The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[mikey177]

...you should try hearing mass at 8:30 am in home sweet home (the old cicm priests' retirement home near u.p. baguio). not too crowded and jacket-friendly temperatures inside the chapel! sunday mass eb gusto mo?

Baka sa sem break o Pasko pa kami maka-akyat uli sir. Cost-cutting kami for now. Will let you know if we'll be heading your way in the near future

Thanks for the tip on the Sunday Mass venue. We usually attend either at St. Joseph's or the cathedral.

[Lensio]

Hello again my fellow tsikoters,

Medyo matagal tagal me nawala. Masyado m-a-h-a-b-a ang reason kung ipapaliwanag ko. Anyway, sorry sa mga nagpm sa akit na hindi ko na sagot. Hope I am still welcome here :worried:

[leolop]

first day on our carnival and how i survived.

picked it up at the bank warehouse, installed new battery, poured in 3.5 liters of bd to come up with roughly 10% mix (would have been 20% if the maids hadn't thrown away all the 1.5 cola pet bottles), got oil change, and car and muffler wash.

this was really my first test drive and it is indeed a very comfy ride. walang laban ang lubak at humps. it's a risky thing to drive a car that hasn't been run for 6 months, but my inital km gave me a lot of confidence and i ended up driving for 2 and half hours in city traffic.

compared to my old trusty 1.6l toyota corolla gli, it just doesn't have the same rate of acceleration at first gear, but 2nd and 3rd aren't so far behind. the exhaust is still sooty at 3k rpm but a great leap in improvement after the bd had kicked in and the exhaust wash. not so bad smelling too, but definitely not french fries like someone claimed.

everything would have been perfect except... please note my unit has manual transmission (a rare breed)... right in the middle of EDSA, the clutch pedal began to get stuck after being full depressed. as in pag-angat ng paa ko, di sasama ang pedal so it's the equivalent of being cut off at the knees (or being d**kless) since the transmission was not engaged. literally i had to hook the pedal with my foot and pull it up kaya biglang usad yung sasakyan. lagi nang nagstuck pag at least 3/4 down ang pedal.

buti na lang i've gone through worse driving challenges kaya di nagpanic, pero HANEP SA STRESS. nadaan kung timpla timpla na lang ng gas, brake at clutch through about 20 minutes of de-pagong traffic (seemed like hours!) and made it to a supermarket (that's right, yun ang first instinct ko) and got a can of WD40. true enough, the clutch pedal lever joints, though still looking very fresh, had rust. spritz spritz and ok na.

smooth trouble-free sailing to our house and gave the family a ride. smiles and happiness for everyone.

things to get used to:
-no handy hand brake, and look when releasing parking brake so as not to open hood (rookie mistake)
-there is no trunk door lever, because there is no trunk. pero may way ba to open the hatch without getting down?
-big mama 180 turning radius, but not bad at just corners
-knowing it's wide, but not THAT wide so stop overcompensating para di sisisngitan sa kanan
-limited visibility to the left when making a left turn
-no real good place to put collected P200 worth of coins (dati sa ashtray)
-thought of great car with no bank loan

next steps:increase bd mix to 20% and bring to casa for full check up.

long day. exhausted. our carnival is home.

[DacoTyan]

Leolop, congratulations on your new ride! There is a coin tray between the cupholders above the CD holder, won''t hold P200- worth though. The hatch unlocks when you unlock the door. Get used to making 4-point turns instead of 3. The ride is plush specially in the middle row where the engine noise is but a whisper.

[mikey177]

Lensio,

Long time no see. Welcome back

Leolop,

It's a good thing you made it home all right. I thought you had your mechanic with you when you made an initial check of the unit --hindi ba nya napansin yung sticky condition ng clutch?

Anyway, are you sure about ramping the biodiesel mix up to 20 percent? Hindi ba medyo mataas yon, not to mention that you'll need 15 liters of biodiesel for every full tank you load. At P70 per liter of BD, that's more than P1,000 already

If your coins won't all fit in the ashtray, you can try storing them in the bin on top of the dash, sa ibabaw ng center aircon vents. Yun nga lang, baka maingay sila kung dun mo ilagay.

Also, here's something I only discovered after three years of Carnival driving... there is a card holder at the left side of the steering wheel, above the small coin holder thingy. Very useful for storing those NLEX card-type tickets.

Lastly, when it's time to renew your Carnival's registration, you might want to bring it to the casa to have them show you how the stencil for the engine number is taken... it's a real killer.

[leolop]

It's a good thing you made it home all right. I thought you had your mechanic with you when you made an initial check of the unit --hindi ba nya napansin yung sticky condition ng clutch?

Anyway, are you sure about ramping the biodiesel mix up to 20 percent? Hindi ba medyo mataas yon, not to mention that you'll need 15 liters of biodiesel for every full tank you load. At P70 per liter of BD, that's more than P1,000 already

If your coins won't all fit in the ashtray, you can try storing them in the bin on top of the dash, sa ibabaw ng center aircon vents. Yun nga lang, baka maingay sila kung dun mo ilagay.

Also, here's something I only discovered after three years of Carnival driving... there is a card holder at the left side of the steering wheel, above the small coin holder thingy. Very useful for storing those NLEX card-type tickets.

Lastly, when it's time to renew your Carnival's registration, you might want to bring it to the casa to have them show you how the stencil for the engine number is taken... it's a real killer.

the clutch wasn't sticking at the start, there really was no sign of it kaya ang gulat ko when it happened one hour into the drive.

according to the bd thread, 20% for 2 full tanks is remedial to flush out the accumulated dirt in the fuel lines, then change fuel filter and maintain at 1-5% mix. medyo pricey, but i think it's worth it.

guys, thanks for the coin holder suggestions. my daughter also offered her pink plastic piggy bank. i guess i'll just reduce the amount i store, but this is really my emergency money. nangyari na ba sa inyong magbabayad ng parking and surprise! naiwan o walang laman ang wallet?

can someone give me a walk through how to release the spare tire in case i get a flat? and what kind and capacity should the jack be? i'm partial to hydraulic myself. the car didn't come with any. i can't imagine using an alligator jack to lift this thing.

[Trendy08]

hello,
fellow carnival owners.
mejo OT muna ako sa current topic...just ran across this thread while googling...

my unit is a carnival park 2 (gray unit) and it just came from casa, newly overhauled.
just to make it short, I'll give a sequence of events of how it happened.
- weird noise from engine, not from belt but sounded like a bearing problem (few months ignored)
- one night a family member of mine drove it when the oil indicator lit
- he checked everything, there was oil, normal temp etc and nothing seemed to be wrong (wrong assumption)
- next day, car won't start
- casa found the culprit to be the oil pump chain which broke down causing lost of supply of oil to the entire engine
- result overhaul

sabi nung mechanic, he had about 11 cases na of the same problem. when I finally got the unit out, another unit was being brought in with the same problem.
so the key is 1. frequency of change oil (to take care of the oil chain) and 2. do not ignore weird engine noise.
3.IMPORTANT: shut the engine off and have it towed when the oil indicator comes on (probably every driver familiar with an engine would know this but keep your family members/driver informed)

hope this helps and inform you ahead of time in case it happens to you.

ok. enough of the background...have some questions too on my next post.

I hope welcome ako dito.

[Trendy08]

leolop, sa unit ko, na stuck up yung pang release ng spare tire. so what we usually do is just
use a jack to get the tire out. (this is how they steal spare tires).
I use an alligator jack in combination with the jack that it comes with (the one that you turn and turn).

guys, the tip on the use of the coin tray is great. for emergency purposes

Question:
im on a 4-speed ECAT. But lets say your on the foot of a steep ramp. even if I go "2" or "L", and fully depress the accelator pedal, the RPM still stays at 2000. and resulting to poor climbing ability. sometimes I have to kill the A/C unit to get it up to steep ramps or gain momentum first on flat ground.
In my opinion, it engages the clutch immedietly so it doesn't get to any higher rPM. if this was a manual, we probably get the rpm higher and slowly release the clutch.
My ATF is Dexron III. I've tried the cheaper ones, ganun pa din. Ganun ba talaga (I'm thinking this is not built for steep climbs unlike the mitsu delica etc...) pero other than that its great on the road, acceleration lalu na when turbo kicks in, brakes, ride comfort. Hope someone can enlighten me.

thanks in advance!

[Trendy08]

Also, here's something I only discovered after three years of Carnival driving... there is a card holder at the left side of the steering wheel, above the small coin holder thingy. Very useful for storing those NLEX card-type tickets.

Lastly, when it's time to renew your Carnival's registration, you might want to bring it to the casa to have them show you how the stencil for the engine number is taken... it's a real killer.

I agree on the engine number....its hidden somewhere...hirap hanapin!!

Its surprising it took you three years to see the card holder, yup its great for parking cards, etc etc...

[altec]

hello,
fellow carnival owners.
mejo OT muna ako sa current topic...just ran across this thread while googling...

my unit is a carnival park 2 (gray unit) and it just came from casa, newly overhauled.
just to make it short, I'll give a sequence of events of how it happened.
- weird noise from engine, not from belt but sounded like a bearing problem (few months ignored)
- one night a family member of mine drove it when the oil indicator lit
- he checked everything, there was oil, normal temp etc and nothing seemed to be wrong (wrong assumption)
- next day, car won't start
- casa found the culprit to be the oil pump chain which broke down causing lost of supply of oil to the entire engine
- result overhaul

sabi nung mechanic, he had about 11 cases na of the same problem. when I finally got the unit out, another unit was being brought in with the same problem.
so the key is 1. frequency of change oil (to take care of the oil chain) and 2. do not ignore weird engine noise.
3.IMPORTANT: shut the engine off and have it towed when the oil indicator comes on (probably every driver familiar with an engine would know this but keep your family members/driver informed)

hope this helps and inform you ahead of time in case it happens to you.

ok. enough of the background...have some questions too on my next post.

I hope welcome ako dito.

Holy sh*t, I heard that a few weeks ago! Didn't have time to send it in! Padala ko sa casa bukas na bukas!!

[diesoline]

- weird noise from engine, not from belt but sounded like a bearing problem (few months ignored)

trendy08, welcome to tsikot.com. did the sound not go away during the whole time you ignored it? which service center/mechanic cited those 11 cases? re the steep ramp problem, i usually do as you do. make buwelo. it might be because our minivan is a heavy one. but if it can't be avoided and i am left hanging on a steep incline, i find that the D position better than either L or 2. i also found out that shallow pumps on the accelator work better than flooring it.

altec, you had that too? update us with what the casa will find out.

lensio, welcome back! it's great to see your avatar in the thread again. will you put up your carnival/sedona goodies site again?

mikey177, i can't for the life of me figure out where that card slot is. the only thing i see that is remotely like it is the small bin behind the power window controls. is that it?

DacoTyan, thanks for the great tip on the coin slots in the cupholder. and it is only now that i realized that the bin below it is for cds! haynaku....

leolop, try going to your neighborhood vulcanizing shop. bringind down the spare tire cradle is a breeze, it just takes a few turns with a tire wrench. putting it back up is another thing. the vulcanizers have a technique that works a lot better than the one i figured out by myself one cold morning in roadside. hirap i-describe yung technique nila. congrats pala on your new ride!

[mikey177]

Trendy08,

Welcome to the Tsikot forum!

diesoline,

The card holder is over here:

[diesoline]

my aircon vent is different. kaya pala i can't find that dang slot.

[Lensio]

Diesoline sa gray market mo ba nabili carnival mo. In Korea 2001 onwards models (CRDI) they remove that card slot and replace it with the one you have. However, yong connection for handsfree phone only works on korean cellphones. That's why export model was not modified.

OT muna

Maramin na dito sa kalsada yong new carnival III (a.k.a Grand Carnival). Similar engine J3 but all new fuel injection system. WGT (Waste Gate Turbocharger) which is basically a CRDI with a computerized wastegate control. Meaning boost is now controlled by ECU. Kaya Kia was able to increase the hp of Grand Canival to 170ps

Some carshop mayroon silang device to reprogram the ECU to change the boost setting resulting in a more increase hp (200ps??). I was wondering bakit hindi nila ginawang VGT type yong Grand Carnival, siguro overpower na tsaka, canival were not design for racing...

kung titinangnan mo, and development ng turbocharge is really fast. Originally, TCI (Turbocharger Intercooler - obsolete), then come CRDI, after that comes HTI (Highpower Turbo Injection - upgraded CRDI), then VGT (Variable Geometry Turbocharger) and WGT. Pero mas efficient and VGT

For comparison
Carnival I/II (1999-2000) - TCI --->135ps 2.9L J3 Engine
Carnival II (2000-2004) - CRDI --->145ps 2.9L J3 Engine
Hyundai Santa Fe - 2002 - HTI --->120ps 2.0L engine
Hyundai Santa Fe - >2003 - VGT ---> 126ps 2.0L engine
Sorento 2005 --VGT - 175ps --->2.5L engine
Sorento 2005 --WGT - 145ps --->2.5L engine

Here's the catch
New 2005 Kia Pride 1.5L VGT diesel engine ---> 112ps (20km/L)--planning to buy this car, kasi, mahal diesel dito. 1Liter = US$1.10.

[leolop]

is there another way to check the oil chain instead of listening for a weird bearing related noise? i'm brining my unit to wheels tomorrow for a bumper to bumper check up, may as well mention it to them.

trendy08, just for the record and future reference, how much did the overhaul set you back?

[leolop]

Diesoline sa gray market mo ba nabili carnival mo. In Korea 2001 onwards models (CRDI) they remove that card slot and replace it with the one you have. However, yong connection for handsfree phone only works on korean cellphones. That's why export model was not modified.

i have that cellphone attachment on my gray market carnival also. would it work with a samsung or lg phone?

[Lensio]

i have that cellphone attachment on my gray market carnival also. would it work with a samsung or lg phone?

It might work if you have the correct plug. Kung ang fone mo has a phono jack type pero ung newer models na Korean fones have different earphone/handsfree jack, parang USB type na sila ngayon.

[DacoTyan]

Question:
im on a 4-speed ECAT. But lets say your on the foot of a steep ramp. even if I go "2" or "L", and fully depress the accelator pedal, the RPM still stays at 2000. and resulting to poor climbing ability. sometimes I have to kill the A/C unit to get it up to steep ramps or gain momentum first on flat ground.
In my opinion, it engages the clutch immedietly so it doesn't get to any higher rPM. if this was a manual, we probably get the rpm higher and slowly release the clutch.
My ATF is Dexron III. I've tried the cheaper ones, ganun pa din. Ganun ba talaga (I'm thinking this is not built for steep climbs unlike the mitsu delica etc...) pero other than that its great on the road, acceleration lalu na when turbo kicks in, brakes, ride comfort. Hope someone can enlighten me.

thanks in advance!

Sometimes it's better to come to a full stop BEFORE proceeding up a steep ramp. But if that isn't possible, try to jab the throttle to get it to kick down then gently depress the throttle to 2000 rpm and wait for the transmission to catch up then accelerate as needed. Usually works unless I'm loaded then method #1 is better.

I going back to Dexron II-D on my next 5000 km check-up.

Be carefull with the brakes, that's a VERY heavy car you driving now and you need to adjust your braking distance.

That was a good tip regarding the engine number.

[Trendy08]

thanks for the advise about the steep ramps..will try pumping the pedal next time.

diesoline, it went away the moment that the oil indicator lit. my theory is that the oil chain got broken at that time. that's why there is no noise anymore but no oil going up to the engine too. btw, this was at a kia dealer in mandaluyong.

costs is "masaklap" but engine is all ok now. little less than 100k. replaced with bnew piston ring, liner, rocker arms, injectors (this is 9k sa casa, 6k sa banawe!! each!!), engine supports, gaskets, oil etc etc..
some items also could be retained like injectors but opt to replace them since it was not delivering enough fuel anymore (unit was kept for months before I was able to raise the funds, posssibly clogging the injectors) and had a good undergrnd price offer. it caused unsmooth idling which we don't want on a newly rebuilt engine. masama lalu na pag brake in so I replaced it too. this is actually cheap considering na I replaced almost all the vital engine parts. (a little thanks to some underground parts negotiation, even with this, malaki pa rin ang naging cost). its good that I'm out of it na and unit is finally running again

altec, leolop, good decision to have it checked, that's what I should have done if I could only turn back time...hehe

for other gray units, I was told na you have to replace the fuel priming pump with the local version, kasi yung korean version daw has a smaller valve or an opening something. not sure how this will affect in the long run. advise was also, replace of filter every 10000kms and replace fuel priming pump every 20000. Not sure sure why they are advising the pump to be replaced din...on my old sentra diesel, got to 170000kms without replacing that, fuel filter lang pinapalitan ko.
ang hirap kasi, yung owner's manual ko korean version.

also, tip this sa a/c fan sa front, there is a filter right in front of the glove compartment. if you feel there is not enough air coming out from the vent even if nakafull na yung fan, its probably it. usually, its noisy because air couldn't get out. 50% of the dash would have to be taken out though, but you can do it yourself.
don't make a mistake of having the a/c system cleaned (evaporator) when all you really need is to clean this filter. almost did have it cleaned sa a/c shot buti na lang I decided to experiment first hehe


Question:
how do you get the taillights off for bulb replacement?, I tried unscrewing the two screws visible pero can't get em out. can't reach anything din from the inside (there is something you can open on the rear end where you put your tools)...

[altec]

Left my unit in Kia Cebu. I printed out a copy of the overhauled engine that was posted here and gave a copy to the service advisor who used to be the warranty officer for the casa. Was surprised when he said that he knows the owner and was amused that he posted it in the internet. YUP! It happened here in Kia Cebu!! Ayun, naki chismis na rin ako. Very similar to what Trendy said. The local Sedonas were already retrofitted in Korea prior to shipment to the Philippines, so all local sedonas are already ok with the potential fuel pump problem. This happened na rin with the local carnivals, which is equivalent to the park 1 series. But the park 2 series that are imported are still using the old fuel pump design. Kasi yung mga park 2 series are model 2000 only. Yung mga model 2002 or 03 up, inayos na nila sa korea pa lang. So to all you guys using the gray units or the local carnival, watch out for the fuel pump.

Yung sa akin, yung ingay he suspects to be the tensioner bearing. I asked him ano yung ingay kung fuel pump chain ang problema. Mas maingay daw than what I have.
Am waiting for his call to inform me kung ano talaga ang problema.

Trendy, regarding the aircon filter, that was discussed here already several pages back. Try to check it out. But to shortcut it for you, mas may chance na may aircon filter ang gray units. Yung local units, wala. Yung sa akin, wala, tiningnan ko na.

I forgot to have the manual scanned! Sorry guys, Leolop, and Diesoline! Will try to have it scanned when I get the unit out by one of our office staff and see if it be enough to send via yahoo or if not, via cd na lang.