with a set resistance has been proposed in the Toyota case, but it has to be an exact resistance so that the two sensors will agree, otherwise limp mode.

And of course, if such a partial grounding or melting occurs, it would leave traces that can be found upon disassembly.

A further proposal is that the short could be due to tin whiskers, which can possibly break off after impact, removing the short, but I do believe there would still be dust or bits of loose tin inside the ECU if this occurs... right?

Just thinking out loud for everyone who is posting here.

I am curious about those who are posting wild scenarios about "what ifs" in shifting an AT Transmission.

My question is are you driving an AT transmission vehicle right now? If yes, why is there a need to ask that question? Better acquaint yourself more with your vehicle then.

In all the AT transmission vehicles I've driven I can shift from N to D or R. I can shift from R straight down to D without going full stop or hard brake first. I can't shift from D to R without going full stop.

The only "unique" trait about the Montero AT is that I can pull out the key regardless of where the transmission is, be it P, R, N, or D. For Honda and Toyota (that I've driven), I can't pull out the key if it is not in Park. I haven't attempted in a Nissan as I always shift to P, pull the handbrake and turn off the car. The only reason I found out about this trait of the Montero was because my dad left the vehicle in drive on night and couldnt turn the car on the next day so he called me to help and that's when I saw the state the car was in.

Mitsubishi is the only brand I have experienced where you can start the car in P or N. Since Honda and Toyota prevent you from removing the keys when not in park, logically speaking, when you are getting in to start the car, it is in the position where you left it which is park.

Is there any other car brand that you are aware of that allows you to start from N position of gear lever and also doesnt force you to go to P first before pulling out the key from the ignition.

I dont drive vehicles with push button starts so I also don't know how that has changed this behaviour. Especially in cars like the ASX which is Mitsubishi. Care to share anyone?

Re the topic on SUA : For 2 years, we have minimized the time my dad is behind the wheel of the Montero to almost 0 because he is only really used to driving MT Vehicles. Although there is still doubt that it could be something other than driver error, driver error is still on the high side as to the possible cause.

My two cents

While Mitsu is the only (modern) one I know of in which you can pull out the key in Neutral... all the automatic cars (or almost all) I've driven over the past few years allow you to restart in neutral. This helps when you want to save gas and turn off the engine at very long stops.

The problem with montero is it will allow you to do it, despite of the existing child safety regulation abroad. Sabagay 3rd world country lang naman tayo at dagdag gastos lang yan additional solenoid na yan to comply with the safety standard.

Yun lang. Even if the DTI pinpoints the lack of a safety feature as the reason... if Mitsubishi shows that others lack that safety feature because it is not required here, can they really be punished for it?

Kulang talaga ang local law.

Sa totoo lang, sa mga kaso na ganito, yung nag introduce ng product ang dapat magpakita ng sapat na ebidensya na safe ang produkto nila, hindi yung nakabili.

The difference is, the vehicle has already passed local and regional safety laws. If there is a claimed hidden defect, it is not their job to prove it doesn't exist. It's the government's job to prove that it does. And if proven guilty, the company has to pay up.

This requires an agency to test these vehicles for defects when a customer complains. But from the hearings so far, I doubt the DTI can do it.

Simple na PR issue lang ito, kung tinitira sila ng ABS, bakit di rin sila bumayad ng PR man nila sa media.

Kulang budget? Wala pa yung free Mirage ko.

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I wonder what the guy from Central Diesel will be testifying on. I'm pretty sure he will bring up the inhibitor switch issue, but if he comes up with "runaway diesel combustion", he would need some hard evidence to back it up. Hmm... EGR? SCV? Typically have the opposite effect.

I'm really interested in hearing what the guy has to say. Unlike some of the other media, I'm not fully on the "driver error" bandwagon. I mean, sure, the White Montero, that's obvious driver error. And some of the others on the SUA blog have all the hallmarks of driver error, but several other incidents can not be so easily explained away, which brings up the possibility of mat or mechanical entrapment...

[dhisky]

While Mitsu is the only (modern) one I know of in which you can pull out the key in Neutral... all the automatic cars (or almost all) I've driven over the past few years allow you to restart in neutral. This helps when you want to save gas and turn off the engine at very long stops.

Sir you mean you can pull out the key while engine is running if the gear is in N? or you can pull it out if the engine is off?

[minicarph]

I think dapat na i-class action suit ang Mitsubishi for passing a 90s engine 4d56 with high torque to comoete with Fortuner and other mid-SuVs

Yes it's driver error. But Mitsubishi sold an old engine to a generation na sobrang pampered. The csr is not IDIOT PROOF. Ok lang kung yun tangang driver ang masaktan but if may madamay na pedestrian, kawawa naman.

This car is a deadly weapon na may access ang idiots.


My 2013 Pajero BK has the shift lock and needs to press the brake before shifting. It's not 4d56, it's 4m40 bs or 1. Kaya naman nila eh kaya lang tinipid nila ang Montero para ma-cut throat ang competition.

If it has the ability to harm innocent people regardless if it's human / driver erro, be accountable. Delikado ang car nyo. Sobrang dami ang Montero sa kalsada, kasi mas mura pero not idiot proof.

Kaya pala walang problema ang L300FB and Adventure, though 4d56, eh kasi MT naman,


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I now change my view on this isssue. kudos to abs-cbn for pursuing this, for the safety of the public.

This car is dangerous nit because primarily of a design flaw, but because of the driver, na hindi man lang nila ini-orient the first time they bought it, why? Kasi ma-cocompare at ma discover
na old technology ang engine nila with others.


All Because of PROFIT. Tsk tsk ... Mitsubishi should recall all the Monteros affected and install the safety feature. Ilan taon pa ito tatakbo sa roads na tin?

[minicarph]

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Can any motoring gurus here give a background on this Jake Arellano?

I know some people from Central Diesel, Years ago, our family's starex van was running sluggishly, Hujndai casa by just tinkering diagnosed it na turbo daw. And they want to replace it to the tune of 60k, excluding labor.

So we seek a third party mechanic to dismantle the turbo, and ordered parts from banawe, unfortunately, seiring and fronte dont have the parts and it will take a month for parts to come in.

In hyundai ph forums, i came upon a thread about a central diesel, they vouched for them . So why not coconut, one month naman iiintsyin, so I borught the dismantled starex turbo there.

Pagpunta ko dun, they were too busy to test my unit, a mechanic and a manager inspected the turbo unit visually snd told me that's not defective. What! Sabi ko how csn you tell by just looking at iit? Gsnito na lang sabi nila, have it assembled back the turbo to our stsrex, and bring the entire starex van to ther place in QA.

Long story short kelangan lang pala ng linis ng starex which casa misdiagnosed kagad as faulty turbo to earn big bucks.

They never (central diesel) charged me sa checkup. i saved 60k on turbo.

And i never did bring the starex back to them kasi ngs confident sila na hindi turbo ang sira. They are an honest bunch with the some of the biggest machine shops I've seen dedicated for diesel engines.

So malamang takot nga ang Mitsu sa kanya, becusse they're honest people.