Khaos Super Gas Saver

[BlueBimmer]

dati pa pala hindi na talaga ok yan..o wel its always bout the money eh?

[zechs]

1000 different types of vehicles? hmm..thats a long list. i cant even name past a hundred. hahaha

15000 units sold, but yeah, how many are really working? based on the last 3 pages of this thread, 5 na ang hindi nagwowork..how many are there like these?

80 dealers nationwide, siguro karamihan sa probinsiya..yung mga walang magcriticize ng product nila..kawawa naman yung mga consumers doon.

5 international distributors? name the country and the company distributing it, para ma-verify namin

[Bogeyman]

It's called bluffing, a classic PR tactic, attempting to silence potential challengers. Beyond the "oooohs" and "aaaahs" of 15,000 gullible Filipinos, I'd say the Inventionhaus portfolio is nothing but air being brought down consumer's throats, the way Khaos brings more air into your engine. Don't agree? Then what we're asking is fairly simple: PROVE IT.

IMO, there's nothing much that can be done anymore as far as fossil fuels are concerned. There's no denying that it's a finite resource. Products like Khaos are just delaying the obviously inevitable.

Maybe Planas would have been applauded if he just devoted the last 30 years to developing alternative fuel sources, which will eventually free us from depending on petroleum products.

Instead, his product and others like it deserve a most fitting label: Caveat Emptor

[Freeman]

15000 units sold, but yeah, how many are really working? based on the last 3 pages of this thread, 5 na ang hindi nagwowork..how many are there like these?

80 dealers nationwide, siguro karamihan sa probinsiya..yung mga walang magcriticize ng product nila..kawawa naman yung mga consumers doon.

5 international distributors? name the country and the company distributing it, para ma-verify namin

That is what I too want to know. I would like to see hard scientific evidence to back up their claims and numerous testimonials. At this point no one can really prove or disprove Khaos. It can't be proven here, we can all discuss, insult, rant, rave and argue until oblivion. Unless Khaos or a consumer rights group employs a competent third party to evaluate this product thoroughly, Khaos will remain a question mark.

Please refer to Khaos recent full page advertisement in the Philippine Star dated January 16, 2005 - main section. All local and international dealers and distributors are listed with their respective contact details and contact person.

International Distributors and their phone nos. and email (if listed) :

1. Brisbane Queensland, Australia - Call +614 240 69640, Rollen_nolasco*ozemail.com.au
2. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia - +966 947 5037
3. Jakarta, Indonesia - +21 260 1667, yiodaw*yahoo.com
4. Spain - +343 866 2707
5. Saipan - + 670 234 8264

[the_wildthing]

Too bad...

Some representatives (or at least I think they are) for KSTC registered in the forum and attempted to swamp us with testimonials and rigged tests. But when asked for, as you say, "hard scientific evidence", they resort to the tactics observed in this thread.

If they really are so sure of their product, they could've just brought that out and made believers out of us. But no, they probably just chose to sell to the hapless motorists too willing to be duped.

I wonder, of the active members in this board, none is connected to a REAL consumer advocate group.

[Freeman]

It's called bluffing, a classic PR tactic, attempting to silence potential challengers. Beyond the "oooohs" and "aaaahs" of 15,000 gullible Filipinos, I'd say the Inventionhaus portfolio is nothing but air being brought down consumer's throats, the way Khaos brings more air into your engine. Don't agree? Then what we're asking is fairly simple: PROVE IT.

IMO, there's nothing much that can be done anymore as far as fossil fuels are concerned. There's no denying that it's a finite resource. Products like Khaos are just delaying the obviously inevitable.

Maybe Planas would have been applauded if he just devoted the last 30 years to developing alternative fuel sources, which will eventually free us from depending on petroleum products.

Instead, his product and others like it deserve a most fitting label: Caveat Emptor

I am not bluffing. I am stating facts. I am not a marketing professional, nor was I trained to be one. Like all of you I am just giving my inputs as I know them. There are at least 15,000 people who bought Khaos. How many of them are happy with Khaos? I do not know. Who were duped? Who were suckered? So far I only know of 5.

As in all purchases, buyers bear the risk. However, the manufacturer of Khaos has a money back policy - it aint refined nor quick. But they will eventually give your money back.

[Bogeyman]

Who were duped? Who were suckered? So far I only know of 5.

I know of at least 80. Go figure, these are the various dealerships/distributors who were enticed by the prospect of instant profits arising from a boom for this kind of device. Unfortunately, they also stand to bear the brunt of consumer complaints when the time comes, while Planas and his cohorts laugh all the way to the bank--and beyond.

the manufacturer of Khaos has a money back policy - it aint refined nor quick. But they will eventually give your money back.

After you make the necessary fuss at their balking and showing them that you're immune to their sales talk. Hopefully it never gets to the point where someone has to lose life or limb before getting his/her money back.

Mr. Planas, now in his 70's, labored for 3 decades to finally find success and comfort in life

In light of all that hard work, I'm all for the man succeeding in his lifetime. But I hope he does not attain that success at the expense of other people's intelligence.

[luckytruck]

i think the key here is that it is only now that it is taking off because they finally have the financial budget/backing. but, alas, i suspect that this financial budget is being used primarily for marketing/networking/advertising purposes.

they had a product, but couldn't sell it in the past using the product alone as the selling point. now that they have the financial muscle, they are able to play the marketing/advertising game. And it is safe to do so in the Philippines because there is no such thing as consumer rights and false advertising.

if they can penetrate the US market and are allowed to advertise exactly what they are advertising here in the Philippines, then i will take a second look at this product.

[Freeman]

I know of at least 80. Go figure, these are the various dealerships/distributors who were enticed by the prospect of instant profits arising from a boom for this kind of device. Unfortunately, they also stand to bear the brunt of consumer complaints, while Planas and his cohorts laugh all the way to the bank.



After you make the necessary fuss at their balking and showing them that you're immune to their sales talk. Hopefully it never gets to the point where someone has to lose life or limb before getting his/her money back.



I'm all for the man succeeding his lifetime, but certainly not at the expense of other people's intelligence.

Lets try to be objective and less philosophical. But yes, once Khaos is proven a dud there'll be a heap more than 80 who will belong to the P.T. Barnum adage.

I wish I could take your line of thinking and judge it based on what was laid on the table and put this issue to rest. But no it is still not enough, there is still reasonable doubt. I am reserving judgement till I see the hard data I was talking about. I heard an unconfirmed report that a thorough evaluation is underway in another country very soon. If true, I will strive to get the results and relay it regardless of verdict.

In the meantime let us all brace ourselves for an impending fuel price hike.

[ghosthunter]

As in all purchases, buyers bear the risk. However, the manufacturer of Khaos has a money back policy - it aint refined nor quick. But they will eventually give your money back.

I think the only reason why inventionhaus would return your money is because it was legally threatened. Otherwise they would be giving you the long walk.

[ghosthunter]

Let me help you w/ a brief background. The product was conceived 30 years ago. Back then it was called Super Gas Reducer. It was only in 2003 that Mr. Planas got financial backing for the product and went full blast late in 2003. It was then renamed to Khaos. I have read that the present Khaos device is on its 4th generation, designed to work with contemporary automobiles.

At present there are 80 dealers nationwide (and still growing by the day). There are also 5 international distributors (which is also growing by the day).

Within a period of about 6 months and 1 week, 80 dealers averaging 30 units a month can easily move 15,000 units.

Khaos is big business, they have a 10 figure sales forecast (in Philippine currency) for this year. Mr. Planas, now in his 70's, labored for 3 decades to finally find success and comfort in life.

Only time will tell if this Filipino dream come true will endure or come crashing down in flames.

Either way it'll go down in history.

15,000 units
80 dealers
6 months of operation

Thats about 1 unit per day per dealer.

Have you thought of the overhead when you claimed that figure?

Thats ONE unit Khaos device costing P6,500.00 will pay for the ff:
-salary of the dealer
-salary of the mechanic/installer
-rent of the location
-logistics of distribution (delivery van, etc)
-advertising percentage
-advertising material (brochures, etc)
-percentage cut of the investor
-materials cost
-manufacturing cost
-hoses and fittings
-electricity
-phone

I wouldn't be surprised if the manufactured cost of the device is just P250 to P500 per piece. The remaining balance is gross profit.

[ghosthunter]

I am not bluffing. I am stating facts.

what facts? where are the supporting proper documentation that the device works as claimed?

I am not a marketing professional, nor was I trained to be one.

you could have fooled me.

Like all of you I am just giving my inputs as I know them.

uh-huh...., just like odee, vixen and what's-his-name-moochie.

There are at least 15,000 people who bought Khaos.

do you have the supporting documentation for this statement or are you just pulling "facts" out of thin air?

How many of them are happy with Khaos? I do not know. Who were duped? Who were suckered? So far I only know of 5.

five people we know even without trying to find them. How many more if we actively searched them out?

btw, is this an example of selective memory?

As in all purchases, buyers bear the risk.

...especially with PR people like Vixen.

However, the manufacturer of Khaos has a money back policy - it aint refined nor quick. But they will eventually give your money back.

duh!... they'll give you back your hard earned money after they have wasted a full day, a lot of gasoline and your precious time thru their so-called verification test.

[mazdamazda]

There are at least 15,000 people who bought Khaos.

the same people who bought:

[ghosthunter]

That is what I too want to know. I would like to see hard scientific evidence to back up their claims and numerous testimonials. At this point no one can really prove or disprove Khaos. It can't be proven here, we can all discuss, insult, rant, rave and argue until oblivion. Unless Khaos or a consumer rights group employs a competent third party to evaluate this product thoroughly, Khaos will remain a question mark.

The fact that Inventionhaus' much mentioned Taiwan testing figures shows a FAILING score for all tests (CO, NOx, hydrocarbons) when compared to US-EPA Federal standards should be more than enough to prove that Khaos device does NOT work as claimed.

"Reducing vehicle's emissions by almost 99%" is stated in the Khaos sales brochure but the taiwan test shows emissions of at least three (3) times more than the ACCEPTED LIMIT.

The reason why we have "standards" is so we can grade something if it will fail or pass, correct?

[ghosthunter]

Lets try to be objective and less philosophical.

Er...., the tsikot.com people here (from day-one) have been asking for proper proof, data and tests that khaos works as claimed. All we got from them are half-baked tests worth nothing, testimonials from god-knows-who-they-are and more advertising lines.

But yes, once Khaos is proven a dud there'll be a heap more than 80 who will belong to the P.T. Barnum adage.

I think Inventionhaus' taiwan test vs US EPA Federal Standards is more than enough to prove that its a dud, bud.

I wish I could take your line of thinking and judge it based on what was laid on the table and put this issue to rest.

thats just because you might be just another one in the long line starting from Odee, then Vixen, then whats-his-name-moochie...

But no it is still not enough, there is still reasonable doubt.

god! if all the people think like you, they wold still believe that the world is flat!

I am reserving judgement till I see the hard data I was talking about.

Ahem! Does the infamous Taiwan test ring a bell?

I heard an unconfirmed report that a thorough evaluation is underway in another country very soon.

let me guess,.... India?

If true, I will strive to get the results and relay it regardless of verdict.

I am not holding my breath....

[Bogeyman]

Lets try to be objective...

Let's be objective, period. Stop quoting all those fictional testimonials and dubious government endorsements, and show real data on what the device can and cannot do. Again, people are being intentionally MISLED into buying this product because Pablo Planas and Inventionhaus are using the threat of a fuel crisis in order to sell it. Whatever happened to advocating driving discipline and proper maintenance?

Either that, or let's just live with the fact that Planas' claims regarding his device simply defies every law of nature, physics and logic.

[Freeman]

15,000 units
80 dealers
6 months of operation

Thats about 1 unit per day per dealer.

Have you thought of the overhead when you claimed that figure?

Thats ONE unit Khaos device costing P6,500.00 will pay for the ff:
-salary of the dealer
-salary of the mechanic/installer
-rent of the location
-logistics of distribution (delivery van, etc)
-advertising percentage
-advertising material (brochures, etc)
-percentage cut of the investor
-materials cost
-manufacturing cost
-hoses and fittings
-electricity
-phone

I wouldn't be surprised if the manufactured cost of the device is just P250 to P500 per piece. The remaining balance is gross profit.

Now why are you getting into the subject of profitability? Your post here does nothing to dispell my claim that over 15,000 units have been sold since late 2003. Spend a day in Inventionhaus and you'll know what I mean.

[Freeman]

Where is your documentation to say otherwise that there are less than 15,000 chaos units sold? Is it so hard to believe that a local product can sell so much?

I am not a marketing professional period. My formal training was in computer programming. Do not be so easily fooled.

Do not discredit me by putting me in the league of Vixen and company. Just because I do not agree with you should not mean I am biased or in alliance with them. Review my posts and see where I am coming from.

I believe it is the other way around, it is you who are being the skeptic. You remain adamant on judgement based only on what you have read and heard. Have you had first-hand account?

For Inventionhaus to claim 99 percent reduction in emmision is downright irresponsible. Near impossible! But, if it reduces emmissions significantly then there is something to it. In this light, the Taiwan test is inconclusive because we do not know exactly what level of emissions the engine was registering before the Khaos device was fitted? For all we know the readings could have been 100, 200, or 400 times more before Khaos was fitted.

India. So what if it were actually done in India? It is a highly industrialized nation with a unique culture. I hope you are not implying that nothing good can come out from India if it were evaluated there.

You need not hold your breath. There is something else that needs to be held back. But I will leave that to your discretion.

[Freeman]

Let's be objective, period. Stop quoting all those fictional testimonials and dubious government endorsements, and show real data on what the device can and cannot do. Again, people are being intentionally MISLED into buying this product because Pablo Planas and Inventionhaus are using the threat of a fuel crisis in order to sell it. Whatever happened to advocating driving discipline and proper maintenance?

Either that, or let's just live with the fact that Planas' claims regarding his device simply defies every law of nature, physics and logic.

I think you have mistakened me for someone else. Kindly point out to me and the readers where I (Freeman) have quoted testimonials and endorsements.

I agree with you that it is the times (poor economy, high fuel prices) that directly benefit the sales of Khaos. But to accuse the inventor and distributor of misleading the public is a baseless accusation at this point.

Alright, I agree Planas creation is incredible. That can be interpreted as either good or bad.

[BioActiv]

ahaa! i just got information regrding khaos. Guys, you've seen different politician endorsing this product, you know why? Mr. Vasquez, wwho happens to be the distributor of Khaos has been a great suppoter of this so called politician!!! Think of it. It's kumpareng Noli, Kakamping Mike D, and prosecutor SB!! Yan amg mga pasimuno. For all we know, politician works this way. If you happen to help them, ofcourse may kapalit! And it is payback time!!! Grabe..... When kaya tayo mag move unconditionally?