Hybrids and EV

[ale828]

pardon my stupid and ignorant questions on this I-DM tech but:

1. if the electric engine malfunctions, can the ICE still run? if so, for how long assuming you do not repair the electric engine?
2. if the ICE malfunctions, can the electric engine still run? If so, for how long assuming you do not repair the ICE?
3. or if one malfunctions, then is the whole system compromised and the vehicle is "left for dead?"

Toyota's Prius i have read would stop if any of its hybrid system or battery is dead or malfunctioning. This was from the older Prius (2nd-3rd gen). not sure if Toyota rectified it with the newer Prius models or via update on the older models.

surprisingly i rarely hear news about EV/Hybrids Electrical engine going bad/malfunctioning. its usually the battery first that has problems.
I am not sure if you can do a full bypass of the Electrical engine in a pure hybrid/PHEV.

[cityfolk]

Toyota hybrids doesn't have a separate starter motor and relies on one of its MGUs to start the ICE. So if the battery is dead you won't be able to start it.

[Verbl Kint]

https://www.geotab.com/uk/press-rele...y-degradation/

Geotab, a company that develops and markets telematics hardware and software for use with motor vehicles, has just released a detailed study on EV batteries. Here is the conclusion:


With a degradation rate of just 1.8% per year, the vast majority of EV batteries will outlast the usable life of the vehicle.


“EV batteries will never need to be replaced”; the findings bust one of the long-held myths around electric vehicles – that batteries are less reliable than their ICE counterpart."

Geotab analysed the battery health of approximately 5,000 electric vehicles (EVs), representing 1.5 million days of data


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The same study has been cited by numerous articles online the past few days or so but I don't think it has been peer-reviewed yet (such a review will probably take a year or so).

[boybi]

https://www.geotab.com/uk/press-rele...y-degradation/

Geotab, a company that develops and markets telematics hardware and software for use with motor vehicles, has just released a detailed study on EV batteries. Here is the conclusion:


With a degradation rate of just 1.8% per year, the vast majority of EV batteries will outlast the usable life of the vehicle.


“EV batteries will never need to be replaced”; the findings bust one of the long-held myths around electric vehicles – that batteries are less reliable than their ICE counterpart."

Geotab analysed the battery health of approximately 5,000 electric vehicles (EVs), representing 1.5 million days of data


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The same study has been cited by numerous articles online the past few days or so but I don't think it has been peer-reviewed yet (such a review will probably take a year or so).

Average life if EV batts have been reported to last at least 15yrs.

Pag wasak na mga kotse, they get the batt and use it as power storage for their solar system.

[Ry_Tower]

https://www.geotab.com/uk/press-rele...y-degradation/

Geotab, a company that develops and markets telematics hardware and software for use with motor vehicles, has just released a detailed study on EV batteries. Here is the conclusion:


With a degradation rate of just 1.8% per year, the vast majority of EV batteries will outlast the usable life of the vehicle.


“EV batteries will never need to be replaced”; the findings bust one of the long-held myths around electric vehicles – that batteries are less reliable than their ICE counterpart."

Geotab analysed the battery health of approximately 5,000 electric vehicles (EVs), representing 1.5 million days of data


__________
The same study has been cited by numerous articles online the past few days or so but I don't think it has been peer-reviewed yet (such a review will probably take a year or so).

Why EV Batteries Last Longer Than Cell Phone Batteries

Makes sense. Kaya bigger laptops lasts longer than smaller onces. Compactness has a price, for batteries.

[Motortrend]

https://www.geotab.com/uk/press-rele...y-degradation/

Geotab, a company that develops and markets telematics hardware and software for use with motor vehicles, has just released a detailed study on EV batteries. Here is the conclusion:


With a degradation rate of just 1.8% per year, the vast majority of EV batteries will outlast the usable life of the vehicle.


“EV batteries will never need to be replaced”; the findings bust one of the long-held myths around electric vehicles – that batteries are less reliable than their ICE counterpart."

Geotab analysed the battery health of approximately 5,000 electric vehicles (EVs), representing 1.5 million days of data


__________
The same study has been cited by numerous articles online the past few days or so but I don't think it has been peer-reviewed yet (such a review will probably take a year or so).

Agree that this needs to be peer reviewed. Sounds too good to be true.

[dr. d]

https://www.geotab.com/uk/press-rele...y-degradation/

Geotab, a company that develops and markets telematics hardware and software for use with motor vehicles, has just released a detailed study on EV batteries. Here is the conclusion:


With a degradation rate of just 1.8% per year, the vast majority of EV batteries will outlast the usable life of the vehicle.


“EV batteries will never need to be replaced”; the findings bust one of the long-held myths around electric vehicles – that batteries are less reliable than their ICE counterpart."

Geotab analysed the battery health of approximately 5,000 electric vehicles (EVs), representing 1.5 million days of data


__________
The same study has been cited by numerous articles online the past few days or so but I don't think it has been peer-reviewed yet (such a review will probably take a year or so).

yespo.

while being quoted does give some credence of credibility,
i would like to read about other folks who also made similar studies, independent of each other, and compare their results with each other...

there are studies in medical research,
their findings are so... outstanding.
but and alas, no one else seems to be able to duplicate and verify them.

[LOLZ]

Why EV Batteries Last Longer Than Cell Phone Batteries

Makes sense. Kaya bigger laptops lasts longer than smaller onces. Compactness has a price, for batteries.

Somewhat similar to SSDs they tend to last longer if you don't fill them out to capacity all the time.

[Vodka]

well batteries really last a long time if they have cooling. cars like teslas have very elaborate cooling systems, cooled with chilled water

but something like a vinfast vf3 doesn't

[LOLZ]

pardon my stupid and ignorant questions on this I-DM tech but:

1. if the electric engine malfunctions, can the ICE still run? if so, for how long assuming you do not repair the electric engine?
2. if the ICE malfunctions, can the electric engine still run? If so, for how long assuming you do not repair the ICE?
3. or if one malfunctions, then is the whole system compromised and the vehicle is "left for dead?"

Not sure with the DM-i and its safeguards but...

If its like the prius you can have the ICE punch a hole in the block and be able to drive until the battery gets depleted to limp it home but losing large parts of the hybrid system will leave you stranded since the hybrid system is also responsible for the ICE's starting and Gear ratio selection.

The larger traction motor can deteriorate and still be driveable (provided the rest of the hybrid system and ICE is in good enough condition). Purportedly the common error associated with the fault will trigger a no-drive condition in gen 2 prius but can be bypassed by removing the 12V battery to reset the fault code.

Motor failure is uncommon though and its usually the Hybrid battery that fails first which seems to be detected and reported early enough that some can still get to highway speeds okay but will get worse and worse as the Hybrid battery deteriorates further. You can only set neutral with the 12V battery if you completely lose the HV battery.

[111prez]

will the Philippines follow suit? ... https://bilyonaryo.com/2024/09/22/us...-say/mobility/

[Vodka]

will the Philippines follow suit? ... https://bilyonaryo.com/2024/09/22/us...-say/mobility/

speaking of exploding pagers... china could blow up EV batts as well

[dr. d]

will the Philippines follow suit? ... https://bilyonaryo.com/2024/09/22/us...-say/mobility/

... if china won't be allowed to supply them with those thingamajigs,
who will step in to fill up the vacuum, and how fast?

[Verbl Kint]

will the Philippines follow suit? ... https://bilyonaryo.com/2024/09/22/us...-say/mobility/

It's unlikely as China is our largest trading partner, and has been for nearly a decade now (take a wild guess whose administration that started in).

One reason why the government is not going all-out in the West PH Sea is because of the above.

[ice15]

will the Philippines follow suit? ... https://bilyonaryo.com/2024/09/22/us...-say/mobility/

we didn't follow the ban on Huawei... so kalimutan na natin na susunod tayo.

[carxynogen]

we didn't follow the ban on Huawei... so kalimutan na natin na susunod tayo.

Yupp, our wifi router from ISP provider are flooded with Huawei brand.
Walang alam mostly mga politiko natin about this since puro lawyer nakaloklok sa pwesto ngayon.

[ale828]

will the Philippines follow suit? ... https://bilyonaryo.com/2024/09/22/us...-say/mobility/

Majority of Pinoys can't afford the alternative.
The same goes for cars, EV, Cellphones and such.

Majority of Pinoys would rather buy a good reputable non china brand for the same price as the chinese alternative but there is none at its price point.

[Walter]

They could ... at the very least ... stop using Tiktok ... but this generation ... is lacking in IQ ... when it comes to social media use ...

[Dr.Kamiya]

Majority of Pinoys can't afford the alternative.
The same goes for cars, EV, Cellphones and such.

Majority of Pinoys would rather buy a good reputable non china brand for the same price as the chinese alternative but there is none at its price point.

For phones and tablets Samsung is surprisingly competitive at the low-end. I guess they adjusted their lineup after having most of this market eaten by the Chinese brands.

I've been shopping for a basic wifi-only tablet recently. Most PC stores were recommending Xiaomi/Redmi. Went to check the Samsung store and found a surprisingly competitive lineup.

Redmi Pad: 8/256, 18k : Mediatek Helio G99 (6 nm) / Octa-core (2x2.2 GHz Cortex-A76 & 6x2.0 GHz Cortex-A55)

Samsung Galaxy Tab A9+: 8/128, 15k : Qualcomm SM6375 Snapdragon 695 5G (6 nm) / Octa-core (2x2.2 GHz Kryo 660 Gold & 6x1.8 GHz Kryo 660 Silver)
It's also on-sale at Shopee/Lazada for 12k

For phones too the Galaxy A25 is 8/256 5nm and 5G for under 20k

[111prez]

For phones and tablets Samsung is surprisingly competitive at the low-end. I guess they adjusted their lineup after having most of this market eaten by the Chinese brands.

I've been shopping for a basic wifi-only tablet recently. Most PC stores were recommending Xiaomi/Redmi. Went to check the Samsung store and found a surprisingly competitive lineup.

Redmi Pad: 8/256, 18k : Mediatek Helio G99 (6 nm) / Octa-core (2x2.2 GHz Cortex-A76 & 6x2.0 GHz Cortex-A55)

Samsung Galaxy Tab A9+: 8/128, 15k : Qualcomm SM6375 Snapdragon 695 5G (6 nm) / Octa-core (2x2.2 GHz Kryo 660 Gold & 6x1.8 GHz Kryo 660 Silver)
It's also on-sale at Shopee/Lazada for 12k

For phones too the Galaxy A25 is 8/256 5nm and 5G for under 20k

Samsung is competing. I would go for Samsung