The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[altec]

Di ko naman sinasabi na carnap ang mga gen2 carnivals here. It's just quite unusual for anyone to import brand new. Imagine mo, Sept 2001 ang production date as per Lensio, tapos registered 2001 dito sa Pinas? Normally, those that are brought in here are several years old na in the country of origin. Unless Lensio can also check the status of such vehicle via the VIN kung carnap ba siya o hindi?

My basis naman kasi is my uncle in law who is partnered with a Korean, bringing in all kinds of Kias except Sorrentos. Yung mga sorrentos that are being sold here are 2003-2004 models. In the internet, the resale value nito $18,000 more or less. So how come these units that are top of the line being sold for only 850-950K? Tapos top of the line na walang original key and keyless remote? According to the korean partner, there are 2,000 reported carnapped sorrentos since middle of last year. Out of the 2,000, it is estimated that 50% is sold in Russia, 30% in Vietnam, and 20% here. Kung gusto daw nila, they can buy 1 year old or less sorrentos for 500K from the syndicate. Pero ayaw nila, karma daw. That's why may mga sorrentos binebenta dito na as low as 2,500 km pa lang ang odometer reading.

But thats for the sorrento. Sa Carnival, wala akong balita. Wala naman sinabi ang uncle in law ko, but they bring in gen1 carnivals, very occasional gen2 carnivals.

[leolop]

P500 K FOR A 1 YEAR OLD SORRENTO? elibs ako sa ethics ng uncle mo, karma or no karma. papost naman contact number nung sindikato,... KIDDING!

i think there are importers of brand new gray market units. i'll mention standout in new manila which brings in about 30 starexes a month and concept cars also in qc, who is diesoline's dealer and and as of last week had a crdi carnival for P1.1M and 2 sorrentos for P1.2M each. lensio, totoybato, magkano ba dyan sa korea ang mga unit na ito?

i think my unit was brought in brand new if it was manufactured in 2001 and also registered in same year. medyo ang bilis nga, but not impossible for it to be released september, imported and registered here by october 2001 (xdd-608 ang plaka). the whole timeline for that is just 2 weeks assuming it was shipped out in 3 days after factory release, 1 week for transit and, just 3 days for processing if it was passed through the Bureau of Customs One Stop Shop where you pay duties, taxes and LTO registration in just one transaction.

a friend of mine was skeptical about my carnival for being korean made. gave him a short ride earlier complete with dvd showing of bourne supremacy on our portable player. had to kick him out so i could go home. now, he's thinking about getting his deposit back for the fortuner and looking at the sorrento.

[mikey177]

...a friend of mine was skeptical about my carnival for being korean made. gave him a short ride earlier complete with dvd showing of bourne supremacy on our portable player. had to kick him out so i could go home. now, he's thinking about getting his deposit back for the fortuner and looking at the sorrento.

My officemates were also surprised when they first rode in my Carnival and I revealed to them that it was a diesel. Hindi kasi halata yung engine vibrations at diesel engine noise, lalo na kung nasa second o third row nakaupo.

[altec]

i think there are importers of brand new gray market units. i'll mention standout in new manila which brings in about 30 starexes a month and concept cars also in qc, who is diesoline's dealer and and as of last week had a crdi carnival for P1.1M and 2 sorrentos for P1.2M each. lensio, totoybato, magkano ba dyan sa korea ang mga unit na ito?

i think my unit was brought in brand new if it was manufactured in 2001 and also registered in same year. medyo ang bilis nga, but not impossible for it to be released september, imported and registered here by october 2001 (xdd-608 ang plaka). the whole timeline for that is just 2 weeks assuming it was shipped out in 3 days after factory release, 1 week for transit and, just 3 days for processing if it was passed through the Bureau of Customs One Stop Shop where you pay duties, taxes and LTO registration in just one transaction.

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Come to think of it, most probably the 1st owner got it from these importers/resellers in Manila at those prices, went to the bank to have it financed, tapos naipit at na foreclosed. 1.2M for the sorrento in Manila? Kaya pala nagsabi rin siya na marami ang bumibili sa Cebu tapos pinapadala na lang sa Manila. Chismis nga may complimentary unit si dilg (ano na nga ba ang hawak niya?) Reyes so accomodate the "technical" smuggling of these units. Did you read yung sinunog na bodega sa international port dito sa Cebu with at least 8 units sorrentos, starexes, rextons? These were embargoed units sa panahon ni billy bibit. Scheduled for public auction supposedly. Pero 2 weeks before the auction, biglang "sunog, sunog!!" Super mayaman na si bibit.

[bisoy]

my friend is giving his carnival for 450k. ok na ba yun? ill be spending abt 15k for the freight so lalabas na 465k. is this a good buy na ba at 51t kms, casa maintained at alagang alaga? aircon compressor, brake pads and tires are also new. haaaayyyy..... next wk pa siguro darating ito.

who distributes thule products there sa manila? may name and number kayo? i would like to ask them re the carriers sana. may ladder rin sila sa back? anyone has roof racks installed? paano nyo ina-access ito?

sana hindi ako magsisi sa gen 1 carnival ko....

[Trendy08]

lensio, sent you a pm. sana di carnap unit ko. hehe

yup, nakakinis ang depreciation pero as you've guys pointed out, the resale value of the carnival does not reflect the true value of the minivan. without the brand, just by judging by ride comfort, features etc, i think this model would score high.

[leolop]

Thank god for the unfair public perception that leads to rapid depreciation!!! Pasensya na, just relieved the bank admitted liablity for its mistake and will reduce the price after it's appraised. i agreed as long as the appraiser will base his judgment on the state the car was in a week ago and the fact that it's 2 years older than it was first presented. also gave a counter offer of simple 15% refund to end the dispute.

bisoy, just my opinion, P450k for a generation 1 carnival is slightly on the high side compared to others being offered (check my post on page 48) but is definitely within the fair market value range, especially factoring in you're buying from someone you know and the new compressor and you're sure it was "alagang-alaga".

please correct me if i'm wrong, but you haven't mentioned whether it is LS or RS version. there's a world of difference in features, particularly since it is the LS version which has ABS, a must have for our big daddy vehicle.

altec, the P1.2M sorrento i mentioned is brand new, and i assume has more bells and whistles than the local version which is priced similarly. but there is only a 6 month warranty.

[altec]

Thank god for the unfair public perception that leads to rapid depreciation!!! Pasensya na, just relieved the bank admitted liablity for its mistake and will reduce the price after it's appraised. i agreed as long as the appraiser will base his judgment on the state the car was in a week ago and the fact that it's 2 years older than it was first presented. also gave a counter offer of simple 15% refund to end the dispute.

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Leolop, another 15%? At 420K, that means another 60K discount?!! Di ko alam kung iiyak ako sa tuwa para sa iyo o lungkot para sa resale value ng kotse ko!! Kidding aside, anything lower is really a bonus na talaga. May pera na pang pa gwaping sa ride mo. You started on the right foot by getting a dvd player. If I may suggest, get the one that has wireless frequency, para yung sounds naka connect to the car's existing sound system without a need to install wires. You just choose the FM frequency, set the HU to that frequency, and your kids will not want to get out of the car na! I got an audiovox just like that but installed in my innova because my sedona came with overhead monitor and dvd player installed under the front passenger door, but also using 88.7 FM frequency. Actually, there are several frequencies to choose from, so wherever you are, you have options in case may existing FM station ang frequency.

Bisoy, personally, kung gen1 lang yan, mahal. Even if you pay more for a gen2, worth it. Especially the side doors and rear tailgate. Yung rear tailgate ng gen1, parang revo ang bumper. Walang rubber strip on the bumper to minimize scratches. The side doors are not equipped with a door ajar lock, so pwede siya mag slide back, delikado. The gen2 side doors, however, when opened, stays locked. You have to press the door handle to disengage the lock so you can slide the door closed, a very good safety feature. 3rd, ang layo ng itsura ng dashboard. Yung gen1, parang yung 1990 na corolla. And th gen1 is mechanical pa ang odometer, while gen2 is already digital.

When I used the roof rack once in Dec 2003, I used a monobloc chair to position the bags on the roof. IMO, wala pa akong nakitang carnival or sedona with ladders installed.

Papunta na ako to get my unit from Kia. Will ask questions before I leave the casa and inform you guys what I find out. I heard from a fellow cebuano who sold his carnival that when his injector got clogged, Kia did not honor the calibration as warranty daw, kasi its not part of the engine and clogging is due to owner's usage, and not reflecting the quality of their vehicle. Uhhm, this smilie is perfect description on my reaction to such comment->

[bisoy]

LS daw na variant. ano pala nasa LS na wala sa RS? i remembered he once said na may mga controls ng head unit sa steering wheel. naka integrate daw doon. naka two tone rin ito... black and gray ata. i hope this is a good buy. sana hindi ako magsisisi. please keep your comments coming. thanks

[altec]

I dont know with the gen1, but the difference between gen2 LS and RS are: 2 front air bags, steering wheel HU power and volume controls, roof rack, spoiler, sunroof and dvd player (on some units only during a promo run), better seat upholstery, fog lamps, ABS, mags (RS uses steel rims and hub caps) 2 tone body color, side view mirror body color. Brand new price difference between LS and RS was between 100-150K, I forgot na.

[bisoy]

from his description and ur inputs, mukahng gen 1 nga sya.

ano pala masirain or parating reklamo ng mga gen 1 owners? thanks

[bisoy]

from his descriptions and ur inputs, mukhang LS nga sya.

ano pala masirain o parating nireklamo ng mga gen 1 owners?

[Trendy08]

from his descriptions and ur inputs, mukhang LS nga sya.

ano pala masirain o parating nireklamo ng mga gen 1 owners?

bisoy, im not sure of the minor problems sa gen 1. pero this morning, I brought my unit
for its 1st 1000km engine checkup. sabi sakin nung service, meron na naman daw unit that suffered a broken oil chain.
it was a black gen 1 carnival. ayun, baba ang makina. problem is yung owner daw 3 times lang nagchangeoil in 60000km.
aside from the oil pump, the damaged part was the crankshaft (note that this part alone is 27k casa price). cguro frequent change oil lang to take care of this problem.
sabi ko, bka naman nakasynthetic sya, not sure yung service but they advised me not to use synthetic. di ko alam kung may basis yung advise na yun. hehe anyway, i am thinking na frequent oil change is better than synthetic for the carnival so it is still up to the owner.

i've also noticed some sounds coming from the plastic mouldings sa interior sa gen2. might be true for gen1. not sure if its just my shocks causing the plastics to vibrate or is it just the rubber between the doors. I might try using armor all sa rubber door sidings baka mawala yung rubbing sound.

other than that, parang wala na...ive read one post about a toasted AT. not sure how common this is, pero i've also heard of this sa mga second hand auto sellers. pero personally, no problems encountered on my AT, I even went running uphill on the cheapest gas station ATF sa banaue province wala naman naging problem. now I switched back to dexronIII.

[Trendy08]

note pala na japan made yung AT nito (based on the steel plate attached to the AT). i was expecting korean made pero I found out about this nun binaba yung engine, japanese made pala. can you guys comment on this?

also Question to the experts:
I've attached a picture of the hose near the intercooler. is the one marked with red the one that we need to clean or place the OCC? (see pix)

tapos, anybody who has an idea about the stock alpine radio (see pix). wala kasi akong manual. parang may clock settings ito looking at the LCD pero I don't know how to activate it (this is easier to look at rather than looking up the time sa built in clock ng carnival). not sure if I can add a changer or buy a remote for it din.

anyways, any help would be appreciated. tia.

[bisoy]

nakakatakot pala tong oil chain bumigay ah. so frequent oil change should be enough? frequent meaning every 5k kms naman noh? 80k kms ba nga kailangan palitan yan? nasa preventive maintenance schedule naman yan?

just to update u guys.... we closed the deal at 440k. i will get my carnival by the end of next week. excited na ako. i hope there wont be surprises sa otong ito.

[hotshots]

bisoy, what year model are you planning to buy?? just to let you know, i sold my 2000 kia carnival LS last 2003 for 480k, so for me, 440k is a bit on the high side

[leolop]

ok na rin yang P440k for the 2000 LS. nasa few 10s of thousands na lang naman yung diff between this price and what we perceive to be fair market value based sa mga ads sa buy and sell. by definition, fmv naman is the price agreed between a buyer who is not obligated to buy and a seller who is not obligated to sell. aside from objective factors like the new a/c compressor, meron ding comfort from buying from someone you know.

bisoy, congrats on your new ride!

[leolop]

Leolop, another 15%? At 420K, that means another 60K discount?!! Di ko alam kung iiyak ako sa tuwa para sa iyo o lungkot para sa resale value ng kotse ko!! Kidding aside, anything lower is really a bonus na talaga. May pera na pang pa gwaping sa ride mo. You started on the right foot by getting a dvd player. If I may suggest, get the one that has wireless frequency, para yung sounds naka connect to the car's existing sound system without a need to install wires.

well, we'll see. nagkasisihan sa loob ng bangko over the whole fiasco. medyo nag-asungot itong apprasing group nila dahil sila nabintang for the screw up. heto na, gustong i-appraise based on comparisons to buy and sell prices, ayaw i-base dun sa starting point of P420k and reduce accordingly by another 2 years depreciation.

we got a nextbase portable dvd with wireless fm connection and strapped it on the back of the front jump seat. not really the best brand, pero pang p_r_t_d disney dvds lang naman. yup, ayaw bumaba ng mga bata kung di patayin ang makina at hugutin ang susi.

When I used the roof rack once in Dec 2003, I used a monobloc chair to position the bags on the roof.

cofta and orocan just took over thule's market dominance! wehehehehehe!

[bisoy]

hotshot, yung nakuha ko is a carnival (local) LS version. it was purchased dec2000 daw. got it for 440k. sana hindi ako magsisisi :D

leolp, saan mo kinabit and screen mo? or kasama na yan sa oto? i also plan to put a small screen para matutuwa naman mga bugoys ko. any ideas guys kung saan ito pwede ikabit? thanks

[Trendy08]

nakakatakot pala tong oil chain bumigay ah. so frequent oil change should be enough? frequent meaning every 5k kms naman noh? 80k kms ba nga kailangan palitan yan? nasa preventive maintenance schedule naman yan?

just to update u guys.... we closed the deal at 440k. i will get my carnival by the end of next week. excited na ako. i hope there wont be surprises sa otong ito.

congrats sa new ride. cguro every 5000 is enough, di ko sure kung 10000 ang recommended sa manual kasi korean manual ko, sa MB100 kasi, every 10000.

pero 5000 siguro is ok kung nasa metro manila ka at madalas start/stop traffic, or short trips.

kung madalas highway, kahit 10000 cguro.

re: oil chain, 80km daw ang palit nitong chain na ito accdg sa casa. basta in case na may narinig ka na ingay (obvious yung ingay na ito), ipacheck mo na.

iniisip ko nga dapat yung mga kotse based on running hours din hindi sa mileage lalo na sa metro manila dahil sa trapik. parang barko, based sa running hours ang maintenance hindi sa tinakbo. oh well, that's just my opinion...