Toyota Innova Owners & Discussions [ARCHIVED]

[number001]

Toyota Philippines has not yet released any public documents on the E10 compliant vehicles that they have released in the Philippines....sucks really slow even on warranties (I have a warranty claim running 2 months now)

What's wrong with Toyota Philippines...sleeping on broad daylight!!!

Actually in fairness to TMPI, they did release a memo to their dealers. But its not widely disseminated, or even distributed to end users at all.

http://tsikot.yehey.com/gallery/data/500/E10_MEMO_1.jpg

http://tsikot.yehey.com/gallery/data/500/E10_MEMO_2.jpg

[Mile2]

Actually in fairness to TMPI, they did release a memo to their dealers. But its not widely disseminated, or even distributed to end users at all.

http://tsikot.yehey.com/gallery/data/500/E10_MEMO_1.jpg

http://tsikot.yehey.com/gallery/data/500/E10_MEMO_2.jpg

It's not fair at all when it is not publicly mentioned in writing to end users, TMPI and dealers can blame users/owners when something goes wrong with the cars fuel system as stated in the memo and denies warranty.

[attyallanlatras]

Actually in fairness to TMPI, they did release a memo to their dealers. But its not widely disseminated, or even distributed to end users at all.

http://tsikot.yehey.com/gallery/data/500/E10_MEMO_1.jpg

http://tsikot.yehey.com/gallery/data/500/E10_MEMO_2.jpg

tsk tsk tsk...the memo is still dated 2006, that is, around 3 years ago, yet until now there is still no official and public announcement from Toyota Philippines on the use of E10...BAD, TOO BAD...

[Robenson]

Whatever it is, I can really feel the difference between 93 to 95 octane. If it isn't power, well it must be something else. Or maybe, just my imagination

* Miles, just curious, how about the lpg? is there octane rating for it?

Anyway, I just want to know if you guys have the same experience regarding this:

Everytime I start the engine, I noticed that the fuel guage points lower than when I left it. But after a few minutes of driving, it comes back to where it was, moving few centimeters higher. Just kind of weird.

On a different note:

I had my 45K pms yesterday at toyota shaw, it cost me P1,300+
They changed the oil filter, inspect the brakes, air filter and something about the steering.

Do I need to change the air filter after 5k kms of use, or it doesnt make much of a difference?

Thanks

[Mile2]

Whatever it is, I can really feel the difference between 93 to 95 octane. If it isn't power, well it must be something else. Or maybe, just my imagination

* Miles, just curious, how about the lpg? is there octane rating for it?

Anyway, I just want to know if you guys have the same experience regarding this:

Everytime I start the engine, I noticed that the fuel guage points lower than when I left it. But after a few minutes of driving, it comes back to where it was, moving few centimeters higher. Just kind of weird.

On a different note:

I had my 45K pms yesterday at toyota shaw, it cost me P1,300+
They changed the oil filter, inspect the brakes, air filter and something about the steering.

Do I need to change the air filter after 5k kms of use, or it doesnt make much of a difference?

Thanks

The Octane rating of LPG (110) is far higher than that of raw Petrol , thus no Octane enhancing additives are required and in economic terms LPG is cheap to produce (less additives and filtering are required)

In environmental terms the burning of LPG produces less CO2, virtually no CO or SO2.

Benefits:
It's not just the environment that benefits (as if that were not enough). Your engine will not suffer the attack of acidic combustion products increasing internal wear and erosion. Engine oil deteriorates at a far slower rate as no acids and almost no carbon deposits reduce its effectiveness. Less oil sludge (and resultant blocking or restricting of crucial engine oil supply drillings or capilliaries) is a large gain. Average engine oil temperatures may be significantly reduced if circulated oil volumes are maintained, further reducing oil degradation and reducing engine wear. As for other parts of the vehicle, the useful life of exhaust systems has been proven to be extended by three times when LPG is used as a fuel.

Drawbacks:
Propane has a lower calorific value than petrol when vapourised. In real terms that means the driver must put his or her 'foot down' more to achieve the same speed or rate of speed increase (acceleration). As the calorific value of LPG is some 20% lower than that of petrol the resulting consumption per litre is worse than petrol by a similar amount. This slight disadvantage is far outweighed by the price advantage (less than half of the cost). You'll cover 10 - 20% less Km's per litre of liquid fuel when using LPG instead of petrol, but your overall fuel costs will still be more than halved.


About your question to Air filter replacement, it would be every 20K kms as per PMS scheduled in our owner's handbook guide.

[timo07]

Yes, you are right that there's no relationship between octane ratings and cleaning ability. But how Oil Companies positioned their products will make us choose whether we want cheaper or above normal cost of fuels. If you want more fuel enhancer/cleaner you'll find them on premium oil products and you'll have to pay more. It's all about product positioning.

It is not just about combustion chamber carbon cleanup that would dictate your cars performance. What about your fuel system? can regular unleaded clean your fuel system? I won't hurt a lot if you use premium unleaded like Caltex with Techron once in a while. Just an advice

Generally, it was E10 we should be worried about since Gasoline stations right now are selling unleaded without the E10 tag, but what they pump in to your tank was E10.

Toyota Philippines has not yet released any public documents on the E10 compliant vehicles that they have released in the Philippines....sucks really slow even on warranties (I have a warranty claim running 2 months now)

Honda Philippines website has list of Honda cars that are not E10 compliant, http://www.hondamakati.com.ph/Ver2/N...ubmit=Features

What's wrong with Toyota Philippines...sleeping on broad daylight!!!

Right on the money Mile2. That is why I was loading up on Petron E10 (XCS-95 Octane with ethanol and with a price lower than XCS which is their premium variant) normally but alas! when I loaded this morning, no more XCS E10, just the Extra Unleaded standardized, I think, with 10% blend of ethanol.

Whatever it is, I can really feel the difference between 93 to 95 octane. If it isn't power, well it must be something else. Or maybe, just my imagination

* Miles, just curious, how about the lpg? is there octane rating for it?

Anyway, I just want to know if you guys have the same experience regarding this:

Everytime I start the engine, I noticed that the fuel guage points lower than when I left it. But after a few minutes of driving, it comes back to where it was, moving few centimeters higher. Just kind of weird.

On a different note:

I had my 45K pms yesterday at toyota shaw, it cost me P1,300+
They changed the oil filter, inspect the brakes, air filter and something about the steering.

Do I need to change the air filter after 5k kms of use, or it doesnt make much of a difference?

Thanks

I can also feel the difference between a 93 and 95 octane rated fuel. That is the benefit of increased detonation resistance translating to a seemingly more powerful engine. The engine responds well when you step on the gas as there is minimal or non-existent detonation or "knocking".

At a cost of Php3000+, changing the air filter every 5K will increase your maintenance cost. It was discussed in this thread that the recommended interval is about 20,000km. Better yet, why not follow what Mile2 had done. He used and retrofitted a washable/reusable filter (K&N). I haven't had the time yet but I'll do this.

Mile2, up to how many km do you think we can use this type of filter?
Thanks..

[bratski]

before when i was using 93 octane my innova would always "ping" when loaded, even though i switched to 95 octane still there is a slight "pinging" when under hard acceleration. when i went to baguio a few months ago i had a chance to do the "italian tune-up", it cleared all the carbon deposits, now even at 93 octane and the engine at full load, the pinging from the engine is gone

[number001]

before when i was using 93 octane my innova would always "ping" when loaded, even though i switched to 95 octane still there is a slight "pinging" when under hard acceleration. when i went to baguio a few months ago i had a chance to do the "italian tune-up", it cleared all the carbon deposits, now even at 93 octane and the engine at full load, the pinging from the engine is gone

pls. expound on this "italian tune-up". thanks!

[woohoo]

pls. expound on this "italian tune-up". thanks!

Italian Tune-up: http://www.tendcar.com/car-repair/car-1652.html

[bratski]

pls. expound on this "italian tune-up". thanks!

this is where you rev your engine higher than usual (about 4k-6krpm)and doing high speed runs. the reason its called italian tune up is because ferrari uses this method to break in their engines. all my innova's life was spent driving in the city with lots of stop and go and idling time. this causes carbon build up over time.

[Mile2]

At a cost of Php3000+, changing the air filter every 5K will increase your maintenance cost. It was discussed in this thread that the recommended interval is about 20,000km. Better yet, why not follow what Mile2 had done. He used and retrofitted a washable/reusable filter (K&N). I haven't had the time yet but I'll do this.

Mile2, up to how many km do you think we can use this type of filter?
Thanks..

It was not a K&N filter, like a drop in type, it was a cone type similar to simota racing filter.

It is washable and will last more than your car's useful life to date I already logged 40K Kms with this kind of air filter and with just monthly washing. My fully synthetic oil is still clean and clear even after every 10K Kms - itinatago nga minsan ng gasoline boy yung old oil ko pag nagpapachange oil ako sa Shell.

You can try it for yourself, anyway this washable filter is only 500 petot

[roberto_minosa]

So that's why dad and I never bothered about the engines' waste buildup. We're flat out half the time on both the VVT-i and the D4D. Well, especially his everyday car, the E. On the break-in of the VVT-i, we ran the car normally at 140km/h (or more, I dunno about dad) until we noticed the poor gas mileage compared to his previous car, the Altis. Heck, that was a small car with a small engine. The Innova is a barge compared to that. Same situation on the break-in of the D4D, but only it runs pretty much flat out everyday. So our cars do high top speeds compared to non-Italian tuneup cars.

ps Dad also did this 10 years ago on his Nissan Eagle. The OHV 2.5L diesel could do more than 160km/h with sh*tbox aerodynamics.

[maski]

Hi Innova owners. I'm trying to buy a 2nd hand Innova J, supposedly a model 2008 however, LTO txt indicated it's a 2007 model (as shown in its ACR) though the promisory note was only signed 2008. So my questions is, how can I identify if it's indeed a 2007 or 2008 model. Also I noticed, the back windows does not have this black paint which I think is standard in later models.

Also, since it's a 2nd hand and there's already an existing tint, can I still replace this? Thank you, looking forward to your replies.

[Mile2]

Hi Innova owners. I'm trying to buy a 2nd hand Innova J, supposedly a model 2008 however, LTO txt indicated it's a 2007 model (as shown in its ACR) though the promisory note was only signed 2008. So my questions is, how can I identify if it's indeed a 2007 or 2008 model. Also I noticed, the back windows does not have this black paint which I think is standard in later models.

Also, since it's a 2nd hand and there's already an existing tint, can I still replace this? Thank you, looking forward to your replies.

Ask for the delivery receipt from dealer, this is usually given to the buyer when he roll out the car from the dealer.

If they insist it was 2008, ask for the warranty booklet. Warranty is transferable to new owner (3 years or 100,000kms which ever comes first).

2007 or 2008 does not matter, they must be saying it was 2008 to jack up the selling price, look for the Kilometer reading and the overall condition of the car before you buy.

As for the tint, yes you can replace it easily at any shop.

[maski]

Thanks Mile2! This is really informative to me as I have not bought or owned a car before (just drive rental cars ). The car only has 14K in odo though I need to make sure it's not tampered (di ko alam kung pwede to gawin sa innova that has digital odometer hehe) and this one has power window, side mirror and alarm na which is quite good at 625K(?).

Another question I have is that, when I test drove a new Innova, medyo smooth yung glide nya pagbinitawan yung gas pero with the one I'm eyeing, medyo feeling ko nagbebreak sya ng kaunti or parang may drag, normal lng ba to sa mga more than a year old na Innova? As compared to new Innova ba, mas mahina ba tlaga hatak pag used na? Tnx!

[Mile2]

Thanks Mile2! This is really informative to me as I have not bought or owned a car before (just drive rental cars ). The car only has 14K in odo though I need to make sure it's not tampered (di ko alam kung pwede to gawin sa innova that has digital odometer hehe) and this one has power window, side mirror and alarm na which is quite good at 625K(?).

Another question I have is that, when I test drove a new Innova, medyo smooth yung glide nya pagbinitawan yung gas pero with the one I'm eyeing, medyo feeling ko nagbebreak sya ng kaunti or parang may drag, normal lng ba to sa mga more than a year old na Innova? As compared to new Innova ba, mas mahina ba tlaga hatak pag used na? Tnx!

Ano ba siya D4d or VVTi?

Kung 14k lang ang ODO, tignan mo yung mga gulong, dapat halos parang brand new pa rin sa kapal at kung VVTi yan dapat malinis pa rin ang tail pipe ends at walang bakas ng carbon. Tignan mo rin yung makina, dapat puting-puti pa rin yung mga plastic containers hindi namumula.

P625? konti na lang eh brand new na, bakit di na lang brand new kunin mo para ma-enjoy mo ang 3 years warranty saka sigurado ka sa papeles at sa car na hindi tampered.

Anyway, kung talagang gusto mo pa rin yan, ask mo lang yung owner for the warranty booklet nandoon kasi ang record kung napa PMS nya ang car for 1K, 5k, 10k (kms) kung hindi niya na pa PMS yung car malamang may problema na yung car. Or baka puede mong i-bargain sa owner na ipa 15K PMS muna nya bago mo i-test drive uli.

Ang alam ko di puedeng i-tampered ang ODO, pero may nagsasabing puede daw. Ma-tamper man ang ODO, may record parin sa ECU sa pagkaka-alam ko.

[Mile2]

double post

[timo07]

It was not a K&N filter, like a drop in type, it was a cone type similar to simota racing filter.

It is washable and will last more than your car's useful life to date I already logged 40K Kms with this kind of air filter and with just monthly washing. My fully synthetic oil is still clean and clear even after every 10K Kms - itinatago nga minsan ng gasoline boy yung old oil ko pag nagpapachange oil ako sa Shell.

You can try it for yourself, anyway this washable filter is only 500 petot

So hindi pala sya K&N, kaya pala naghahanap ako nito ay hindi ako makakita. Meron akong nakita w/c looks exactly like what you are using pero iba ang brand. Will probably buy this one na lang siguro with a price a little less than P500. Made of plastic siguro yung filter material kaya puedeng paulit ulit na hugasan.

Yun ang maganda rin sa gasoline engine, because of the fuel, there is significantly less soot being produced.

[superbismarck]

1. where can i buy cover-all plastic floor mat?

2. recommend a bang for the buck spare tire lock? where to buy? (planning to put my spare inside for the meantime)

3. where to buy nice rims? any recommended size? recommended tires?

4. cheapest leatherette seatcovers?

5. side mirror anti-theft, does this really work? where can i get these? etching effective?

6. recommend a maintenance free battery? worth it?

7. foglamps cover to resist flood and rain and water spill? how? where to get? wheel well cover?

8. can i add 2 more speakers for the innova J? is there a provision or there's some still cutting work to do with the doors?

appreciate it if you could give me areas near alabang and marikina. thanks!

and

hey guys wanna have your say with this, will be getting an innova J gas manual, with alarm and fog lamps as freebies, plus the common tint, seatcover, floormat, discount card, and free pms..

do i still need to haggle more??

currently haggling on the luggage tray though
...

any inputs fellow innova tsikoteers??

hi Inovayy,

Just bought an Innova J lat april 2009,

adding 2 speakers at the back - I think mas okay kasi malakas na ang radio mo sa harap sa likod mahina ang dating

leather seat cover - try mo sa ace dun ako nag pagawa around 3k++ reg
alo kasi ng GF ko kaya di ko alam ang exact price

suggest you to have back sensor kasi maliit ang back bumper ng innova -

yun fog lamp - nagpa kabit yun officemate ko. sa casa siya nagpakabit hindi exact ang fittings ng switch na huhugod mo pataas. tapus yun light mismo ng fag lamp medyo konte lang ang covered sa daan. Pero maganda tignan ang may fog lamps...


maintenance bat - yun ang kasama ang toyota ganun din sa akin. Oriental hehehheheh

spare tire lock - suggest you to buy kadena nalang and yale na lock. kasi yun spare tire lock halos pareho lang. .

plastic matts (transparent) - mero sa ace hardware 1kplus pero hindi fit yun likod eh.. yun harap sakto hindi mo na iccut.

May kilala akong agent sa ptamo, matino kausap.. tell me kung gusto mo kausapin .

Hope makatulong ang post...

[liv]

hi Inovayy,

Just bought an Innova J lat april 2009,

adding 2 speakers at the back - I think mas okay kasi malakas na ang radio mo sa harap sa likod mahina ang dating

leather seat cover - try mo sa ace dun ako nag pagawa around 3k++ reg
alo kasi ng GF ko kaya di ko alam ang exact price

suggest you to have back sensor kasi maliit ang back bumper ng innova -

yun fog lamp - nagpa kabit yun officemate ko. sa casa siya nagpakabit hindi exact ang fittings ng switch na huhugod mo pataas. tapus yun light mismo ng fag lamp medyo konte lang ang covered sa daan. Pero maganda tignan ang may fog lamps...


maintenance bat - yun ang kasama ang toyota ganun din sa akin. Oriental hehehheheh

spare tire lock - suggest you to buy kadena nalang and yale na lock. kasi yun spare tire lock halos pareho lang. .

plastic matts (transparent) - mero sa ace hardware 1kplus pero hindi fit yun likod eh.. yun harap sakto hindi mo na iccut.

May kilala akong agent sa ptamo, matino kausap.. tell me kung gusto mo kausapin .

Hope makatulong ang post...

IMO, mas maganda yung spare tire lock na similar to the OEM of Toyota dahil naka ankla siya sa chassis... mas mahirap tanggalin unlike ung kadena na madaling i bolt cutter... in my case, although i already have the one that is similar to the OEM of Toyota... nilagyan ko pa rin ng crimped cable with plastic insulation at Solex lock for added piece of mind.

the seatcovers that are being sold at Ace Hardware doesn't fit snugly... may mga kulubot siya unlike the ones that are being custom made by Seatmate, Boy Chingcuangco, etc... mas mahal nga lang sa kanila pero sulit naman.

just my 2 cents


OT: whew! its been a while since i last posted dito sa thread... kinda preoccupied with my Garmin mapping project.