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    #721
    Quote Originally Posted by khapostubochat
    ... eliminates carbon monoxide...
    WOW!!!

    and increases NOx perhaps?

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    #722
    that's all we need, another uncontrolled testing environment. 2.5 kms per liter???

    they should fire that damn driver first and save money without spending a single centavo.

    andy

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    #723
    You can get anyone to print anything these days, with the right amount of money. Sounds more like an advertisement rather than a test.

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    #724
    Quote Originally Posted by ghosthunter
    nope. probably written by the paper's motoring editor
    AFAIK, the Tribune is a staunchly oppositionist broadsheet. I find it quite out of character for them to write or even print an article in favor of something that the administration is practically endorsing.
    Last edited by Bogeyman; March 10th, 2005 at 12:37 PM.

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    #725
    It's not the paper itself... it's the writers. C'mon, you can't have the executive editor demanding full control from each section editor. That's why articles like this can get through.

    2.5km/l to 3.3km/l? I can do that just by changing what time I go home... WITHOUT driving slower... or I can get that by colder weather, or a better driver... and I've NEVER heard of anyone getting less than 4 km/l in an Exped...

    ...or more than 5...

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    #726
    actually its possible to get more than 5km/L in an expedition... if you are driving mostly highway and light traffic.

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    #727
    true, from duty free pque to pamp ni di man gumalaw ang gas needle ko,
    twas 12 midnight and no traffic at all.

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    #728
    A friend was asking me if I've heard about the gas saving device called "khaos". I said yes, but warned him not to even think of buying one. When he asked why, I told him to visit this forum and he will surely be enlightened.

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    #729
    same thing with my brother's friend. Since he knows I was into cars, he asked for my opinion regarding the khaos thingie. Although I didn't tell him to visit the forums (he's not that big into computers), I just gave him a relatively brief background on the device and what it really does and possible effects of it on his vehicle (a new ford expedition).

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    #730
    hay naku... ang tagal naman ng mga testing results...

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    #731
    *yawn*

    are we there yet with the data? hehe.

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    #732
    yup... so much for Freeman and his precious australian test results... I guess it wasn't anymore conclusive as the Taiwan tests?

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    #733
    ang haba na ng thread na ito ah.

    GO GO GO

    Super TUBO Charger :bwahaha:

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    #734
    HUWAW!!!



    Pinoy’s gas-saving invention now used in motorcycles

    The Philippine Star 03/12/2005

    A new anti-pollutant device designed exclusively for motorcycles was launched Thursday, offering a new lease on life for two-stroke engines that have difficulty meeting emission standards set by the Clean Air Act.

    Inventionhaus International Corp. said in a statement that the device, called the Khaos super turbocharger for motorcycles, can save up to 30 percent of fuel and lower carbon monoxide emission rates to 0.8 percent per volume, or a vehicle’s total exhaust volume.

    Under the Clean Air Act of 1999, the acceptable level set for carbon monoxide emission by motor vehicles is set at 4.5 percent per volume.

    The device is based on an earlier version made for gasoline engines by Filipino inventor Pablo Planas, who said he is optimistic that his new invention will benefit millions of motorcycle and tricycle owners throughout the country.

    The launch of the Khaos super turbocharger for motorcycles, held at the Manila Yacht Club on Roxas Boulevard, coincided with the celebration of Planas’ 68th birthday. The event was attended by Senate President Franklin Drilon and Manila Mayor Lito Atienza.

    "This is an opportunity for us to look for a solution on how to save gas," Drilon said.

    Atienza, on the other hand, said he is "endorsing this Filipino invention because it not only saves on gasoline but is environment-friendly."

    According to the website of the Environmental Management Bureau (EMB), there are approximately 900,000 motorcycles nationwide, with some 180,000 in Metro Manila alone.

    The EMB said emission tests conducted on tricycles showed that their average hydrocarbon emissions were 6,000 ppm (parts per million) or 10 times above the acceptable standard for cars.

    "Two-stroke tricycle engines have lower fuel efficiency. Some 15 percent to 40 percent of their fuel-air mixture escapes through the exhaust port. Because of this, the unburned gasoline and lubricant they emit contribute to increased hydrocarbon and fine particulate emissions in the atmosphere," the EMB said.

    Tricycle operators and drivers had rallied against the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority Resolution No. 02-36, which urged Metro Manila mayors to stop granting new franchises to two-stroke vehicles. They were also against the mandatory emission testing, prior to vehicle registration, required by the Clean Air Act.

    Section 22 of this law states that "no motor vehicle registration shall be issued unless such motor vehicle passes the emission testing requirement promulgated in accordance with this Act."

    The Clean Air Act’s implementing rules and regulations stipulate that "carbon monoxide emission of in-use motorcycles (two- and four-stroke) should not exceed six percent of the engine’s total exhaust volume during idle state."

    The Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) earlier said that two-stroke engines, which constitute 95 percent of tricycles in Metro Manila, are less expensive because of their uncomplicated design and because they have fewer parts to maintain. However, they were found to produce substantial amounts of hydrocarbons, which contribute to the smog that causes air pollution.

    Four-stroke engines, on the other hand, have a higher combustion temperature and emit only well-burned gases that do not contribute as much to air pollution. These engines cost at least P5,000 more than the two-stroke motorcycles, according to the DENR.

    In 2002, the Metro Manila Council, with the mayors of 17 cities and municipalities as members, passed a resolution urging local government units to temporarily stop granting new franchises to two-stroke tricycles by 2003 to address air pollution.

    Then DENR Secretary Elisea Gozun said they would formulate a plan to provide financial support to small and independent tricycle and jeepney operators to enable them to comply with the Clean Air Act.

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    Eto na ata ang longest thread ever... :hihihi:

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    Magkano naman kaya yan? Eh magkano kinikita ng trike driver sa isang araw? susmariya.

    Then DENR Secretary Elisea Gozun said they would formulate a plan to provide financial support to small and independent tricycle and jeepney operators to enable them to comply with the Clean Air Act.
    Aber, san nila kukunin ang budget para diyan? dagdag tax nanaman... and for what? For those abusive, law breaking, smoke belching trike drivers? No way! I rest my case.

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    we,middles of the society shall bear all the burden....

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    #738
    wow, ang galing naman yan. Di na pwede bigyan ng franchise ang 2 stroke motorbikes. If so, and khaos for motorcycles are targetting the 2 stroke engines, khaos have evolved from an air bleed device to one that converts 2 stroke to 4 stroke engines??? Ang galing galing naman yan, IT MUST BE MAGIC. How much naman kaya yan, same price as the unit for gasoline engine cars? 6,500 pesos attachment to a 2 stroke engine that costs 5,000 pesos cheaper than a 4 stroke engine? Duh, I think... no i don't think...

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    #739
    I'm curious. We more or less know the effects of a lean burn in a 4 stroke gasoline engine. I wonder what about the lean burn effects on a 2 stroke motorcycle engine (the kind typically used for tricycles).

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    #740
    Anyway, one of the main reasons why 2 strokes are nortoriously bad with emissions is the need to mix lubricating oil with the fuel. The other reason is the basic 2 stroke design makes use of the piston to act as a valve for the intake & exhaust too. (This results in some of the fuel/oil to escape into the exhaust port before it closes).

    Making a 2 stroke run leaner will result with a hotter running engine which might need more oil to lubricate it properly. Are we looking at possibility of premature wear & tear in two stroke engines using the device?

Khaos Super Gas Saver