The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[leolop]

medyo nawala image ng "The Family Car" but it's pretty good if that's not what your after and want something sporty. ako kasi, less is more, but that's just me.

ito ba yung VIN? KNAMA75121S214817. thanks to the people on this thread i knew before purchasing that it was a gray market model.

[Lensio]

leolop--according to Kia Database, it is confirm that your model is a domestic model and the date of manufacture (release from the factory) was 2001/09/25.

[gregg_g]

leolop--according to Kia Database, it is confirm that your model is a domestic model and the date of manufacture (release from the factory) was 2001/09/25.

Hi Lensio,

Do you know which site where we can access the kia database (pics/result attached)? thanks..

[altec]

teka.something doesnt completely match up. kung sept25 01 ang mfg date, tapos meron 2001 lto sticker siya dito sa pinas, could it be diretso ito sa pinas? O bagong bago pa, carnap na siya sa korea? Kasi it means it was Phil. registered October to December 2001 lang! Ang pagkaalam ko, it takes 30 days to bring cars into the Philippines from Korea.

[totoybato]

kung domestic model (korea) yang nabili mo leolop, in my opinion mas okay yan. Usually kasi pag export model, especially destined for Philippine market, ang dami nang features na inaalis nila. Saka less than 2 weeks lang ang shipping time from Korea to the Philippines.

[bisoy]

hi guys. this is my first post so please bear with me. after months of research and updates from this thread, i have finally decided to buy a carnival over a starex or crosswind. nagkataon a friend of mine is selling his kia carnival. it was bought dec 2000 and has ran abt 51T kms. so far, ang napalitan nya is aircon compressor, tires and brake pads daw.

i have some questions sana. i hope u guys can help me:

1) ganyan ba kadali masira ang aircon compressor ng carnival? this is the first time ill be buying a korean car at nagtataka ako coz my japanese cars are at least 10yrs old at ok pa anaman ang aircon compressor.

2) i plan to buy a roof rack because of frequent trips to the province. marami kaming dala so i think kulang ang space sa likod. are the roof rails on top for esthetics only or functional naman talaga sila? upto how much weight can they carry? if i put a roof rack, paano ang access ko doon? i havent seen a carnival with a ladder kasi sa likod.

3) ano ba ang masirain sa carnival para mas tutok ako dyan?

4) i read abt the oil chain problem. i hope hindi ito mangyari sa akin? ano ba preventive maintenance dito? dapat every ilang kms ba ito pinapalitan? ano pwedeng gawin para hindi ito mag deteriorate ng mabilis? frequest oil change lang? would synthetics do a better job?

5) ang nahawakan ko na diesel engines puro isuzu lang. these are chain driver so walang timing belt. paano naman sa kia? may timing belt ba? dapat how many kms ba ito pinapalitan? mga magkano naman kung sa casa ipapagawa?

6) minsan medyo mausok daw. what they do is clean the muffler lang at ok na daw ulit. i read in this thread that cleaning the intake manifold and putting an oil catch can can help. eto na ba ang solution sa problema natin? has anyone actually tried the oil catch can?

7) ano feul consumption nyo? this has an automatic transmission. sabi ng friend ko 8-12kms/l daw.

8) the 2nd row is bench type and the third row is parang crosswind na facing each other. can i put the 2nd row sa likod and buy myself a pair of captain seats? how much would i be spending and where can i buy these?

9) whats a good price of this model (unit bought dec 2000)? ayaw kong baratin friend ko kasi nakakahiya. ayaw ko naman yung talo ako. 51tkms na ang natakbo. stock trim ito. he replaced the aircon compressor, tires and brake pads na. casa maintained rin daw ito. what do u guys think? he mentioned na two-tone na daw ito. meron ba talagang lumabas na 2-tone? i have not seen the actual unit coz unit is in manila and im based in cagayan de oro. pero i trust my friend naman na wala daw kaialngan gawin. never been to an accident except a few bumps sa bumpers.

thanks for reading my long post. hope you guys can help me out. thanks.....

[Trendy08]

sir altec,
I hope you find the cause and solution to your injector problem soon.
kung malinis kaya yung injector, di kaya na force out kasi yung dumi causing it to open a bit. so malinis pa din sya kasi lumabas na yung dirt.
kung water po ang cause, lumulusot ito sa fuel filter diba? so kahit frequent change ako ng fuel filter, ganun din? ??

yung sakin naman, i was suspecting the diesel injector cleaner from mitsubushi motors, i used one and the consumption and performance got better. nawala din yung usok. pero might have caused the wear on my injectors. i can never be sure.
so far after the overhaul, I came from tagaytay yesterday, lahat naman ng climbs pati yung steep road sa highlands e wala nang usok, but I will continue to clean the exhaust monthly. meron kasi occasional smoke after starting the engine, there is that distinguished smell of the carnival's smoke, iba yung amoy nito e hehe


leolop, i have the same markings/tailights and color as yours.
i can also fold the mirrors or window down few seconds after switching off.

bisoy, welcome sir. newbie din ako.
here are some of my answers, pa verify nalang po sa iba para more accurate info:
consumption, on my first 500kms after the overhaul, so far, 6.52km/liter, 5 persons, city driving and uphill combined. my 500-1000kms, is still to be determined. post ko next time.
on nice smooth highways, before the overhaul, it can go to 11km/liter, or kung sobrang walang stops cguro more than.
mine has an ECAT switch "power mode" and "eco mode", pag power, parang mas malakas yung consumption, I haven't tried using power all the time.

sa oil chain naman, ang sabi sakin is every 80k daw ang palit nito. not sure if that is what is on the manual.


questions:
is there a recommended brand of shocks for the carnival? i plan to replace them, matalbog na kasi. thanks!!

i read something about the tires din, im using dunlop din, yung may nakasulat na "digityre", mga 2,300 isa. mahal cguro yung le mans?

[totoybato]

i can also fold the mirrors or window down few seconds after switching off.

Ganyan din yung sa aking hyundai. baka ganun talaga yun

[mikey177]

Lensio,

Hindi kasi ako mahilig sa mga body kits, lalo na dito sa probinsya, masikip ang daan kaya parang si leolop, "less is more" for me. Besides, mas gusto ko nang stock yung itsura ng kotse pero magugulat na lang sila sa tulin ng takbo nya, kaysa sa naka-body kit pero wala naman ibubuga pag nagkahatawan na

Anyway, out of curiosity, may nagkakarera ba ng Carnival sa Korea at very sporty ang dating ng mga Carnival dun?

bisoy,

Can't answer all of your questions, since my unit is a local 2002 Sedona RS, but here is my take on the following:

1) ganyan ba kadali masira ang aircon compressor ng carnival?...

My Sedona is only 3 years old but it has already logged over 96,000-km. I haven't had any problems with the aircon compressor during this time. The problem I experienced a few months ago was a leak in the pressure switch, which I had replaced for P680.

2) i plan to buy a roof rack...

I personally don't have or need a roof rack, but I've seen several Carnivals on the road that have roof racks installed. Access would most likely be by stepping on the side of the van after you have opened one of the sliding doors.

3) ano ba ang masirain sa carnival para mas tutok ako dyan?

When my ride was 2-1/2 years old, the shifter cable broke. You can read about the incident here.

5) ang nahawakan ko na diesel engines puro isuzu lang. these are chain driver so walang timing belt. paano naman sa kia? may timing belt ba? dapat how many kms ba ito pinapalitan? mga magkano naman kung sa casa ipapagawa?

When I had my 80,000-km PMS, the casa replaced a lot of suspension-related parts due to wear and tear. I travel daily along McArthur Highway so I expected as much.

They also replaced the timing belt during this time. The manual I have says the timing belt should be replaced every 100,000 km, but Wheels New Manila recommended I have it done at 70,000 km. Since I couldn't be in Quezon City when my ride hit 70,000 km, I had it done at 80,000 km instead.

The breakdown of the cost of the timing belt and other parts replaced during my 80,000-km PMS is here.

7) ano fuel consumption nyo? this has an automatic transmission. sabi ng friend ko 8-12kms/l daw.

Yes, I average something like that, even though mine is a manual --kaskasero kasi e

8) the 2nd row is bench type and the third row is parang crosswind na facing each other. can i put the 2nd row sa likod and buy myself a pair of captain seats? how much would i be spending and where can i buy these?

It cost me P15,000 when I had it done three years ago at Wheels New Manila, inclusive of parts and labor.

9) ...meron ba talagang lumabas na 2-tone?...

The two-tone models are the higher end LS version. The RS version, like mine, comes in solid colors and lacks several features like the sunroof, airbag, CD player, etc.

bisoy, Gen 1 ba yung Carnival na binebenta ng friend mo o Gen 2?

[bisoy]

mikey, how will i know if gen 1 or 2 sya? diba ang gen 2 sedona na ang name? carnival pa ata to. so i guess gen 1? tama ba?

thanks sa mga inputs mo mike. i wonder how much a roof rack costs. any ideas? or generic ones will do? any idea ano weight capacity kaya ng roof rail natin? i heard yung crosswind pang decoration lang daw.

whats a good price for this ride kaya?

[altec]

Bisoy, welcome dire sa sedona forum! Ikaw ba ang bisoy didto sa f1clubphil? Going back to tagalog, check out motioncars.com. Yung nasa review nila, yun yung gen1. Notice the front, the dashboard, the rear. Gen2 is like the pictures of leolop's ride when he was thinking of buying it. Notice the difference in rear lights, and more so with the dashboard. The seating configuration you mentioned meron sa lahat ng gen1, and was the original setup for local gen2, already renamed as sedona, while gen2 is called carnival park 2 in korea. My sedona is still in the shop but I recall reading the manual and it said max roof load is around 150kgs or was it 300 kgs? Konti lang ang kaya ilagay sa roof rack.

Lensio, ang gandaaaa ng front grills! All of them! Except di ko type yung side skirts. Tama, di bagay ang sporty look sa sedona/carnival.

Speaking of my ride, tumawag ako sa kia. Sabi nila confirmed nasa injection pump ang problema, may dumi. Di pa daw affecting, but later on it will cause smoke belching, and lower power output. I asked if they have injection tip/pump cleaner like mitsubishi motors, wala daw sila. Sa kanila, dapat ipadala sa calibration to have it cleaned. But he has to send a report to manila to inquire if this is under warranty or not. Sabi ko, whatever it is, Kia still suggests to have it calibrated, which means opening up the pump. It's better kung original di ba? So I plan to pull it out while waiting for the reply of Kia Manila. In the meantime, I called up the Australian who supplies me with superior oil/fuel additive. Nag set kami either Thursday or Friday pagbalik niya from Bacolod. We tried in our trucks yung additive niya directly on the injectors to clean it up, nawala ang bara o ang smoke belching. We even tried that on pumps that were noisy and clunky, tumahimik. Since they are planning to open it up, sabi ko subukan ka na rin. Who knows, baka maayos.

When I asked what kind of filter is on my sedona why nakalusot pa rin ang dumi (take note they drained the sedimentor, walang dumi o tubig lumabas), it was already the new type (attention lensio). Kakausapin ko ulit yung tao bukas when I pull out the unit and let you know.

[bisoy]

yes, im bisoy of f1club pero doon lang ako bastusin :D matino ako sa ibang forums bai!

thanks for the input altec. matanong ka pala, how do i access the roof rack? i plan to put a carrier kasi sa taas. i havent seen a carnival with steel ladder sa likod. someone suggested stepping on the side after sliding the door open. pero parang di pa rin abot yung taas eh if i plan to put some boxes. ok na yung 300kgs na capacity sa taas. most luggage naman are bulky but not really heavy.

whats a fair market value of the carnival i just mentioned? i will be talking to my friend tom kasi.

saan pala ako makakuha ng mga accessories for the carnival? any shops in mind? phone numbers and contact eprsons please?... thanks

[Trendy08]

altec, good to hear that the cause is known.
btw, OT: im planning to use biodiesel soon. I've been reading the thread (ang haba na kasi nito, mejo lampas halfway na ako) and it proves that
bd has a lot of positive effects for our Vs.
after po cguro malaman how the dirt got into the injection pump. might try it out.
actually, a friend of mine who used to work for sea oil recommends it even before pa lumbas sa market. sabi nya it was also tried on their sea oil ships...malaki daw ang natitipid sa diesel.

[mikey177]

mikey, how will i know if gen 1 or 2 sya? diba ang gen 2 sedona na ang name? carnival pa ata to. so i guess gen 1? tama ba?

Actually, the gray market Gen 2 Carnival still carries the Carnival badge, only the locally distributed Gen 2's are badged as Sedona. Check out page 45 of this thread, and you'll see from the pictures that leolop and I posted how the tail light of the Gen 2 Carnival looks.

Another difference is that the hood scoop for the Gen 2 seems more integrated with the hood, as compared with the Gen 1 hood scoop.

Sorry, wouldn't know about fair market value for year 2000 Carnivals. You could try checking Buy and Sell, or maybe ask around at a bank.

[altec]

I saw on carfinderph.com a 1999 kia carnival park offer price 449K, looks like the sedona so gen2 siya. Normally carfinder prices on the high end. But is an indicative price. Meron pa iba, sa autolink.ph pero offline ang site ngayon. Gives a good guide to going rates. But you have to be conscious to determine the model type, not based on the registration year because of gray units. Mas maganda ang gen2 than the gen1 and its not just aesthetics. Major differences: dashboard, side doors, headlights and tail lights.

[altec]

im planning to use biodiesel soon. I've been reading the thread (ang haba na kasi nito, mejo lampas halfway na ako) and it proves that
bd has a lot of positive effects for our Vs.
after po cguro malaman how the dirt got into the injection pump. might try it out.
actually, a friend of mine who used to work for sea oil recommends it even before pa lumbas sa market. sabi nya it was also tried on their sea oil ships...malaki daw ang natitipid sa diesel.

Trendy, access the following, its my research on biodiesel.

http://www.kotse.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2718

[diesoline]

bisoy, welcome to tsikot.com and to this thread. i went to thule san juan last year for a look-see at their products. they have installed carriers to many carnivals and sedonas but they suggest replacing the stock cross bars supplied with the car with new thule bars. while the stock rails (the bars that run along the length of the roof) have good rated load capacity daw, the cross bars don't.

lensio, ok nga mga grills ng ixion. i also like the crate like 2005 grill carnival grill that was displayed in your website. lensio, pwede pa-check din ang vin ko? i bought my locally on feb 2004 but the seatbelt tag was dated sometime 2003.

altec, can you please elaborate on the carnapped korean units? update us too on your upcoming superior additive experiment.

[leolop]

bisoy, welcome to the thread! why don't you ask your friend to take pics of his unit and send them to you. in turn you can post them here so we can get a better idea of what your buying.

during my search for a car, i came across a local gen1 2000 a/t model of carnival being sold in automall in pasay. it was the LS variant, the more expensive one. makinis and original pa ang paint and had 60k mileage on it, supposedly previously owned by a pop singer. the last price of the seller was P430k. i thought it was pretty good purchase.

buy and sell on line also lists several units in this price range. here's what i found at their website www.buyandsellph.com :

CARNIVAL SEDONA 2002 535,000 M/T, new body, loc ver, very fresh, TDIC, all power.
CARNIVAL LAND 2001 438,000 (neg) M/T, green, 60Tkm, EP #4.
CARNIVAL LS 2001 510,000 7seater, Capt seats, red, w/ VCD.
CARNIVAL LS 2001 498,000 A/T, 1st owned, financing/trade-in ok.
CARNIVAL 2000 435,000 (neg) M/T, diesel, EP #3, 87Tkm.
CARNIVAL LS 2000 450,000 (neg) M/T, turbo diesel intercooler, all orig. CARNIVAL LS 2000 435,000 (neg) M/T, TDIC, all orig, 1st owned.

in the end, i took a chance on a repossessed gray market generation 2 carnival which was represented to me as 2 years old but turned out to be 4 years old, but this is not a good barometer because there were risk factors (could not test drive, not used for 10 months, negligent seller which didn't show the age truthfully) not present in other units in the market. not too mention magagalit na naman si altec at diesoline at bumababa resale value ng kanilang mga units each time i mention it. hehe.

altec, i don't even want to think about my carnival being carnapped! basta buyer in good faith ako. glad to hear that your car has been diagnosed. that's half way to solving the problem.

i've had my unit for 6 days now and i've logged only 140 kms on it with daily use, igsi kasi ng route ko and alangan pa ako itakbo outside of metro mla. i guess it will take me about 1 month and a half to use up 2 full tanks before changing my fuel filter as recommended on the biodiesel thread.

[leolop]

leolop--according to Kia Database, it is confirm that your model is a domestic model and the date of manufacture (release from the factory) was 2001/09/25.

thanks for looking it up, i'll keep this handy in case the bank wants more proof of their negligence. but can you also post the url of the website you accessed. gandang reference.

[leolop]

Check out page 45 of this thread, and you'll see from the pictures that leolop and I posted how the tail light of the Gen 2 Carnival looks.

bisoy, check out diesoline's pic on page 40 of this thread for a pic of the generation 2 carnival.

just to add to your info, a brand new RS variant of the local sedona, gas V6 engine is offered at P995,000. a gray market dealer is offering a brand new gen2 carnival, 2.5l diesel crdi at P1.1M. it's a good idea to gauge a price of a 2nd hand unit against the brand new price.