Khaos Super Gas Saver

[Ischaramoochie]

wow, this thread has grown.

anyway, it's hard to go through several forums on a limiuted schedule, but just to answer some of the questions:

1. i am NOT a representative of IIC. Like, Freeman, i am a dealer.
2. Dealers are NOT paid by IIC for their product support.
3. Dealers DO pay for advertising materials containing their contact numbers.
4. dealers make less than 25% income for reselling these devices.
5. the air-flow is controlled by the spring valve on the top-right of the picture. this serves as a bypass, should the left and center valve draw in too little air.

now, this is not to say that i am turning my back on other questions. i am still active and answering Tony's technically directed questions in the www.4x4ph.com forum.

[ghosthunter]

5. the air-flow is controlled by the spring valve on the top-right of the picture. this serves as a bypass, should the left and center valve draw in too little air.

Maybe YOU can explain how the spring-actuated valve can even open when both the left and center valves are fully open? White-dot to white-dot setting for both knobs mean both are fully open.

Or better yet, maybe you can actually explain the function of the {i]mysterious[/i] KSTC?

[ghosthunter]

wow, this thread has grown.

yup, and inspite of your absence, we actually have gained some ground.

[ghosthunter]

anyway, it's hard to go through several forums on a limiuted schedule, but just to answer some of the questions:

its not that we missed you or anything.

1. i am NOT a representative of IIC. Like, Freeman, i am a dealer.

I dunno. I personally like Freeman's attitude on the whole thing.

2. Dealers are NOT paid by IIC for their product support.

you could have fooled me.

3. Dealers DO pay for advertising materials containing their contact numbers.

I think I mentioned that point.

4. dealers make less than 25% income for reselling these devices.

I guess you guys actually earn about P1,500 net income from each unit sold.

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Moochie, are you also curious about the device you are selling in the same way that Freeman is wondering about it? :question:

[ghosthunter]

wow, this thread has grown.

anyway, it's hard to go through several forums on a limiuted schedule, but just to answer some of the questions:

1. i am NOT a representative of IIC. Like, Freeman, i am a dealer.
2. Dealers are NOT paid by IIC for their product support.
3. Dealers DO pay for advertising materials containing their contact numbers.
4. dealers make less than 25% income for reselling these devices.
5. the air-flow is controlled by the spring valve on the top-right of the picture. this serves as a bypass, should the left and center valve draw in too little air.

now, this is not to say that i am turning my back on other questions. i am still active and answering Tony's technically directed questions in the www.4x4ph.com forum.

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have broken some new ground here.

Notice that there is no more denial of the functions of Khaos device itself in Moochie's statements.

[GlennSter]

uy!!!khaos!!!













ANO PO YUNG KHAOS!?!? :angel2: :stupid:

[boybi]

tangna, binasa ko itong thread na ito from page 1 in one seating!!!! :bwahaha:

[Ischaramoochie]

Maybe YOU can explain how the spring-actuated valve can even open when both the left and center valves are fully open? White-dot to white-dot setting for both knobs mean both are fully open.

Or better yet, maybe you can actually explain the function of the {i]mysterious[/i] KSTC?

simple: the venturi principle*. the manifold vacuum decreases pressure inside the unit, which causes air to be drawn in at speeds significant enough to create a partial vacuum between the left vertical and upper horizontal tube. the low pressure above the spring valve would cause the metal stopper to rise and let an influx of air enter upper tube depending on the manifold vacuum. this spring valve is actually the regulator which gives more air when the manifold vacuum is strong and less air whan the vacuum is weak. this would ensure that the mixture would not get too lean on partially open throttle conditions nor too rich on idling.

*as the speed of a moving fluid increases, the pressure within the fluid decreases.

[Rediesel]

in layman's term ano ba talaga purpose ng KHAOS??

to suck in more air?

medyo technical kasi yung explanation.

[ghosthunter]

simple: the venturi principle*.

Venturi Principle:


wow! so the Khaos device is now based on the venturi.

the manifold vacuum decreases pressure inside the unit, which causes air to be drawn in at speeds significant enough to create a partial vacuum between the left vertical and upper horizontal tube. the low pressure above the spring valve would cause the metal stopper to rise and let an influx of air enter upper tube depending on the manifold vacuum. this spring valve is actually the regulator which gives more air when the manifold vacuum is strong and less air whan the vacuum is weak. this would ensure that the mixture would not get too lean on partially open throttle conditions nor too rich on idling.

does the above mentioned statement assumes that the manifiold vacuum pressure is low during idling, "medium" during part-WOT and high during WOT?

Note: in this case "medium" refers to somewhere between low & high.

I would quote one of Freeman's words to decide Moochie, "techie-wannabe". Its because you (moochie) are WRONG. At idle, the engine will have a high intake manifold vacuum pressure. At WOT (wide open throttle), the vacuum pressure is very very weak or even zero.

So based on Moochie's statement above, the engine will run with a heck of a lot more air than needed at idle, causing it to go TOO LEAN.

And Moochie's statements yet has to describe how the same Khaos thingie can "regulate" the correct amount of air for a 1.3L up to a 5L engine without any changes done to its settings/size/design.

[Ischaramoochie]

Venturi Principle:


wow! so the Khaos device is now based on the venturi.




does the above mentioned statement assumes that the manifiold vacuum pressure is low during idling, "medium" during part-WOT and high during WOT?

Note: in this case "medium" refers to somewhere between low & high.

I would quote one of Freeman's words to decide Moochie, "techie-wannabe". Its because you (moochie) are WRONG. At idle, the engine will have a high intake manifold vacuum pressure. At WOT (wide open throttle), the vacuum pressure is very very weak or even zero.

So based on Moochie's statement above, the engine will run with a heck of a lot more air than needed at idle, causing it to go TOO LEAN.

And Moochie's statements yet has to describe how the same Khaos thingie can "regulate" the correct amount of air for a 1.3L up to a 5L engine without any changes done to its settings/size/design.

no. not the principle of the KSTC itself, but the function of the spring valve, which you have been asking about. and perhaps you had better check your comprehension. i did not say that manifold vacuum decreases during idle and increases during WOT. on the contrary, i said: "this spring valve is actually the regulator which gives more air when the manifold vacuum is strong and less air whan the vacuum is weak. this would ensure that the mixture would not get too lean on partially open throttle conditions nor too rich on idling."

in addition i also said that: "manifold vacuum decreases pressure inside the unit, which causes air to be drawn in at speeds significant enough to create a partial vacuum between the left vertical and upper horizontal tube" which means that the higher the manifold vacuum, the more wind speed is produced which lessens pressure above the metal stopper and causes it to rise; although i had made it clear that this depends on strength of the the vacuum. ergo, more vacuum (idle), bigger volume of air, less manifold vacuum, lesser volume of air (part throttle), zero manifold vacuum (WOT), no extra air is supplied. just think: bigger engines generate more powerful vacuums.

lastly, "vacuum pressure" is self-contradictory. if i'm a "techie-wannabe" then i'd rather not tell what you are.

[empy]

in layman's term ano ba talaga purpose ng KHAOS??

to suck in more air?

not exactly.

the purpose of khaos is to suck money out of your wallet and replace it with air

:bwahaha:

[66bunny]

not exactly.

the purpose of khaos is to suck money out of your wallet and replace it with air

:bwahaha:

Couldn't say it better.

They should drop the word "TURBO". It's misleading. Plus, why KHAOS? It sounds CHAOS. Who's brilliant idea and brand name is this?

[BlueBimmer]

oi there's the truth right there

[the_wildthing]

Finally we're getting somewhere after 60 darn pages... Sorry di ako makasabay sa "tech" discussion... suddenly finding 6 units of Physics and 2 units of Lab is painfully inadequate. Hehe.

Where the hell is yebo?

[Freeman]

note: I could not remove the knob in the middle because the locking screw holding it will not turn. But I would assume the knob looks like the one at the left side of the device. At any rate, I can see right thru the device, end to end, after removing the left knob and the filter assembly.

sub-note: After disassembly, I was kinda pleasantly surprised that nearly all my assumptions on its design was correct. I even suspected a spring connected to the left knob before I drew my sketch.




After dismantling the unit, I only needed a minute to reassemble it (in fact, its on my desk serving as a very good paperweight again). And the left bottom screw-bolt is indeed holding the left adjustment knob to the body.

IMHO, if counterfieters really want to copy the device, all they need to make one is any good machineshop, no specialized skills necessary after that.




If both knobs must be white dot to white dot, then the spring actuated valve is totally unused. Basically in that setting, the device is in free-flow between the filter to the engine.





So how does the device regulate 15:1 air-fuel ratio given the only thing left to regulate the amount of air thru it is the scrubbing pad filter?




I have been pretty much careful with my adjustable wrench and left no toolmarks on the device. Its as "clean" as it came off the vehicle. I doubt if they could detect anything wrong.

Thank you!!!

Cripes! Is that all there is in there? Anything else within the main body? Yes your drawing was pretty intuitive.

Yes, because we were instructed to leave the knobs in a fixed position, renders the spring valve useless.

Ischaramoochie, were your people instructed the same way?

One more request GH. Can you post a photo of the hose and tee connector assembly of the Expedition and that of the venture? At your convenience of course.

Thank you. Please relay your docs to my fax / email.

[mikaztro]

Wow! Haba haba thread! I'll reserve my opinion nalang to myself so as not to antagonize anybody here. Will wait for the official results.

All of the posters here are objective. Good thing there is Tsikot around to dissect any prospective products on the market.

[Hero33]

its turning into one of em detective stories for discovery LOL

[Bogeyman]

why KHAOS? It sounds CHAOS. Who's brilliant idea and brand name is this?

Planas supposedly named his device after Khaos, the Greek goddess of air. Makes sense somewhat, since it is an air-bleed device after all.

[boybi]

Where the hell is yebo?

nasaan na nga ba si yebo?