Khaos Super Gas Saver

[GlennSter]

Originally posted by van_wilder
vixen ako na lang gagawa basta ba ***y at maganda ka eh... hehehehe joke! baka sabihin mo bastos kami eh... wala naman personalan... wag kang mapikon... tutal wala ka naman benefit eh... beside ang inaattack naman ay yun product eh hindi ikaw...

bwahrharhrh..loka loka!!

uy guys binabanatan na kayo tungkol sa makina..tskjtsktsk...sige kayo muna.WALA AKONG ALAM SA MAKINA EH.alam ko lang eh...kumain ng madami...=)

[vixen]

van pasimple eh.. di nga bastos pasimple naman...

LMAO!

don't you know jokes are 100% half-meant and sybaritical leacherous words are dangerous ;)

[GlennSter]

vixen. check your pm.

[mazdamazda]

Originally posted by vixen
baby mazdamazda... I think what you've just posted here is the "weight method" of the car that was used in the testing. i think that was mitsubishi.

Ang tinitignan po dun yung idle or idling concentration. where in the test result says its 0.1% so how could you say it didnt pass...

kindly post the results here... and i'll research on it...

Originally posted by vixen
you know naman cguro what happens to the 'butterfly' or throttle pag nag accelerate ka and tapos bigla kang nag decrease ng speed at ano nangyayari sa makina. di ba nag i-idle? and when that happens dun nagkakaron ng unburned fuel na nagca-cause ng harmful pollutants...

actually... that is the result of the wrong driving technique being utilized by drivers... wherein when they want to brake, they place first the tranny into neutral before stepping on the brakes. this driving technique also decreases the vehicle's braking powers and makes the car less manueverable (since the tranny is already in neutral).

the proper way of braking is to step first on the brakes then just use the clutch when it the engine speed is already at 1K RPM, then put the tranny to neutral. in this way the throttle is still left open to properly burn out the fuel.

for automatic & CV tranny equipped vehicles, what benefit would KSTC supposedly give them?

care for a rebuttal? ;)

[Poops]

That's what I thought too before since the vacuum may not be enough to control the steering and brakes. Then someone told me that if you look at the vacuum even at idle, it's more than enough...

care to enlighten us?

Otherwise, the clutch/neutral way when coasting is the least stressful and economical (mileage) way to cover the distance.

[Alfalfameister]

To proponents of KHAOS: please refute arguments made by the engineer from this website:

http://www.fuelsaving.info/air_bleed.htm

I remember the inventor saying something about the 14-15 air:fuel ratio (stoichiometric ratio) which is indeed the ideal ratio. However, the arguments about the [lack of] effectiveness of air bleed devices are convincing.

Specifically, please explain how khaos circumvents the NOx emissions problems (since NOx measurements are rare, but I suppose the inventor of khaos may have access to it?).

Also, since modern ECUs can detect changes in air pressure, how does khaos go around that problem as well? In the khaos website, some noted personalities have installed it in their Ford Expeditions (cars with rather modern ECUs).

Thanks for any enlightenment.

[empy]

Originally posted by vixen
kiss my buttcheeks.

woohoo! another personal attack!!

or was that an invitation? basta freshly showered ok lang!!

in all seriousness, i'd love to tell you what i think of people who try to fleece hard-earned money out of the uninformed, but the words i would use would violate forum guidelines ;)

[empy]

Originally posted by vixen
kiss my buttcheeks.

woohoo! another personal attack!!

or was that an invitation? basta freshly showered ok lang!!

in all seriousness, i'd love to tell you what i think of people who try to fleece hard-earned money out of the uninformed, but the words i would use would violate forum guidelines ;)

[mazdamazda]

Originally posted by Poops
That's what I thought too before since the vacuum may not be enough to control the steering and brakes. Then someone told me that if you look at the vacuum even at idle, it's more than enough...

care to enlighten us?

Otherwise, the clutch/neutral way when coasting is the least stressful and economical (mileage) way to cover the distance.

just type in "clutch coasting" in google and you'll be enlightened (unlike the "someone" that told you that)... bottom-line is that "coasting" is only permissible for very short distances only (maximum is the length of your vehicle).

Q

I was taught to drive a car with a manual transmission and to disengage the clutch BEFORE braking. Since a manual transmission has a MECHANICAL link to the engine, how is it possible to brake while the clutch is engaged on a BIG RIG without stalling? This is confusing me.

A

You can, and indeed you MUST, brake while the clutch is engaged. The only time that you will have the clutch depressed is between gears as you shift up or down or when you are at a complete stop waiting to start moving again. The trick is that you must keep the engine's rpms in the "operating range" (usually from 1000 rpms to 1700 rpms) by constantly downshifting as you slow to a stop. Once downshifting slows you down, and just before you come to a stop, depress the clutch fully and apply more pressure on the brakes and slow to a stop.

In an automobile, you are dealing with a lot less weight than a truck and it's no real chore for the brakes to slow or stop the lighter car without using the drive train to help slow the vehicle down. While you should be downshifting and slowing the car down using the whole drive train, most people are not actually trained to properly drive standard transmissions and they usually take their tests for a regular driver's license in a car equipped with an automatic transmission. Anytime the car or truck is in motion and you have the clutch to the floor it's called "coasting out of gear." It's very common and it's one of the "bad car habits" that will drive an instructor to yank what's left of his hair out by the roots!

There is about a four second rule when using the clutch. If you are moving down the road or approaching an intersection, you have about a four second period of time to be on the clutch before the examiner will start taking notice and possibly taking off points (or adding them) from your score.

Driving techniques. Drivers always should use the brakes, instead of the clutch and gas pedals, to stop a vehicle on an incline. Using the clutch and gas pedals to balance on a hill generates heat, increases wear and causes the brake lights to be off. And, coasting down inclines with the clutch depressed can result in clutch disc speeds that can damage the clutch.

Common Driving Faults

GEARS:
Coasting with clutch down.
Coasting in neutral.

[niky]

yup, best to stay in power, gives you more control over the situation, too.

BTW, (late nanaman ako), modern MAP and MAF sensors detect a pressure change fron throttle closure BEFORE such change can be registered mechanically AFTER the throttle. They operate in millisecond increments. Also, some modern cars have throttle wire gimmicks (like blipping the throttle between changes or when coasting to a stop (right before the car reaches idle) to help with emissions. Unauthorized air bleeds circumvent these controls and may cause even brand new cars to fail emissions testing.

A lot of emissions control on new cars comes not only from the catalytic converter, but from proper MAF/MAP function. This is especially true of new Toyotas and Mazdas/Fords, which tend to run very hot engines.

[vixen]

well, m54 you were asking for a kiss so i just answered it...


Anyhow,

mazdamazda darling, pahabol lang... did you read the Test Standard and Procedure that is located in the third lower box of the first page...? it says that driving cycle, idle & evaporative emission control are the measures for exhaust emission certificate issuance & revocation for gasoline alternative clean fuel-engine vehicle. together with this, is the Positive Crank Case ventilation valve (PCV) etc blah blah. kahit sa ibang emission test ganun din po ang procedure it depends na lang sa standard nila. pero I think dito lang sa pinas iba ang standard.

correct me if im wrong, sa US kase ang standard ng test nila is 0.5% while here in the Rep of Phils, 4.11%.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by vixen
well, m54 you were asking for a kiss so i just answered it...


Anyhow,

mazdamazda darling, pahabol lang... did you read the Test Standard and Procedure that is located in the third lower box of the first page...? it says that driving cycle, idle & evaporative emission control are the measures for exhaust emission certificate issuance & revocation for gasoline alternative clean fuel-engine vehicle. together with this, is the Positive Crank Case ventilation valve (PCV) etc blah blah. kahit sa ibang emission test ganun din po ang procedure it depends na lang sa standard nila. pero I think dito lang sa pinas iba ang standard.

correct me if im wrong, sa US kase ang standard ng test nila is 0.5% while here in the Rep of Phils, 4.11%.

from the KHAOS brochure:

"SAVE MONEY, MORE POWER, ZERO POLLUTION"

so all your blah blah blah doesn't hold water for the claim of ZERO POLLUTION, right?

[Angel Pizza]

bkit po kaya karamihan sa kanila nilalagyan ng Turbo yung pangalan ng device. Parang nagcause ng wrong inputs sa isip ng tao.

[GlennSter]

angel pizza..it's a marketing strategy./...

people tend to be "impressed" sa mga products na nilalagyan ng mga words that they dont understand...

tingnan mo example..delmonte pineapple juice...ginagamitan ng "phytochemicals" or whatever...para mabilib ang tao at bilin ang produkto.taking advantage of people's innocence...or stupidity.

[empy]

Originally posted by vixen
well, m54 you were asking for a kiss so i just answered it...

i hope you know that i'm just joking around with you. i kinda gave up on getting good info so now nakikipaglokohan na lang ako sa iyo.

no hard feelings on my end.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by Angel Pizza
bkit po kaya karamihan sa kanila nilalagyan ng Turbo yung pangalan ng device. Parang nagcause ng wrong inputs sa isip ng tao.

its false advertising... The "turbo" tag adds some marketing value, thats all.

Its like they can always advertise Khaos like this...

Khaos Super Fuel Saver... now enriched with Vitamin C.

... and that will make just as much sense as "Khaos Super Turbo Charger".

:D

[doc eric]

as the saying goes,

"If you think getting an education is expensive, try ignorance."

[doc eric]

It's always good to "agree to disagree" while having a discussion such as this.

At the end of the day, in the spirit of sportsmanship and decency, there is no sight more beautiful than the loser "conceding with a smile and shakes the hand of the victor".

Then there are no losers....only enlightened heads and restored pride

[ghosthunter]

Here's some info:

IF you have bought the khaos device and for some reason you want to get the refund guarantee ... you'll need to have your vehicle tested by the people from khaos. They said the vehicle will be pumped full of gasoline then driven around for 15 kilometers. If and when they have verified that you didn't save any gas, they will refund your money.

[SunTzu]

meron daw silang bagong product ah.. Khaos Super Spark Plug. read it in manila bulletin yesterday. hehe