Khaos Super Gas Saver

[Bogeyman]

P6,500 is a stratospheric amount to spend on one object, especially on something as non-essential as Khaos. People can just as well spend that amount investing on safety accessories, regular maintenance or even food.

P6,500 for an automotive placebo effect, anyone?

[ILuvDetailing]

mga 6 na change oil yan

[ghosthunter]

I bid you all goodbye.

Thank you.

good riddance

[BlueBimmer]

panu kasi kunwaring middle ground daw e hataw naman sa planas asskissing tsk tsk

[luckytruck]

yung PR/Advertising strategy ng Khaos ay parang tumatabo ng politics. sidestep lang sa mga educated questions/ request for concrete 3rd party test. hanap lang ng gullible na pwedeng madala sa billboards and testimonials.

if they are so confident in their product, then they should sent it to the US or EU for independent accreditation.

and who in the world has heard of a cell phone stall selling an automotive product? that's just ridiculous.

andy

[BlueBimmer]

and look at that brochure..MONSTER POWER!!! this product is the shiznit!! dragracers buy 1 quick!!!! hmm maybe i oughta buy 1..then i could keep up with a 325i or even an ///M car! wakekekeke

[the_wildthing]

... I do not feel that the inventor is reluctant to prove his device. I think he is more worried of it being copied. As mentioned in an earlier post the product will be evaluated internationally. I hope this is true. As you know, I more than all of you want the truth.

Duh! Copied? What an excuse! Any of the 15,000 people who bought it could open it up and make a similar device.

The simplest scientific test do not even need to explain the inner workings of the device. How can one copy it from scientific tests? All we want to see is:

a) A list of say 100 vehicles varying in classification and year. Heck, even 50 would probably convince me.
b) methodology of testing
c) variables that were controlled, e.g. number of miles ran, gasoline rating, route, date, time of day, etc.
d) variables that are to be measured, e.g. mileage, NOx, CO, whatever else.
e) measurements and output before the device was installed
f) measurements and output after the device was installed

I'm sure with 15,000 units that are sold, as you say, it would be easy to fund such a test and sell 5,000 more at least. But they probably think it's a losing proposition. Dahil nga mabubuking na hindi gumagana! :oops:

[mazdamazda]

Please try not to force something you are unfamiliar with into your sphere of knowledge and familiarity. It is a big world out here, not all are boxed within the confines of the corporate or supermarket world.

ehem... you are telling this to the tsikoters who have modifed vehicles (from turbo upgrades to full engine swaps)? who knows how to do basic maintenance on their cars?

isn't it ironic that the pople that you are referring to as boxed is more applicable to those hordes of people (who prolly doesn't have an idea on how their vehicle works in the first place) who were duped by the pr / marketing machinery and didn't even doubt for even just a second about the veracity of the KSTC?

if you read this KSTC thread from the very beginning, you would have noticed that many were a bit neutral at first about its claims. but after doing our own research work and seeing those spotty "tests" done (heck, they even had the nerve before to post the hp gains of a jeepney... which was 1hp! no wonder they pulled out their dyno test results from the KSTC website) we were convinced that it was a hoax.

[ghosthunter]

Obviously anyone who has something good to say about Khaos automatically becomes Khaos PR personnel.

actually, anyone have good say about the device. But your effort in defending the device and inventionhaus is more than just saying something good.

I am sorry if there is a minority in this forum that does not share your thoughts and convictions.

a minority composed solely of people from inventionhaus.

You'll just have to live with it because that is what a discussion board is all about.

I've been here of years, bud.

I have written neither good nor bad about Khaos.

We have seen your "good". We have yet to see your "bad".

What I brought to this thread is a sober assessment of what has been presented here by many.

the same soberness of the PR people of inventionhaus....

Review my posts - what I have written from my first post here is that no one has solid proof to PROVE or DISPROVE the Khaos device.

Read the thread. Inventionhaus has presented NOTHING to solidly prove the Khaos' claims. Just testimonials and more testimonials.

Khaos' documents are all inadequate.

so you finally admitted it.

The critics/skeptics can only go by tests of other gadgets they believe is similar to Khaos. Let them test the actual Khaos device before they dismiss it as a hoax/scam/miracle etc.

There is one difference. Inventionhaus' own Taiwan test results. And the results said it FAILED US EPA emissions standards!

I find your logic very amusing. But I will leave that for the other readers of this thread to judge.

I think I am not alone in my judgement.

Khaos distribution and retail system differs from the supermarket and mall system. Most of the Khaos dealers usually purchase small amounts of 10 to 20 units per week. They turn them all over and purchase another small batch the folowing week. They are not forced to stock and purchase heaps of product. Please try not to force something you are unfamiliar with into your sphere of knowledge and familiarity. It is a big world out here, not all are boxed within the confines of the corporate or supermarket world.

The inventionhaus distribution system is simpler than what you will usually find in wholesaler/importer to departmentstore/supermarket setups but the essence is the same. And not all our clients are DepartmentStore or SuperMarkets. We also have much much smaller clients who's orders might be six pieces per item, etc. I do not live in the corporate world nor am I boxed within. Do not underestimate who you are discussing with.

[Freeman]

good riddance

Not so fast!

I moderate in another forum and we moderators do not give our posters shabby treatment like this. Paging : Otep Rivera

Why the resistance, and from so many now.

Is this a clique' where all should agree or a discussion forum where we are free to disagree?

[ILuvDetailing]

Funny thing is that the proof they have is from an old automotive book, and taiwan tests, ek ek.... Why not test in the Philippines? In our road conditions, traffic, etc. that would be more credible if they indeed want to backup their claim of up to 25% fuel savings.

The product name is indeed misleading. "SUPER TURBO Charger"? AFAIK a Super Charger and a Turbo Charger are different. but thats already been discussed.

[mazdamazda]

oh wow... name dropping... speaks for itself...

[ghosthunter]

Not so fast!

LOL! first you were bidding goodbye then suddenly you have a change of heart?

I moderate in another forum and we moderators do not give our posters shabby treatment like this. Paging : Otep Rivera

Why the resistance, and from so many now.

Is this a clique' where all should agree or a discussion forum where we are free to disagree?

unfortunately (for you) we have had more than our share of ignorant PR people, fake members who pose as car enthusiats but who are actually are the PR people themselves and unanswered requests of proper supporting data from real members.

I suggest you read the entire thread to know why we have our current opinion for this particular product.

[the_wildthing]

Why the resistance, and from so many now.

Is this a clique' where all should agree or a discussion forum where we are free to disagree?

Hey man, I'm just sharing my view. You can call it resistance or disagreement.

There is no clique. I've had disagreements with others before...

[Bogeyman]

Freeman, I am aware that you moderate for 4x4ph.com, and quite frankly your association with Khaos is clearly getting in the way of your duties as a moderator. If you cannnot stand the test of scrutiny, you might as well relinquish that position in favor of someone who's more qualified.

And no, this is not a clique. It just so happens that the object of contention requires solid scientific proof that will support the claims and testimonies endorsing its use.

Unfortunately, there is yet to be a single iota of that proof to back up the hoopla. Hence, the resistance that you see here. This is not merely for your benefit, or odee's or vixen's or ischaramoochie's. This is a challenge to Pablo Planas' so-called 30 years of research, and his credibility overall as an inventor.

[BlueBimmer]

Not so fast!

Why the resistance, and from so many now.

Is this a clique' where all should agree or a discussion forum where we are free to disagree?

i just dont like seeing people getting screwed over products that clearly does not work. especially one that costs 6.5k that is composed of a tube, hoses and a mesh filter.

[Freeman]

panu kasi kunwaring middle ground daw e hataw naman sa planas asskissing tsk tsk

Now iIm a Planas ass kisser. Is it because I wont kiss yours?

Come on!? Stop throwing objectivity out of the window with your juvenile responses. Lets talk facts :

Fact 1 : 15: 1 A/F ratio is NOT LEAN. Reference - The Double A : Book of the Car. Compiled from works of 37 contributing writers such as A. Baker BSc(Eng) FIMechE. ACGI, Donald Bastow BSc(Eng). CEng., Dr, Stephen Black MRCS, MRCP etc. I will quote from P. 60, the chapter on Petrol - What it has to do. "The correct ratio of air and petrol for good combustion is approximately 15 parts of air to 1 part of petrol by weight. This allows complete combustion with minimum waste, but it may be weakened to 16:1 for economical steady speed cruising."

The operating word here is approximately. Is not 14.7 approximately 15? In other books I've read, the stoichiometric ratio is sometimes 14.6. So to say that Khaos makes an engine burn lean is baseless.

The question should be for you naysayers is does the Khaos device actually regulate 15:1 a/f ratio? If so how?

There I have armed you with a more potent weapon. Only Planas can answer that.

Fact 2 : I will say it again and I never said otherwise - Khaos documents are inconcusive hence inadequate, the same with your claims and references that it does not work.

Damn right this is middle ground! This is my side! Your welcome to stay where you are. I do not mind being alone here. Heck this is the moderates stance!

[BlueBimmer]

hot damn i certainly wont allow u to kiss my ass! no thank u!

and sori im not at par with ur intelligence cos of my juvenile responses, seeing our age difference. but at least im not screwing anyone over. tsk tsk

[Freeman]

And no, this is not a clique. It just so happens that the object of contention requires solid scientific proof that will support the claims and testimonies endorsing its use.

Unfortunately, there is yet to be a single iota of that proof to back up the hoopla. Hence, the resistance that you see here. This is not merely for your benefit, or odee's or vixen's or ischaramoochie's. This is a challenge to Pablo Planas' so-called 30 years of research, and his credibility overall as an inventor.

Exactly! So tell the others to refrain from insults and branding.

Is that not what I am also saying?

I'm here to say WHOA! THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PROOF TO ARRIVE AT A CONCLUSION. Our opinions still remain opinions. That is all.

So lets try to keep the discussion in a higher level of intelligence. I am not here to rechange anyone's thinking. I am willing to play the role of the devils advocate to keep things lively, iand intersting but mostly objective.

[Freeman]

oh wow... name dropping... speaks for itself...

Name dropping? I know him, we co-moderate in 4x4ph.

The issue is a moderator is going out of line.