The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[jabr]

anymore input is greatly appreciated ..........[/QUOTE]

Hi Kenzie,

Please check the condition of your auto-tensioner. Defective auto tensioner puts too much pressure on the alternator belt that may lead to its premature breakage. HTH.

[mintoy]

hi mga peeps,

question, i noticed that when the ignition is turned on (engine is not running) the main fan would turn on after around 15 sec. this happens even if the car has not been started and the engine is cold. is this normal?

[celd15b]

yehey, finally naka post ako......

anyways, we recently bought a 2000 model carnival ls, manual...medyo madami ako question..first time ko mag ka diesel na sasakyan...sana masagot ng mga ka tsikoteeers here..here goessssssssssssss

1. gano ba katagal ang pag warm up pag first time mo start ang makina?
do u need to warm up again everytime na mag succeeding start ka ulit?

2. how about after a 30 min or 1 hr and so on travel, how long ang cool down? do u need it?

3.baka meron kayo copy ng mga fuse label sa engine bay?
baka meron din kayo copy ng manual ng carnival?

4. aside from casa, any good mechanic or shop na pwede nyo ma suggest that deals with a carnival...ex ng work: change timing belt, tune up, etc......

5. pag pinapatay ko ung makina , bangit nanginginig ung kotse ng sandali?

6. anybody knows where can i buy ung copper contact sa may mismong loob ng susuian? or do i really need to buy the whole assembly? may times kasi na hirap i start ung car, click lang ng click..batt is ok and so is the starter....i had time na kinalikot ko ung susian and ung culprit is ung maliit na contact dun...may remdyo ba dito? nilagyan ko lang kasi ng grasa...ill post pics when i have time..tnx...

7. ano no. ng fuse ng reverse/back up light?

pasensya na kung madami tanong...worried lang ako kung pano ma maintain ang diesel engine eh...sana masagot nyo...tnx.....ung iba pag na isip ko na..hehehehe...TNX

kay sir bing, salamat din sir...sa wakas naka post na ako...yehey

[yapoy86]

1. basa basa ka ulet sa thread nasagot na yan.. ako kasi pag sakay ko start engine check mirrors, ayos upuan, suot seatbelt tapos alis na

2. basa basa ulet sa thread nasagot na yan... you only need it if you drive it hard as in hard...

3. basa ulet sa thread may link na yan

4. taga san ka ba?? marami na din marunong sa carnival ngayon.. basa ka sa thread para malaman mo mga possible problems at syempre ang solution..

5. normal lang na may shudder ng konti pag pinatay engine... pero check mo din engine supports.. mura lang engine supports nyan lalo na yung front and rear medyo mahal lang yung left and right

6. papalitan dyan copper contacts ng starter.. hindi ng susian.. 150 pesos lang yun copper contacts sa pasay..

7. check mo sa fuse box or manual.. check mo din bka pundido na bulb

[celd15b]

1. basa basa ka ulet sa thread nasagot na yan.. ako kasi pag sakay ko start engine check mirrors, ayos upuan, suot seatbelt tapos alis na

2. basa basa ulet sa thread nasagot na yan... you only need it if you drive it hard as in hard...

3. basa ulet sa thread may link na yan

4. taga san ka ba?? marami na din marunong sa carnival ngayon.. basa ka sa thread para malaman mo mga possible problems at syempre ang solution..

5. normal lang na may shudder ng konti pag pinatay engine... pero check mo din engine supports.. mura lang engine supports nyan lalo na yung front and rear medyo mahal lang yung left and right

6. papalitan dyan copper contacts ng starter.. hindi ng susian.. 150 pesos lang yun copper contacts sa pasay..

7. check mo sa fuse box or manual.. check mo din bka pundido na bulb

sir actually nag back read na ako many times..kaso di ko talaga makita...nag re rent lang din kasi ako ng comp..kaya mabilisan lang din ako..hehehe

sir taga las pinas ako......also re sa copper contacats ng starter san po exactly sa pasay?para makabili na rin ako..kasi medyo hassle pag ginagamit ko ung car..pag tinopak hassle talaga pag di nag start......

sir ung sa backup light naman, ok ang bulbs..wala kasi nakasulat na backup/reverse light sa fuse box sa may loob ng car, ung sa engine bay ko, wla ako label...kaya baka meron sa inyo dyan........makopya ko lang....


also, so ibig nyo sabihin is pag start ng makina pwede na umalis ulit, as in no need of really warming up...ako kasi since new ako sa diesel with turbo engine, ang gawa ko is warm up for around 5 mins...then drive..then pag narating ko na destination ko, cool down for at least 2-3 min, kahit biyahe ko lang is 30 min or so......

ung pag nginig pala is engine support pag pinatay makina? dalawa lang kasi napalitan ko na engine support.......ill check again


tnx sir......

[celd15b]

is this true?

posted by francisy2003

"Oh by the way, to j3 engines/carnival owners, I’ve done some experiment as I notice that the j3’s engine uses identical timing belts with the Mitsubishi 4g63 engine (P1600/pc lang compared to the KIA OEM which is 3500++). I tried using it and it works… I just hope it last as the OEM of KIA. Will keep you posted on this little experiment of mine."


nabasa ko lang here..hehehe

[yapoy86]

sorry bro nabenta ko na kasi kia carnival ko eh... siguro isa isahin mo na lang yung fuse makikita mo naman agad yan pag putok... also check mo din yung reverse light switch baka sira or disconnected...makikita mo yan sa side ng transmission but you need to remove the air filter housing para ma-access yan sabay mo na pag check nyan pag baba ng starter mo kasi tanggal din yan para ma-access starter...

yung copper contacts meron yan sa pasay hindi ko lang alam kung saan binili ng tatay ko... pero try mo sa GOODGEAR yan kapatid ni FRONTE..sigurado meron yan dun

sa umaga lang yung konting warm up mga 60 secs lang ok na yan.. hindi naman nag yeyelo dito sa pinas eh..kung nagamit mo na at pumarada ka lang no need pa para mag warm up alis ka na agad.. pero syempre wag naman yung hataw ka agad.. yung cool down applicable lang lets say nasa hiway ka running at 140kph at 4000 rpm tapos bigla ka na CR sa gas station syempre cool down mo muna bago mo turn-off pero kung city drive lang tapos ang running rpm mo up to 2000rpm lang no need na mag cool down pa.. better kapag malapit ka na sa destination mo mag slow down ka na para hindi ka na mag cool down..

kung taga las pinas ka punta ka kay mang rogher dito lang yan sa loob ng red ribbon tapat nung pamplona lumber.. sya tumira nung carnival ko nag palit ako ng timing belt at valve gasket... magaling yan talaga gumawa.. dati lagi may leak yung valve cover ko sya lang ang nakasolve maganda kasi siya maglapat expert talaga...

sa timing belt ewan ko kung pwede nga AFAIK mas maganda pa din ang orig.. dun sa FRONTE banawe binigyan ako ng GATES timing belt unang start pa lang bumigay agad buti naagapan nung mekaniko..kaya binili ko na CONTITECH original german made OEM yan ng carnival check mo lang teeth count meron 151 at 150 ata dapat parehas ng teeth count.. iba yung quality ng CONTITECH matigas at talagang makapal...yung nga luma kong t-belt buong buo pa after 90000kms

[celd15b]

sir, tnx..malapit lang ako dun sa may red ribbon..siguro hanapin ko na lang si mang rogher...may shop ba sya?


ganun lang pala pag warm up.....aksayado na pala ako sa diesel...hehehehe..ang tagal ko kasi mag warm up...pati pag shutdown ang tagal ko din gawin....tnx again sir..


ung sa copper contacts kasi, nagtanong ako sa fronte, at ung isang shop sa banawe with the red sign, basta kia parts etc, din ang binebenta..pero fronte ang that other shops were giving me the whole assembly...ung susian plus the other key hole lock...of course with new keys...eh ayoko naman..sayang kasi kung papalitan ko.....basta ung culprit is ung copper contact na talaga...
nag try din ako ng diy, niliha ko ung contacts and cleaned it, then grasa ng konti...kaso as usual pa sumpong sumpong....minsan mag start minsan hindi...
sana lang meron nga sa goodgear.....

tnx again sir yapoy...


----anybody else who can provide me with the manual and fuse labels?
ung isang post kasi dito para sa manual download eh, parang close na ata..baka meron pa kayong iba dyan..tnx

[yapoy86]

bro, tinutukoy ko yun copper contacts sa starter mismo hindi yung key assembly...ibaba starter nyan para palitan yung copper contacts nung contactor... napupudpod kasi yung copper sa lakas ng impact nung contactor when starting...

madali lang gawin yan..

[yapoy86]

hi mga peeps,

question, i noticed that when the ignition is turned on (engine is not running) the main fan would turn on after around 15 sec. this happens even if the car has not been started and the engine is cold. is this normal?

based dun sa kia carnival ko dati tingin ko hindi normal yan.. kasi saken hindi naman nag trigger ang fan when the ignition is turned on... check mo wirings baka ma loose or sira yung thermoswitch

[celd15b]

sir yapoy, iba pala intindi natin sa copper contacts..hehehe
anyways i was able to fix it...i found a shop somewhere in pasay who sells only ignition key assy....got it for 600 petot..now ok na pag start ko..one click...tnx..


bad news?

here goes......last sat when i started the car, i heard this squeaking sound coming from the right side.....it went away after mins. of driving....but until now meron pa rin at parang lumalakas lalo...what can this be? anyone might know? also ano ba difference ng grinding sound sa squeaking sound?
nag alala ako baka ung oil pump chain...kasi sabi nila u would hear a grinding sound that would not go away....


also that afternoon after driving i had the time to kalikot the car, i disassemble the filter and the filter box leading to the turbo...and damn to my surprise i found some traces of oil dun sa short tube leading to the turbo...the turbo also had a drip of oil, in short meron oil....this got me worried.......
then when i remove the intercooler to access the engine cover, damn again there was so much oil dun sa gitna ng valve cover, ung may gap na part sa gitna.....


ang tanong, ano kaya cause nun? malala na ba? or kaya pa remedyuhan? this really got me worried...pero ung oil ko di naman nababawasan (sa dipstick) un nga lang ang dumi na since may last oil changed about a month ago...


pls help..



also:
can i clen the intercooler? if so with what?

tnx.....

[yapoy86]

for the oil in the turbo actually normal talaga yan sa carnival.. kaya some carnival owners here installed an oil mist separator to at lease minimize the problem...like me...malakas kasi ang turbo ng carnival kaya higop lahat... for the intercooler you can clean that using diesel fuel lagyan mo lang ng diesel then alog alog mo lang medyo messy nga lang pag linis nyan.... yung sa valve cover papalitan lang valve cover gasket nyan mga 300 pesos yun.. sabay mo na palinis ng intake manifold... tapos pa block mo na EGR mo to prevent gunk build up at intake manifold..tapos yung BOLT ng valve cover papalitan mo din rubber washers or you may add metal washers to push the valve cover more against the engine keeping it more sealed..

sa diesel engine normal po na maitim ang langis kahit newly changed oil... walang problem yang engine mo normal lang talaga na may oil dun due to the PCV lahat ng diesel engine ganyan kahit gas engines hindi nga lang kasing lala ng diesel engine kasi high compression combustion ang diesel engines..you just need to change the things i mentioned..

yun squeaking possible problem is yung crankshaft pulley mo eh malapit na palitan or kailangan mo lang mag palit ng serpentine belt..yung crankshaft pulley mga 4k yun yung belt mga 700 pesos..

buti naman na solve na problem mo sa ignition key pala.. pero watch out din yung sa starter.. kasi common problem ng carnival gen 1 yung copper contacts ng starter...pag umulit yan "click" starter na yan

[boquito]

----anybody else who can provide me with the manual and fuse labels?
ung isang post kasi dito para sa manual download eh, parang close na ata..baka meron pa kayong iba dyan..tnx

sir celd: I live near Makati Med but my Sedona is Gen 2. I hear that the difference is only the shell and instrument panel layout, though. If you are interested you can text me at 09212227035 to schedule photocopy of manual. You can also take a picture of my fuse box cover for the labels.

guru altech: welcome back! I am glad that you have not completely given up on our Sedona.

[boquito]

sir ung sa backup light naman, ok ang bulbs..wala kasi nakasulat na backup/reverse light sa fuse box sa may loob ng car, ung sa engine bay ko, wla ako label...

sir celd: my back up light also did not light up when it was supposed to. The problem was not with the fuse, it was (as guru Yapoy already figured it out) the switch at the transmission. It just needed to be reattached after my transmission overhaul.

[kenzie]

Yapoy, MIntoy, Jabr, sa lahat po ng nagreply sa post ko thanks po...

Naputol un alternator belt ko last week so....the culpirt was tensioner dapa na raw sbe nung mechanic , okey pa daw un crankshaft pulley ko...palit ako tensioner, sbay na din brake pads and axle boots at the same time...post ko how much naging total nasa bahay lang un receipt pero sa fronte ko lhat nakuha parts.....


thanks ulit sa lahat ng tumulong next project timing belt na....may timing belt kit ba? any advice ulit mga bossing...CONTITECH ba ginamit mo idol yapoy? howmuch damage nun...gudpm sa lahat

[yapoy86]

i used CONTITECH brand.. cost 3,200 pesos .. try contacting jcastillo here in tsikot i think he has parts for the carnival.. yan kasi ang ORIG part for timing belt.. iba ang tibay at kapal nyan compared sa iba.. i also replaced tensioner and belt guides overall parts cost around 9k..

lahat yata ng common problem ng carnival ko noon na experience ko and all was solved easily.. ang hindi ko lang na experience is yun sa oil pump.. so sa ibang owners dyan post nyo lang problems nyo para matulungan kayo..

ako lang kasi nag rerepair at maintain ng carnival ko noon kaya halos na kabisado ko na yan lahat pati pag baklas hehehe..

also try nyo din linisin yung breather filter ng gas tank nyo.. nasa ilalim yung ng gas tank sa side makikita nyo maliit na filter.. makakatulong din ito to improve engine performance kasi fuel tanks may have vacuum or air build up that may affect engine performance..

[celd15b]

sir, boquito, many tnxs...ill contact u if ever na magawi ako banda dyan sa place nyo..., ano nga pala itsura nung backup switch near the transmission, san din sya malapit....tnx



sir yapoy; maraming salamat talaga sa mga tips and helps nyo....anyways, i had the time to check under the carnival...dami talaga oil....i guess gawin ko na lang ung na mention nyo also ano ba ung serpentine belt? un talaga ung name nya?

also baka may mga tips kayo dyan kung ano ano ung mga pwedeng i DIY...mahilig kasi din ako mag DIY.....hehehehe


also, nawala na ulit ung squeaking sound ko...nung nag squeak pa sya, pina kinggan ko and somewhere sya sa timing belt area.....possible ba na timing belt na?


anyways, enjoy naman kami sa carnival namin...un nga lang mas madami maintenance..

good side naman:

ask ko lang kung ung third row na upuan can be folded down frontward all the way?
how about the 2nd row captain seats, pwede din ba i fold frontward na all the way din?bka kasi may pindutan pa na di ko alam pa.. para san din pala ung sa likod ng captain seats na parang dalawang bilog?
ano pa ba mga surprises ng carnival? for ex recently ko lang na discover na ung captain seats eh pwede pala i rotate...hehehehe



tnxtnxtnxtnxtnx:

[yapoy86]

check mo yung air intake tube kailangan naka pasok yan maigi dun sa turbo at naka clamp ng ayos kasi yung oil mist from PCV naiipon dyan kaya tumutulo...simple lang gawin yan..also check mo yung oil pan mo bka need na ng gasket.. same with valve cover

serpentine belt ang tawag sa belt na manipis pero matibay.. kaya serpentine kasi para yan snake na maraming bends sa mga pulleys unlike ng V-belt na uni directional lang.. papalitan mo na belt nyan sa akin kasi yung serpentine belt ko orig pa eh mukha lang sya buo pero manipis na pala..hindi kasi basta basta napuputol yan lalo na kung maganda mga tensioners mo.. kahit mukhang buo pa kapag 4 years na ang belt need na change

yung upuan sa 3rd row kung bench type yung mismo upuan ang matitiklop tapos pwede mo na slide yung buong upuan forward.. may swtich yan sa gilid..

yung reverse switch makikita mo sa driver side malapit sa ABS controller.. pero mahaba yung wire connection nyan nasa malapit dun sa shifter sa ilalim ng air filter assy

[francisy2003]

Hi celd15b,

Please try the link below. I got this file from a fellow kia tsikoteer member unfortunately I could not remember who (many thanks to him)... Anyway I was able do download it a few months back and saved it on my pc. I hope it works for you... Tell me if it does not and I'll upload it again...

http://www.*******.com/dir/8622124/1...e/sharing.html

[boquito]

i noticed that when the ignition is turned on (engine is not running) the main fan would turn on after around 15 sec. this happens even if the car has not been started and the engine is cold. is this normal?

sir mintoy: I just checked mine and it does not do that. In fact as long as I do not turn the aircon even after the engine has been idling for a while it does not turn on right away. Medyo matagal kasi yata talaga maginit ang diesel engines natin.

I think they have rewired yours. I was being adviced to do the same but I just told them to keep it as original as possible. It was a lot easier if they rewired it but instead they had to replace the second pair of carbon brush.