Khaos Super Gas Saver

[Freeman]

ahaa! i just got information regrding khaos. Guys, you've seen different politician endorsing this product, you know why? Mr. Vasquez, wwho happens to be the distributor of Khaos has been a great suppoter of this so called politician!!! Think of it. It's kumpareng Noli, Kakamping Mike D, and prosecutor SB!! Yan amg mga pasimuno. For all we know, politician works this way. If you happen to help them, ofcourse may kapalit! And it is payback time!!! Grabe..... When kaya tayo mag move unconditionally?

That will make for a great conspiracy theory.

It is an entertaining thought though, but we need facts.

[Freeman]

the same people who bought:

Yes most of us (myself included) will always be skeptical. Its a defense mechanism brought about by being ceaselessly bombarded by merchants of snake oils and the like.

[ghosthunter]

Now why are you getting into the subject of profitability? Your post here does nothing to dispell my claim that over 15,000 units have been sold since late 2003. Spend a day in Inventionhaus and you'll know what I mean.

Ah! First you claim NOT to be linked to Inventionhaus then here it your statement seemingly contradicting your initial claim.

So the PR people list grows:
1. Odee
2. Vixen
3. whatever-moochie
4. Freeman

BTW, items being transported from the head office to outlets does NOT mean its sold. It just means its at the outlet. Spend a few years selling items to supermarkets and department stores and you'll know what I mean.

[ghosthunter]

Where is your documentation to say otherwise that there are less than 15,000 chaos units sold? Is it so hard to believe that a local product can sell so much?

Its not for me to prove otherwise. Its your claim of such a high number, prove it or its jsut another "fact" from thin air.

I am not a marketing professional period. My formal training was in computer programming. Do not be so easily fooled.

My formal training was in mechanical engineering.

So what does your statement supposed to prove?

Do not discredit me by putting me in the league of Vixen and company. Just because I do not agree with you should not mean I am biased or in alliance with them. Review my posts and see where I am coming from.

you claim to be coming from the middle ground but you are seemingly biased to one "particular" side. Re-read your own posts and see what I am refering to.

I believe it is the other way around, it is you who are being the skeptic.

So? I have proven engineering principles and experience as my background. Whats your's Mr. Computer Programmer?

You remain adamant on judgement based only on what you have read and heard. Have you had first-hand account?

Oh yes, I have more than simply tinkered with my cars since 1992. This includes adjusting air-fuel ratios, etc. to gain either performance or fuel economy.

How about you?

For Inventionhaus to claim 99 percent reduction in emmision is downright irresponsible. Near impossible! But, if it reduces emmissions significantly then there is something to it.

It is still a flat out lie. If it kills you, you are still dead.

In this light, the Taiwan test is inconclusive because we do not know exactly what level of emissions the engine was registering before the Khaos device was fitted? For all we know the readings could have been 100, 200, or 400 times more before Khaos was fitted.

so what?... Inventionhaus is trumpeting this test as the answer to all technical questions. The fact is, the numbers are still very much OVER and BEYOND the US-EPA Federal limits for emissions.

India. So what if it were actually done in India? It is a highly industrialized nation with a unique culture. I hope you are not implying that nothing good can come out from India if it were evaluated there.

If you wanna know... There are only 3 places in India who have the equiptment for testing in india. All of them are privately owned by large industrial companies for their own private use (one of them being a heavy construction machineries). That is what. (Reference: Pop Sci magazine 2004)

[ghosthunter]

Yes most of us (myself included) will always be skeptical. Its a defense mechanism brought about by being ceaselessly bombarded by merchants of snake oils and the like.

...and yet you seem to be more than just accepting the outragous claims of Inventionhaus for its one and only product.

[zechs]

"spend a day at inventionhaus"? what for? you just gave yourself out bro. not a marketing professional...yeah right. and if you are not a marketing professional, why are you so much into khaos and planas anyway? are they paying you that much to say "good" things about them and their product? are you their spokesperson? (which i am beginning to feel that you are, among others) you are so uptight when someone talks "against" this product and its inventor claims. lighten up bro, im sure you can dupe other people out.

[empy]

Freeman, at first i thought that you were a consumer like us, and i applauded you for trying to give khaos the benefit of the doubt since no valid test has been produced yet. i did think that you were being naive (no offense, ha - but it's the way i felt) given that i think the proof against it was so convincing and you are still looking for that 'smoking gun'

now, with your recent posts, i'm beginning to question your objectivity. i'm not accusing you of being a khaos rep in disguise, but you certainly seem hell-bent on giving them their day in the sun (which is not deserved, imho)

hey, but if you're actually a khaos rep, i'll still love you...ask vixen

[ILuvDetailing]

Freeman: Do you have KSTC installed in your car? If not would you install one? Now if you really want to prove all the doubters wrong, why not test it in your own ride.

[ghosthunter]

Here's a few misleading statement from the Khaos website:

KHAOS Super Turbo Charger is the 4th Generation PLANAS Super Turbo Charger that has been proven effective for 30 years.

This basically means that the device has been on the market for the last 30 years and not just real 6 months.

KSTC is maintenance free just clean the filter by soap and water.

doesn't it mean if its maintenance free you dont even need to clean it at all? Just install and forget ?

[luckytruck]

can someone post a lifesize picture of this device? i have seen one and it is about half the length of the standard computer monitor.

i think the best people to add information to this thread would be people who have the proper equipment to test all the claims.

guys, anyone want to volunteer their testing equipment? then maybe freeman (or anyone else) can offer a Khaos to use to test? the difficult part would be getting someone to let their car be used as the testing vehicle.

andy

[the_wildthing]

You want facts:

1. Sales do not mean they work.

2. The reluctance of the inventor or the institution backing him to provide or produce scientific tests (I'm sure you know what I mean, having a background in Computer Science and all) can only be construed to mean that doing so will debunk their product.

Hell, it's been months since we've asked for that. If someone was really honest about something you built, you'd turn believers of everyone by giving results of scientific tests (read repeatable and controlled variables). If he was just out to make a quick buck like all con men, they will prey on the gullible.

Sorry. But I've dismissed this product as junk.

And it doesn't take a degree to see that.

[pajerokid]

Hahaha. Upon passing a KSTC ad somewhere in shaw boulevard, my dad told me that he got one more than twenty years or so ago for our Toyota Corona....

Effects/Benefits? According to him, none whatsoever!

[mazdamazda]

i think the best people to add information to this thread would be people who have the proper equipment to test all the claims.

guys, anyone want to volunteer their testing equipment? then maybe freeman (or anyone else) can offer a Khaos to use to test? the difficult part would be getting someone to let their car be used as the testing vehicle.

andy

dozens of similar (if not identical) devices have already been tested by the US EPA since the 1970s. result: no significant gains, its effect can be reproduced by simply adjusting your a/f knob or screw.

so, do they have the balls to have it tested by the EPA? even their Taiwan testing is a failure. zero pollution my arse! my 7 year old car has a better CO & HC result the last time I had it tested.

[Freeman]

Ah! First you claim NOT to be linked to Inventionhaus then here it your statement seemingly contradicting your initial claim.

So the PR people list grows:
1. Odee
2. Vixen
3. whatever-moochie
4. Freeman

BTW, items being transported from the head office to outlets does NOT mean its sold. It just means its at the outlet. Spend a few years selling items to supermarkets and department stores and you'll know what I mean.

Obviously anyone who has something good to say about Khaos automatically becomes Khaos PR personnel. So what does that make you? I am sorry if there is a minority in this forum that does not share your thoughts and convictions. You'll just have to live with it because that is what a discussion board is all about. I have written neither good nor bad about Khaos. What I brought to this thread is a sober assessment of what has been presented here by many. And that is DOUBT, doubt that it works, and doubt that it does not work.

Review my posts - what I have written from my first post here is that no one has solid proof to PROVE or DISPROVE the Khaos device. Khaos' documents are all inadequate. The critics/skeptics can only go by tests of other gadgets they believe is similar to Khaos. Let them test the actual Khaos device before they dismiss it as a hoax/scam/miracle etc.

I find your logic very amusing. But I will leave that for the other readers of this thread to judge.

Khaos distribution and retail system differs from the supermarket and mall system. Most of the Khaos dealers usually purchase small amounts of 10 to 20 units per week. They turn them all over and purchase another small batch the folowing week. They are not forced to stock and purchase heaps of product. Please try not to force something you are unfamiliar with into your sphere of knowledge and familiarity. It is a big world out here, not all are boxed within the confines of the corporate or supermarket world.

[Freeman]

Pajero Kid : Pare, alam na natin kung ano ang isasagot nila diyan. That was Khaos version 1, the current Khaos is version 4, new and improved! Stalemate na naman!

Wildthing : Yes large numbers should not intimidate anyone ('cept maybe for a few here). All that says is that there could be 15,000 who were duped or the opposite. Majority does not mean they are right. I do not feel that the inventor is reluctant to prove his device. I think he is more worried of it being copied. As mentioned in an earlier post the product will be evaluated internationally. I hope this is true. As you know, I more than all of you want the truth.

[BlueBimmer]

here's the celfon stall renting at our place



sori labo pangit kc p9 cam
that has been displayed there for a LOOOOONG time na!
look at that naka-carpet pa woohoo! share lng naman para kay ischaramoochie

[Freeman]

Until you come up with more than a photo of a glass encased Khaos on faux fur and loose arguments. I bid you all goodbye.

Thank you.

[Bogeyman]

I think you have mistakened me for someone else. Kindly point out to me and the readers where I (Freeman) have quoted testimonials and endorsements.

I may not be referring to you in particular, but I am speaking to all who are inclined to promoting the Khaos Super Turbo Charger, from Pablo Planas to Inventionhaus to the different distributors/dealerships carrying the brand.

I agree with you that it is the times (poor economy, high fuel prices) that directly benefit the sales of Khaos. But to accuse the inventor and distributor of misleading the public is a baseless accusation at this point.

Saying that the inventor and distributor of KSTC are misleading the public is not an accusation. It is now a fact. Especially in light of the fact that there are more practical and realistic alternatives out there.

KSTC is being judged by how well it's living up to the claims, regardless of how long someone took to develop it. 30 years? That doesn't prove anything. I couldn't care less if Planas took several lifetimes to come up with his product. Some of the world's innovations were a result of momentary accidents.

If it's half-baked, it's no good, it doesn't belong in the market, period.

Alright, I agree Planas creation is incredible. That can be interpreted as either good or bad.

Planas' creation is a joke, to say the least. See here: the ideal a/f ratio of an internal combustion engine is 14.7:1. Anything lower than 14.7 constitutes a "rich" burn, which floods the engine, causes it to run poorly, and wastes fuel. Anything higher than 14.7:1 is defined as a "lean" burn, which increases engine temperature prematurely, breaks down engine parts at an accelerated rate and emits a higher amount of NOx gases into the atmosphere.

Khaos is touted to produce an a/f ratio of 15:1, definitely a lean burn. No wonder everyone here is expecting from Khaos every single problem that a lean burn brings.

Now, what further interpretation are you waiting for, when scientific facts are staring you right in the face?

[BlueBimmer]

fyi sir those photos are not for u, these are just to show the stall i was talking about n if ur as educated as u say u r then please click back a few pages and read my posts with ischaramoochie. but if u want e di angkinin mo na.

n wag naman po kayo pikon, post nlang kau ng photos of PROOFS about ur device and i might even praise u.

[ILuvDetailing]

Then why not do a real world test? A before and after, a simple test on a 2000 model and up car (EFI) to prove us all wrong. Maybe we could start testing it on your car.

Why the skepticism? Almost all the posters who reacted against the KTSC have an automotive background (this is an AUTOMOTIVE forum for car enthusiasts), gets? Thats why they want scientific answers not vague explanations, now if your in the middle ground that you claim to be why are you defending Mr. Planas? Why not do the right thing and test your beloved device, thats what automotive industry does with all their products, test... test... test..., don't blame the people here you don't believe in your product, money is hard to come by these days, they want to spend it wisely.