Remote bypass oil filtration

[dvldoc]

Well I had got some new old stock of the LF3564 filters picked up 17 of them, I took the plastic off this one to take pics. I did notice it had no country of origin on it so I called Fleetguard and gave them the Julian date code and manufacture code on the top of the filter. They were made in France. So I'm cool with that.

Let me start of by saying the one they sell in the Philippines is a shamefully cheap clone. When I picked up the filter I was shocked by the weight of it. But when I looked inside I was further shocked. I had called earlier this week to get the efficiency rating of the filter and when they said 95% * 5 microns I was suspicious because that's the same as the venturi bypass filters they have now.

Well when I looked inside guess what, They are stacked disk just like the ones on my bypass set up. It's basically the first version of the Venturi bypass filters. They just use microglass for the full flow side vs Stratapore media. It looks nothing like what they are trying to pawn off as the real deal. The filter media on the inside clearly shows triple the amount of pleats on the inside of the filter.

These are 15000klm filter minimum. They have 2 times the dirt holding capacity of the BD28 They are not built anything like what the Singapore rep sent me.

Here's there pathetic locally sold version which I would not even waste money on, I would stick with the BD28.




This is the real version. And it goes to show you if you store filters in climate control conditions they will last basically forever.



Note the stacked disk media.






Now this is what it would look like if you cut it open. This is what my LF9028 filter looks like which I use as my Bypass filter which is 98% efficient at 5 microns. (They are freaking expensive)



This LF3564 is also physically bigger than BD28. So it just goes to show you the Made for Asia stuff that come from Malaysia are not even close to the same quality filter.

[number001]

^doc, it looks different to the "Made in Argentina" 360 view available on the cummins filtration website.

[dvldoc]

^doc, it looks different to the "Made in Argentina" 360 view available on the cummins filtration website.

That's because these are about 7 years old. So they look like just like the old picture.



http://www.fleetguard.com/pdfs/produ...be_filters.pdf

Also remember the ones I have are made in France just like the LF3400.


Here is another comparison.

The lower quality locally sold one.




Real deal.

[blue_gambit]

That's because these are about 7 years old. So they look like just like the old picture.



http://www.fleetguard.com/pdfs/produ...be_filters.pdf

Also remember the ones I have are made in France just like the LF3400.

So why would fleetguard change the design of the filter being sold here from the stacked media. I believe the photo the ones you showed are the one from fleetguard USA e-mailed to you which is also the same design I'm using now...

Does it mean that any ASEAN released fleetguard filter here would most likely be of inferior design since from their HQ they gave the go signal for this design?

Dvldoc is it possible that you have cut out of the internals also of the much sought after BD28? so we can verify if the stuff volmax is selling is in fact the same design as the ones bought (hoarded<-- hehehe) by some of our fellow tsikot members compared to US version... I'm thinking here if fleetguard did that to its filters it may be possible that baldwin could to...

Please enlighten Doc.. Thanks

[number001]

So why would fleetguard change the design of the filter being sold here from the stacked media. I believe the photo the ones you showed are the one from fleetguard USA e-mailed to you which is also the same design I'm using now...

Does it mean that any ASEAN released fleetguard filter here would most likely be of inferior design since from their HQ they gave the go signal for this design?

Dvldoc is it possible that you have cut out of the internals also of the much sought after BD28? so we can verify if the stuff volmax is selling is in fact the same design as the ones bought (hoarded<-- hehehe) by some of our fellow tsikot members compared to US version... I'm thinking here if fleetguard did that to its filters it may be possible that baldwin could to...

Please enlighten Doc.. Thanks

Its at pg 104.

[nelany]

So why would fleetguard change the design of the filter being sold here from the stacked media. I believe the photo the ones you showed are the one from fleetguard USA e-mailed to you which is also the same design I'm using now...

Does it mean that any ASEAN released fleetguard filter here would most likely be of inferior design since from their HQ they gave the go signal for this design?

Dvldoc is it possible that you have cut out of the internals also of the much sought after BD28? so we can verify if the stuff volmax is selling is in fact the same design as the ones bought (hoarded<-- hehehe) by some of our fellow tsikot members compared to US version... I'm thinking here if fleetguard did that to its filters it may be possible that baldwin could to...

Please enlighten Doc.. Thanks

It should be Fleetguard HQ that should be blamed for this double standard quality for Asian and US/Europe market. Putting in the country of origin marking is a case to case basis also. It added to further confusion on the fake and original Fleetguard products.

[dvldoc]

Those pictures, were from Fleetguard Singapore not the US. It's the Asian filter that is different and of much lower quality. Both the Full flow and bypass sections are totally different. My rule of them Is if no country of origin on the Filter just avoid it. If it just has plastic on the bottom avoid it, If it does not have a Julian date code on the top of the filter (use can use this to find exactly where and when it was made) avoid it.

The Baldwins look just as they should, Plus they are all made in the USA for about 90% of there filters. I would not worry about anything Volmax sells, they just need to work on keeping up with demand.

Fleetguard has not been forth coming on why there is such a huge difference in the quality of that filter, They don't reply to my emails anymore from the Asian offices so I gave up asking.

Your best best with Fleetguard is only get ones with country of Origin if they are not bought from a US Fleetguard dealer.

And anything with plastic only on the bottom is not even worth looking at, because you know it's not a real Fleetguard.

Email this guy to complain. Please include the pictures and ask for a explanation why the quality difference.


Willy S. Suaberon
Parts and Service, Marketing Manager
Cummins Sales and Service Philippines Inc.
Tel: (632) 667-6500 Loc.573 Direct Line: (632) 667-6573
Cell: (0917) 5267636
Fax: (632) 843-0703
Email: willy.s.suaberon*cummins.com
Website: http://www.cummins.com

The issue that was raised last year for Pacer was communicated to Filtration Singapore for investigation since Pacer is not under our jurisdiction.

For the new issue that you have raised,Singapore confirms that the filter LF 3564 was purchase to W&L is an original filter and Fleetguard Singapore can affirmed on this,if you can give us the contact detail for this person who raised this issue so that we can communicate directly and we can pay him a visit to verify this complain,


No country of origin on filter, no zulu date stamp, no crimped gasket, and the filters internals are clearly not Fleetguard.


Pictures attached. LF3564 as shown below has been supplied by Cummins Filtration since YR2004 from source in Malaysia. All Fleetguard products will always meet or exceed OE specifications and they are covered under Fleetguard global warranty.





CSSPI has been purchasing LF3564 made in Malaysia since Feb 2008 So far, there has been no quality issue raised.

Silk screen not indicated

We apologized if the current variation on Fleetguard silkscreen on Fleetguard products causes any confusion. Cummins Filtration is embarking an exercise to standardize the Fleetguard Silkscreen policy.

I would like to visit those customers of CSSPI who are confused by this issue and I will address them in person for my next trip to Philippines


Country of Origin not indicated

Country of Origin of all Fleetguard products is stated in Cummins Invoices.


Regards

But we know they are made in Argentina not Malaysia as shown on the Fleetguard US website.



http://catalog.cumminsfiltration.com...&currentPage=1

[blue_gambit]

It should be Fleetguard HQ that should be blamed for this double standard quality for Asian and US/Europe market. Putting in the country of origin marking is a case to case basis also. It added to further confusion on the fake and original Fleetguard products.

looks like fleetguard has a double standard when it comes to filters for the US and the ASEAN market... oh well me Baldwin naman... hehehe

thanks number001 for the page search...

[KCboy]

looks like fleetguard has a double standard when it comes to filters for the US and the ASEAN market... oh well me Baldwin naman... hehehe

thanks number001 for the page search...

I have my used baldwin oilfilter bt223 and 1 liter used mobil 1 ttd 5w40 synthetic oil used for 50000kms, anyone suggest how i can have the oil analyzed then someone who can open up the filter and take pictures, i hope i can contribute to this healthy thread. Pm me...

[crazy_boy]

Kcboy, for oil analysis, its posted few pages back. Its in monark libis.

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[dvldoc]

I have my used baldwin oilfilter bt223 and 1 liter used mobil 1 ttd 5w40 synthetic oil used for 50000kms, anyone suggest how i can have the oil analyzed then someone who can open up the filter and take pictures, i hope i can contribute to this healthy thread. Pm me...

I hope you meant 5000kms,

But on the oil analysis you should do it from a fresh catch, You don't want to do do it on use oil that has been sitting for weeks.

[nelany]

Doc, do you happen to know the efficiency of LF3407?
Thanks

[dvldoc]

You have to call Fleetguard to get efficiency ratings, they are not published. I have a bunch of LF3528 that fit the Crosswind they are 21 microns at 98.6% efficiency.

[sirkosero]

been to honda shaw today to get idemitsu oil.

on the shelf they have a comparison of genuine honda japan filter, honda thailand filter and a replacement filter.

based on their literature, honda japan is 100% efficient, honda thailand at 76% efficient and replacement at 50+% efficient. no micron rating though.

marketing game lang kaya yun? 100% efficient?!

[dvldoc]

That is for sure a marketing game, Because if it's 100% efficient at 40 microns that's not really impressive. They have a decent media but are not that well built. Now if you can find the efficiency rating that is a different story.

Typical Honda oil filter. This is a US version



This is a Japan version.





Most of Honda's OEM filters are made by Toyo Roki Mfg. Co., LTD, Then you have the Nippon versions as well.

[dvldoc]

That's just marketing without the true value of the filters absolute and nominal efficiency ratings.

[nelany]

You have to call Fleetguard to get efficiency ratings, they are not published. I have a bunch of LF3528 that fit the Crosswind they are 21 microns at 98.6% efficiency.

No respond yet from fleetguard. I already used it. It has made in the USA marking.

[timo07]

Kcboy, for oil analysis, its posted few pages back. Its in monark libis.

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For people living in Southern part of MM, you may go direct to San Pedro facility. The lab is actually there. Take san pedro exit in slex.

[nelany]

Doc, do you happen to know the efficiency of LF3407?
Thanks

Just received response on my queries from Fleetguard on the efficiency and here it is.

LF3407
Efficiency – 30 microns * 95% efficient
Media - Cellulose

Carrie
Filtration Technical Analyst

[dvldoc]

The current real! LF3564 for the 4M40 engine (Baldwin BD28) upgrade. Please compare to what they are selling locally, it's not even close in quality. They by the way are only produced in Argentina if it's not from there it's going to be a low quality reproduction.






The low quality locally sold vs which is claimed to be made in Malaysia