Hybrids and EV

[boybi]

Total cost of ownership might still lean to the Atto 3. The no-charging-at-home part will seriously suck, though.

Di ba may free wall chargers dapat when you buy an EV?

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10-11 pesos only in some areas ...

In my place it’s 12.00+/kwhr. I don’t know the rate in metro manila.

[carxynogen]

Di ba may free wall chargers dapat when you buy an EV?

Parang lately ata, may mga model na need mag shell out ng additional cash para makuha yung wall chargers.

[Walter]

Free wall charger with BYD ... then they'll charge 15T-20T to install ...

[Verbl Kint]

Di ba may free wall chargers dapat when you buy an EV?

Yes, but if you live in a condo, there's no place to connect the wall charger, unfortunately.

I know someone who lives in BGC and basically relies on chargers outside his bldg. I'm thinking he'll be ok now, but as more and more people buy EV's, charging might become a pain in the butt for him.

[boybi]

Free wall charger with BYD ... then they'll charge 15T-20T to install ...

Ok na pala yung charge sa akin na 18K for provincial installation kung ganyan kamahal charge ni BYD.

[ale828]

I computed it and I dont think an electric car is worth it if that is one's only way of charging

An Atto 3 does 6.7km per KWH, which at that charging rate costs P5.2 per KM. A comparatively sized, similarly priced Corolla Cross does about 17KM/L. At P60 per liter, it costs P3.52 to run it. Of course, charging at home will halve the cost of running the electric car but not everyone has that benefit. Probably better to get a Corolla Cross or Sealion if one cant charge at home at all.

Are those fuel efficiency mixed or pure city driving?
i doubt that 17km/L in full City driving for the corolla cross hybrid.
Most hybrids can do 15 max on pure city driving. Unless of course its in very light city driving.
EV maximize their efficiency in very heavy traffic compared to similar ice or hybrid.

My EV which has Dual Motors consumes roughly the same fuel efficiency around 6-7km/Kwh in pure city driving. EDSA, buendia, makati traffic.
An Atto3 with only one motor should consume less and have better fuel efficiency.


EV are best for people with their own Garages. Solar set up is a big plus and it can mean zero cost of fuel if the sun is shinning high.
Condo dwellers are better with Hybrids or PHEV until their Condo association allows them to install chargers in their parking slots.

You have to also factor in the PMS of EV which is just once a year and it just top up of coolant, fluid and maybe filter replacement.
Most will not cost over 10K some thou may not even over 5K.

[viper888]

Are those fuel efficiency mixed or pure city driving?
i doubt that 17km/L in full City driving for the corolla cross hybrid.
Most hybrids can do 15 max on pure city driving. Unless of course its in very light city driving.
EV maximize their efficiency in very heavy traffic compared to similar ice or hybrid.

My EV which has Dual Motors consumes roughly the same fuel efficiency around 6-7km/Kwh in pure city driving. EDSA, buendia, makati traffic.
An Atto3 with only one motor should consume less and have better fuel efficiency.


EV are best for people with their own Garages. Solar set up is a big plus and it can mean zero cost of fuel if the sun is shinning high.
Condo dwellers are better with Hybrids or PHEV until their Condo association allows them to install chargers in their parking slots.

You have to also factor in the PMS of EV which is just once a year and it just top up of coolant, fluid and maybe filter replacement.
Most will not cost over 10K some thou may not even over 5K.

The 17KPL figure is for mixed city and highway. An electric SUV will be much more efficient in stop and go traffic than a hybrid. Youre correct I did not assume maintenance costs but that is more difficult to predict. A lot of people do more than 5k a year though with these cars, especially since many are looking at this as their only vehicle with a coding exemption.

[ale828]

Yes, EV are best for City driving.
If you do mostly highway driving then a Hybrid is best or PHEV so you can have best of both.
During short open Highway trip from makati to alabang, my EV consumes a lot more than what i usually see using my previous diesel car.
ICE cars usually consume less as you get and maintain a higher speed while in an EV you consume a lot more energy as you try to get and maintain a high speed.

[111prez]

balik ICE mga ev bus sa bansang CHINA WUHAN VIRUS ...

[Yatta]

[Dr.Kamiya]

Hyundai, BYD and Tesla are really aggressive with pricing, giving customers almost full benefit of the tax breaks, whereas traditional brands tended to pocket a good portion of the savings.

If you look at Tesla's lineup and compare local price with US price sometimes our cars are even cheaper.

I'm not jumping on it right now, but I'll definitely get an EV before the tax breaks expire.

[viper888]

Same, Im definitely getting one before the tax breaks expire. I would consider either the Base Model 3, Sealion 6, or I'd play it somewhat safe and get a Corolla Cross. However things move so fast you never know whats available in 2-3 years. Two to three years ago all you could buy was a nearly 3m Nissan Leaf, gray market Teslas, and some other niche vehicles.

[Dr.Kamiya]

Yeah a friend's dad got into EVs with a BMW iX, but quickly sold it then got into BYDs.
He said not worth it keeping a luxury EV since even the cheaper ones are just as good, plus tech is moving pretty fast so depreciation hits hard.

If it depreciates 50% in 5 years, then you lose 3.2M with a 6.5M car, which is enough to buy a whole BYD Han/Seal or Tesla model Y/3.

[111prez]

resale value close to scrap, Geely bottomline will take a big hit, sa bansang CHINA WUHAN VIRUS ...

Just a moment...

[ale828]

Hyundai, BYD and Tesla are really aggressive with pricing, giving customers almost full benefit of the tax breaks, whereas traditional brands tended to pocket a good portion of the savings.

If you look at Tesla's lineup and compare local price with US price sometimes our cars are even cheaper.

I'm not jumping on it right now, but I'll definitely get an EV before the tax breaks expire.

Tesla's are relatively cheap because they use a Direct to Consumer Sales practice. No middle man, no added dealer profits.
Added bonus for Tesla are they have OTA updates. New features get added up from time to time. Some useful others are just added entertainment all without paying, other than the internet used to connect.

When was the last time a feature was added to your Toyota car without any cost to the consumer, of course if its being replaced under warrant is another matter.

[carxynogen]

Tesla's are relatively cheap because they use a Direct to Consumer Sales practice. No middle man, no added dealer profits.
Added bonus for Tesla are they have OTA updates. New features get added up from time to time. Some useful others are just added entertainment all without paying, other than the internet used to connect.

When was the last time a feature was added to your Toyota car without any cost to the consumer, of course if its being replaced under warrant is another matter.

BYD also have OTA updates.
Unfortunately, what I saw in socmed was that their BYD won't start/run because it needs an update to be completed.
But cannot complete the update because the data signal was crappy due to it was parked in the basement.

Im assuming Tesla might also encounter this issue.

[boybi]

BYD also have OTA updates.
Unfortunately, what I saw in socmed was that their BYD won't start/run because it needs an update to be completed.
But cannot complete the update because the data signal was crappy due to it was parked in the basement.

Im assuming Tesla might also encounter this issue.

Maybe this can be fixed if there's an option to turn off auto update?

[Verbl Kint]

Geely's Generation C is about to be launched.

200hp and 310Nm on a compact EV hatchback weighing 1.7 tons sounds like a good ride. I find the exterior styling a bit bland, though, but I do like the minimalist interior.

[ale828]

BYD also have OTA updates.
Unfortunately, what I saw in socmed was that their BYD won't start/run because it needs an update to be completed.
But cannot complete the update because the data signal was crappy due to it was parked in the basement.

Im assuming Tesla might also encounter this issue.

True. Most EV actually have OTA updates.
Buti nga BYD made it OTA.

MY EV and other EV's here in the Phil. currently requires a visit to the casa for the Update. it is free naman hassle lang yung time spent.

the only downside with OTA nga is that just like a cellphone you can't run it until matapos yung Update and installation.

[GTcervan]

Since they have software and thus require files or data to operate, it's quite possible they can become affected by virus.

I've also read that it's possible to override the system. For example, if they're not safe to use on public roads or if one of them was involved in criminal activities, then their respective makers can program the cars to avoid them from running, have them shut down, be given restrictions or something like that.