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    WHAT IS YOUR UTMOST CONCERN? Fc, power or emissions?

    *FC - Majority of car owners are more concerned about fuel consumption, followed by power
    performance and the least is emissions.

    *Engine power - Modern car engine designs (2000) had greatly improved over the carb and conventional diesel injection pump.

    *Emissions – Who cares about emissions if your car periodically pass the preregistration emission tests? (without 'assistance' from the emission test operator/technician!) Who cares if your emission test show 2.4k for diesel, or 3.0% CO and 500ppm HC for gasoline engine? If your CEC show these figures, you can sleep soundly tonight with the thought that you are not contributing to our carbon footprint, right?

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    Everything should be proportional for me.

    FC would depend on the engine power that the car has, if it has less than 1.6L displacement I would expect something around at least 10km/L fuel consumption -- city driving. Of course, I'd expect something around 3-4km/L if I were to drive an STi. Depends, really.

    Emissions aren't really my priority, of course I would want to pass it... but whether it's low or high, as long as it passed... it's an OK for me. Definitely better emissions would be better... but I don't really pay attention to it.

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    i don't care about emissions

    i don't care about carbon footprint

    i'm not a treehugger

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    Power.

    Too Short.

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    FC first followed by engine power. Emission should be the least of my concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retz View Post
    FC first followed by engine power. Emission should be the least of my concerns.

    Assuming you have a factory spec car, emissions should not even be a concern.

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    1. Reliability and Safety
    2. Aircon (may be included in reliability - mahirap mag drive ng walang aircon- sobrang init at alikabok)
    3. Power
    4. Fuel Consumption

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    for me....

    FC is the primary concern... since hindi naman ako performance driver....

    the rest, secondary na lang, since performance does not equate to good FC.

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    1. Engine power
    2. FC/FE
    3. Emissions

    In that order.

    To elaborate:

    1. I got a Civic with the 1.8L engine. Not quite up there in the torque department, but still peppy enough even if I fill it up with groceries and my family.
    2. Bought a ScanGaugeII which I recently replaced with the UltraGauge to keep tabs on FE.
    3. Always kept the engine in tip top shape. Never dreamed of doing a cat-delete in an attempt to squeeze a bit more power out of the engine. Finally, the UltraGauge would sound an alert if the CEL is triggered (emissions problem, usually).

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    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    3. Always kept the engine in tip top shape. Never dreamed of doing a cat-delete in an attempt to squeeze a bit more power out of the engine. Finally, the UltraGauge would sound an alert if the CEL is triggered (emissions problem, usually).

    Depending on how restrictive your stock catalytic converter would be, you can gain a few HPs by upgrading to an aftermarket low restriction CAT. But it will be expensive and HPs gained is generally not that big (unless you're going the path of turbo upgrades).

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    I don't think anybody cares about emissions. As with uls said, "I'm not a tree-hugger". If I was, I won't be opening my aircon every night just to save a couple of watts for energy conservation's sake.

    Between power and fuel consumption, I'd get both if our damned government stops taxing electric cars heavily. 100% torque at X RPM.. yum yum!

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    Just like the guys said... I am also no tree hugger. But I do try to save a few watts here and there. I still have to pay my electric bill at the end of the month. A few saved watts somewhere can be used to run my aircon longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by light2light View Post
    WHAT IS YOUR UTMOST CONCERN? Fc, power or emissions?

    *FC - Majority of car owners are more concerned about fuel consumption, followed by power
    performance and the least is emissions.

    *Engine power - Modern car engine designs (2000) had greatly improved over the carb and conventional diesel injection pump.

    *Emissions – Who cares about emissions if your car periodically pass the preregistration emission tests? (without 'assistance' from the emission test operator/technician!) Who cares if your emission test show 2.4k for diesel, or 3.0% CO and 500ppm HC for gasoline engine? If your CEC show these figures, you can sleep soundly tonight with the thought that you are not contributing to our carbon footprint, right?
    Brother Nuvi Nuvi Nuvi. Someone is waiting for you. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by light2light View Post
    WHAT IS YOUR UTMOST CONCERN? Fc, power or emissions?

    *FC - Majority of car owners are more concerned about fuel consumption, followed by power
    performance and the least is emissions.

    *Engine power - Modern car engine designs (2000) had greatly improved over the carb and conventional diesel injection pump.

    *Emissions – Who cares about emissions if your car periodically pass the preregistration emission tests? (without 'assistance' from the emission test operator/technician!) Who cares if your emission test show 2.4k for diesel, or 3.0% CO and 500ppm HC for gasoline engine? If your CEC show these figures, you can sleep soundly tonight with the thought that you are not contributing to our carbon footprint, right?

    In a general view, engine power and fuel consumption go hand-in-hand. The bigger and more powerful the engine, the more fuel it consumes (typically). Hence, if you want a car that goes easy on the fuel consumption, you end up with a car with a small engine. No brainer.

    Of course, modern fuel injection and other modern engine advances has made current engines more efficient than those ten or twenty years ago (assumption by comparing HP output per liter displacement). But the statement still generally holds true, the bigger/powerful the engine, the more fuel it will burn.

    As for the emissions, if its being sold by the casa/dealers, it is assumed that it passes all the emissions requirements.

    As for my carbon footprint, if you are very concerned about your carbon footprint, you would be taking public transportation or riding a bike. We are more busy getting the most kilometers per liter than improving one's carbon footprint. Heck, turning off a light bulb is a step forward if you are counting towards reducing one's personal carbon footprint. It doesn't have to be the car. In fact, generally, the car is efficient enough. You can do more at home to reduce your personal carbon footprint.

    BTW, emissions is NOT the same as carbon footprint.
    Last edited by ghosthunter; June 19th, 2012 at 07:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghosthunter View Post
    In a general view, engine power and fuel consumption go hand-in-hand. The bigger and more power the engine, the more fuel it consumes (typically). Hence, if you want a car that goes easy on the fuel consumption, you end up with a car with a small engine. No brainer.

    As for the emissions, if its being sold by the casa/dealers, it is assumed that it passes all the emissions requirements.

    As for my carbon footprint, if you are very concerned about your carbon footprint, you would be taking public transportation or riding a bike.

    BTW, emissions is NOT the same as carbon footprint.
    Or use the Kia Pride Nuvinuvi....:lol:

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    From the 3 selections, of course "Power" is the priority for me on a certain level. Power of a 4-6cylinder are enough, & 8cylinder is too much for my lifestyle.

    Pag FC ang concern useless ang pag-desire ng power, bili ka na lang ng 1.0-1.3engine na car. Hindi kagaya ng 1.6-2.0li engine, pag kailangan mo ng power meron yan, kung tipid mode sa fuel kaya rin nyan!

    Emission, meron naman yan at a minimal level lalo na yung mga modern car sa kasalukuyan. Kaya kahit na I-priority mo o hindi, uuwi ka pa rin sa Power o FC na priority.

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    imho, the only time emission will be important to an average user is once a year during registration period...

    but then again, emission tests can be arranged for a minimal fee.

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    its 50% power 50% FC for me, i drive 90kms from and to work everyday, i dont want a car that would burn holes on my wallet, also i dont want a car that will have to stay on the right most lane because of lack of power, or cant counterflow and overtake, or cant even go up to baguio because of lack of power.

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    Want to have extra power and lower emissions? Buy the cheapest, lightest car you can find, and put a mild-boost turbo on it.

    A low-boost turbo beefs up the midrange, making the engine more efficient during acceleration. Then, let off the pedal, stay out of boost during cruising, and fuel economy will be the same as stock or better.

    Imagine... a 25 km/l Chevy Spark or Kia Picanto that can hit 100 km/h in the same time a 1.6 liter car takes.

    -

    But my utmost concern as a motorist is saving money. And that means buying the smallest, most fuel efficient, most cost efficient car within my budget.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    either fc or power, depends on gas prices

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