Khaos Super Gas Saver

[Freeman]

Funny thing is that the proof they have is from an old automotive book, and taiwan tests, ek ek.... Why not test in the Philippines? In our road conditions, traffic, etc. that would be more credible if they indeed want to backup their claim of up to 25% fuel savings.

The product name is indeed misleading. "SUPER TURBO Charger"? AFAIK a Super Charger and a Turbo Charger are different. but thats already been discussed.

Agree. Dumb marketing move to call it such. I do not know if it was intended to mislead. In the international market it is now called Khaos - Super Gas Saver/Reducer.

[BlueBimmer]

isnt it ur selling KSTC? yes or no?

[Freeman]

Guys I have read the entire thread before I posted.

Read my posts nalang, you might have stereotyped me.

Yes, we sell KSTC along with other products. It is not our main line. That is why I need solid proof, more than any of you, to know if it works or not. If proven its a hoax I do not want to get caught in a maelstrom of complaints for so little a profit. I'd rather drop it.

In the meantime the product is moving because of positive word of mouth. But to me and more others that is not enough.

[ghosthunter]

Yes, we sell KSTC

I guess I was wrong.

You aren't PR from inventionhaus... you are a reseller of the product. So much for being "middle ground" and "objective" about this device.

[ghosthunter]

Guys I have read the entire thread before I posted.

Read my posts nalang, you might have stereotyped me.

Yes, we sell KSTC along with other products. It is not our main line. That is why I need solid proof, more than any of you, to know if it works or not. If proven its a hoax I do not want to get caught in a maelstrom of complaints for so little a profit. I'd rather drop it.

so, its still the "bottomline" that is important to you. In this case the bottomline is profits from the product.

In the meantime the product is moving because of positive word of mouth. But to me and more others that is not enough.

In our company, if we do not believe in the product and its claims, we would rather not sell it at all. This is to protect our company's reputation with our clients and to all other people who have known us for a very long time.

[ghosthunter]

Agree. Dumb marketing move to call it such. I do not know if it was intended to mislead. In the international market it is now called Khaos - Super Gas Saver/Reducer.

Ufortunately we are talking about the product as it is being marketed locally, which is Khaos Super Turbo Charger.

This kind of product labeling/naming just more marketing hype. Other examples of similarly named products:

-Turbo Zet
-Turbo Swirly
-Turbo Flo
-Turbo Shield
-Turbo Fuel Mizer

[ghosthunter]

Freeman, I am aware that you moderate for 4x4ph.com, and quite frankly your association with Khaos is clearly getting in the way of your duties as a moderator. If you cannnot stand the test of scrutiny, you might as well relinquish that position in favor of someone who's more qualified.

oh my gwad! It's a challenge!

[ghosthunter]

I'm here to say WHOA! THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PROOF TO ARRIVE AT A CONCLUSION. Our opinions still remain opinions. That is all.

Here's the facts:
1. This thread has arrived to page 53.
2. This thread has seen four people supporting the khaos device, not counting the number of fake members who have tried to deceive us that they are happy users of the device.
3. All four people are either selling the device or part of the marketing of it.
4. All four people has not presented solid proof that the device works as claimed inspite of repeated requests for proper data.
5. Of the data (from inventionhaus) that has been presented, it proves that the device has not met US-EPA emissions limits.
6. An increasing number of reports that the device doesn't work at all, loss of power or serious damage to the engine.


I think its more than enough to conclude something here.

[rlp1099]

Freeman,

Sir, I admire your good intentions...but as the saying goes the road to hell is .....

Yes really are in the middle ground...the product is in your store and you'll make sales from it even if you don't believe the product works 100%

What would happen if I was at your store or any consumer for that matter and knowing all you do at this point, would you let me buy the product?

You're covering all bases just to make sure. Sometimes things are black and white pure and simple. I believe this is one of them. Let's call a spade a spade

How can I say this you might ask...well to put it simply

mga dudes papunta pa lang kayo pa uwi na ko

Personally, this device will go the way of shawarma and Zagu or Rice in A box

It will never be mami and siopao of Ma Mun Luk

[ghosthunter]

In the international market it is now called Khaos - Super Gas Saver/Reducer.

so what? its still called Khaos Super Turbo Charger as clearly seen in the website.

http://www.khaos.com.ph/

[Bogeyman]

Exactly! So tell the others to refrain from insults and branding.

Noted. I'm no mod, but just a friendly reminder, guys: let's go easy on the name-calling.

Is that not what I am also saying?

I'm here to say WHOA! THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PROOF TO ARRIVE AT A CONCLUSION. Our opinions still remain opinions. That is all.

So lets try to keep the discussion in a higher level of intelligence. I am not here to rechange anyone's thinking. I am willing to play the role of the devils advocate to keep things lively, iand intersting but mostly objective.

*sigh*

Your profess to being skeptical yourself about the veracity of Khaos, yet your daily business includes selling the same product to other motorists out there. Can you honestly blame many here who continue to question your intentions?

[BlueBimmer]

yup he sells them alright, o wel case closed for me re his stance.

[Freeman]

Look at it this way. I have more to lose than any of you here. It is I that needs the answers. I'm not here to sell.

At worst you could have bought one or 2 Khaos and set yourself back PHP 6,500 to PHP 13,000. If that thing is indeed a hoax, we may be liable for a refund to hundreds of customers. Question is will Inventionhaus refund their dealers?

To date there is no hard evidence to say Khaos does not work, nor the other way around.

Case closed? Sheesh! I am your most credible source for first hand info on Khaos. Most of the comments here are third-party. Useless.

[mazdamazda]

Let's just keep it a bit cool peeps (remember the word war with Vixen?).

Just count 1 to 10 before replying.

[mazdamazda]

To date there is no hard evidence to say Khaos does not work, nor the other way around.

yes there is.

as we've mentioned for the nth time here, the much hyped Taiwan testing (the only test with NOx results) leaves much to be desired about the KSTC. a properly tuned car can do much better than that.

[FrankDrebin]

Hehehe. Easy lang. Inuman na lang tayo 'di ba boss Freeman? ;)

[mazdamazda]

Hehehe. Easy lang. Inuman na lang tayo 'di ba boss Freeman? ;)

OT: andun ba si Freeman nung nagpunta tayo kayla Ungas sa Meyc?

[FrankDrebin]

OT: Wala po fafa M2.

[Bogeyman]

Most of the comments here are third-party. Useless.

And guess whose fault it was? Pablo Planas, the brains behind this operation, has flatly refused to submit his product to independent testing or thorough analysis, on grounds that his device "might be copied by unscrupulous individuals".

Did he not secure a patent before marketing this thing wholesale, in a frenzy of claims bordering on the ludicrous and the inane?

Thanks to his consistency in dodging legitimate and valid scrutiny, an increasing number of people here are now skeptical of Khaos and Planas.

[coleman]

bago lang po ako dito kasi may nagsabi sa akin na maraming info tungkol sa oto ang makukuha dito pero sa nababasa ko parang pr ang nangyayari tungkol sa device na yan. may balak sana ako bumili kasi nakita ko yun sa tv tapos sa nababasa ko rito parang hardsell ang nangyayari tapos ang mga pro sa device na yon ay yung mga nagbebenta. eh diba kailangan sila kumita kaya ganyan ang sinasabi nila. yung sa 4x4.com rin eh maraming nageespadahan tungkol diyan pero di naman sila nagbebenta nyan. sa kin lang eh dapat wag paniwalaan ang nagbebenta kasi may tinatago sila. tulo parag ayaw ko na bumili nyan.