The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[diesoline]

TEMP LOSS OF POWER STEERING!!!

There's this haripin turn at my place which is a bit tight for the carnival so i anticipate it by stopping and turning the wheel to the max to the left before proceeding. yesterday when i had come out of the turn, the steering wheel suddenly felt jammed, then i realized power steering was gone.

our carnivals are heavy machines so i almost cramped twisting the wheel with full exertion. i turned the iginition off and checked the power steering fluid. level was ok. i checked the ground for any sign of dripping fluid, nothing. i expected a busted hose and fluid spraying everywhere but it was clean. i tried it turning the car on and off, but no change.

being late, i decided i would bring it to the casa next day. but lo and behold when i tried it this morning, problem was gone and all was ok. what the heck?? i'm thankful but fearful at the same time.

anybody else experience this? i remember a comment from the thread that you should not turn the wheel at max for a long time, how come? any comments and insights would be appreciated.

it's obvious that i've been backreading.

leolop's experience is my reality. hehehe! imagine having the steering act up on you when you are in baguio. now my that my research is finished, the legwork to find a good shop to do it begins.

so far, here is my list on the things to check up on:
- lubricate power steering universal joint
- check steering couplings
- check crankshaft pulley

[hinlog]

Hi KCar peeps,

Does anybody know if any of the local gasoline player ATF is compatible to our Kia Car recommended ATF, Dexron II E/III M? I noticed that Mobil is also DexronII E compatible. How about the coolant, any recommended brand as well?

Thanks in advance.

[leolop]

i hear an audible metallic noise coming from the side of the alternator when my engine is running. do you guys think this is the oil chain?

after hearing a similar high pitched grinding noise near the alternator, i did some backreading as well and i'm a little freaked out.

e. rod told me that my 2001 carnival does not have the oil pump chain problem. can you guys confirm this? the idea of an engine overhaul is giving me nightmares. i take it that if the oil light goes on, it's too late and you're dead?

diesoline: where would you bring your carnival to have this checked? speedyfix? budget's a bit tight and i'm wary of the casas after everything i've read. thanks in advance!

[leolop]

it's obvious that i've been backreading.

leolop's experience is my reality. hehehe! imagine having the steering act up on you when you are in baguio. now my that my research is finished, the legwork to find a good shop to do it begins.

so far, here is my list on the things to check up on:
- lubricate power steering universal joint
- check steering couplings
- check crankshaft pulley

it never really happened again so can't give any input.

[diesoline]

Hi KCar peeps,

Does anybody know if any of the local gasoline player ATF is compatible to our Kia Car recommended ATF, Dexron II E/III M? I noticed that Mobil is also DexronII E compatible. How about the coolant, any recommended brand as well?

Thanks in advance.

hinlog, dexron III atf should be ok with your car. mine is on ac delco dexron III. i would have wanted to try out diamond SP-III as it is specifically designed for front wheel drive A/Ts. diamond SP-III is not sold in the auto shops in baguio city but i heard that they are sold in mitsubishi service centers at around P600/liter.

BUT: somebody posted of poor transmission performance with dexron III which was promptly fixed when it was flushed out with dexron II. the only dexron II i've ever seen lately was valvoline's dexron IIe.

after hearing a similar high pitched grinding noise near the alternator, i did some backreading as well and i'm a little freaked out.

e. rod told me that my 2001 carnival does not have the oil pump chain problem. can you guys confirm this? the idea of an engine overhaul is giving me nightmares. i take it that if the oil light goes on, it's too late and you're dead?

diesoline: where would you bring your carnival to have this checked? speedyfix? budget's a bit tight and i'm wary of the casas after everything i've read. thanks in advance!

an overhaul is a different thing from an oil pump chain replacement. diesel engines are made of material superior to gasoline engines. as long as the engine is properly cared for and not subject to severe duty, it should easily surpass 150K km before any overhaul. the sd33t diesel engine in my patrol was overhauled 4 months ago * 415K km (approximately 95% highway kilometers).

ideally, the check engine warning should turn on if there is an issue with the engine. with the oil light, what one has to do is to stop the engine asap. i assume that if the oil chain gives way, there would be sudden engine failure. i hope somebody can pipe in on this.

imo, any competent mechanic can do the oil chain replacement. more importantly, original parts should be used.

re my power steering problem, it's my power steering pump that's shot. i think that a replacement is in order. the pump costs 4.5k at goodgear. i wish i have an option to repair the pump but as there is no leak visible that hope seems far off.

[altec]

sorry, havent accessed tsikot for over a month until now as diesoline called me up about his steering problem. I told him to check out the universal joint. It happened to me before where you would suddenly feel the steering go heavy on you on certain turns, but it was only for a second and then goes back to normal. It started occasionally, becoming more frequent. Had it checked by Casa several times as it was under warranty then. They only checked the steering column system and lubricated it several times and it did go away, but would come back after a week or so. When it became more frequent and unfortunately it happened after my 3 year warranty expired, sent it back to the casa as I was afraid it was either the pump or the gearbox, they replaced the universal joint. Until now, wala na ang problema. That was a year ago na.

Right now, I have a bearing noise whenever I switch on my aircon compressor. My truck motorshop says its the adjuster bearing or adjuster pulley. It costs 3000+ at the casa. I just want replacement. But here in the province, the replacement part shops want a sample so it means I have to remove it and sample it, which means down ang kotse ko. So until now, haven't had it done.

[novo_d]

hello guys, a new member here. I just purchased a 2nd hand carnival park 98 model for only a month now. So far, lahat ng mga questions ko ay nasagot na from back reading. Hope to still learn a lot more from you guys. More power to all.

[utakabo]

diesoline: how's your unit?

here is one project that might interest gen1 owners who are diy enthusiasts - adding auxilliary jack to our head unit (for gen1 owners lang, iba kasi hu ng gen2).

last weekend i added an auxilliary jack to my hu to accommodate the portable dvd player i installed. i initially used a cassette adapter but i got annoyed by the clattering sound coming from the cartridge and the intermittent sound interruptions.

a few posts back i mentioned that the cdplayer of our hu simply uses the radio as amplifier, so what i did is to tap into the audio wires connecting the cdplayer and the radio. the audio wires are black (negative), red (left channel) and white (right channel). i connected the wires to a stereo jack which i placed to the right of the hu. to activate the jack you need to insert a cd first (so that the hu stops receiving radio signal) and press pause (so that the cdplayer also stops transmitting audio signal). the jack is now ready to be connected to any audio device (warning: if the gadget has a volume control place it in the lowest setting first then adjust to about 1/4 to 1/2 after the gadget has been connected. if there is none set the hu's volume to minimum as the signal may actually be very loud). the good thing about this set-up is that i still can control the volume from the steering wheel .

sorry i can't post any pix right now as it means opening the dashboard again. although i might take a picture of the set-up including the dvd player later (pag naalala ko )

what's more? i also mentioned before that the cdplayer of my unit doesn't want play cds but for some reasons after doing this project it is suddenly playing cds again (although original cds only)

welcome novo_d

[altec]

Novo, welcome to the site for sedona/carnival owners!

New observation I made today. Sa lakas ng ulan kanina, I decided to switch on the aircon blower, push the recirc button, but didn't press the A/C button. Mine is the local sedona unit. Last night, I put the thermostat slightly above the coldest setting kasi ang lamig ng aircon. With the thermostat setting still at that setting, napansin ko medyo mainit ang buga ng hangin. Out of curiousity, I turned the thermostat knob to the right, lalong uminit ang hangin!

Main Question 1. Does this mean that the a/c button controls the cold compressor section, while the thermostat setting is different from the a/c compressor? Does this mean that if you move the thermostat from coldest to somewhere to the right, the compressor continues to run while the air is regulated by mixing the cold output with the hot output? What does that make our aircon system-climate control? Mas sanay ako sa pure cold aircon compressor setup. If this is the case, does anyone know IF our compressor gives out, can we use those typical sanden or denso compressors?

Main Question 2. Where does the hot air come from? Is there a separate unit or does it get its heat from the engine compartment? But there is no engine fume smell. And it can't be coming from the engine because when I did the above, it was still cold startup status.

[ericmm]

Hi,
I have a question. I have a 2002 Carnival and lately when I shift from neutral to park medyo matigas na pag shift but when releasing from park to drive hindi naman. I press the brake naman firmly when i shift to park pero medyo matigas pa din. Any idea what could be the reason? Any preventive maintenance ideas here how to take care of shifting?
TIA

[diesoline]

hi novo! welcome!

Main Question 2. Where does the hot air come from? Is there a separate unit or does it get its heat from the engine compartment? But there is no engine fume smell. And it can't be coming from the engine because when I did the above, it was still cold startup status.

afaik, the heat comes from a pipe with coolant from the cooling system running thru it. heat radiates from those pipes and the blower directs the hot air to the vents.

Hi,
I have a question. I have a 2002 Carnival and lately when I shift from neutral to park medyo matigas na pag shift but when releasing from park to drive hindi naman. I press the brake naman firmly when i shift to park pero medyo matigas pa din. Any idea what could be the reason? Any preventive maintenance ideas here how to take care of shifting?
TIA

ericmm, have the shift cable checked. it might need adjusting. or a replacement.

utakabo, my steering is not fixed yet. the steering lightened up somewhat when i pumped 40psi worth of air into the front tires. i will go down to manila at 2am tomorrow morning. i will be wrestling with that steering wheel down kennon road. destination: either wheels qc or kia pasay.

[ericmm]

Thanks Diesoline I will just do that.

[mikey177]

Diesoline,

Ingat sa biyahe, bro. I also had to drive my Sedona from Pangasinan to Wheels Q. Ave. last year when a busted steering shaft caused my power steering to conk out, and it was not an enjoyable experience. Paano pa kaya kung kailangan ko i-mavigate ang Kennon na walang power steering --para kang nagmamaneho ng truck

Call me if you encounter any problems and you're in my area.

[ericmm]

Peeps,
Another question. My Carnival is the import one from Korea and I am having a hard time adjusting the headlights because I do not know what is the purpose of each screw in the assembly. There are two adjusting screws in each assembly can anyone tell me what does the outer screw does (the one that is hard to reach) and the other which is the inner. Anybody here can tell me which one is for vertical or horinzontal?

Again, TIA for the help.

[utakabo]

ericmm: generally the screw which is located nearer to the side will control the lateral adjustment while the one at the center(or nearer to the center) will control the vertical adjustment. di ko pa ntsek kung pareho lang sa ride natin kasi hindi ko naman kailangan baguhin pa ang adjustment.

[ericmm]

ericmm: generally the screw which is located nearer to the side will control the lateral adjustment while the one at the center(or nearer to the center) will control the vertical adjustment. di ko pa ntsek kung pareho lang sa ride natin kasi hindi ko naman kailangan baguhin pa ang adjustment.

utakbo - thanks, i will make kalikot within the week. nagulo adjustment nung sa akin kase pinaki-alaman ng utol ko.

[benchph1]

diesoline,

yup exactly the symptoms i heard prior to bringing it to the casa. supposedly sedonas are out of this issue, being corrected by the plant as told by most dealers ive asked around. in case you want to know, cost me 30+k


kala ko ako lang nagkaproblema sa power steering na yan. inherent problem ito ng carnival i think. di ba dapat kahit me problema sa joints dapat hindi mo mararamdaman, kaya nga hydraulic eh. ended up also replacing the universal joint.

[pilot]

hello. minor problem lang. yun digital clock ng carnival ko, lagi na lalate specially pag matagal na naka off yung engine.

fuse lang kaya ito or pede bang DIY repair lang?

TIA

[diesoline]

THE CULPRIT



that's the intermediate shaft and the steering coupling, also known as the upper and lower steering couplings.

The steering intermediate shaft is a significant vehicle safety item that connects the steering column to the steering gear box. The primary function is to transmit torque reliably through angles while dampening noise, vibration and harshness from the driver. Another key function is to enhance occupant safety through the use of energy management features. These help the vehicle conform to government and industry collision safety regulations.

from timken.com

i had the repairs done at kia new manila (wheels) and all parts were sourced from goodgear.

replacement of steering couplings: P6,240.00
2,490 - labor
1,950 - intermediate shaft
1,100 - steering coupling
700 - power steering repair kit

since this was a casa, they also suggested that the rack and pinion be overhauled. siempre, yes naman ako... as long as they let me source all the parts needed. payag naman sila.

overhaul of rack and pinion: P 2,610.00
2,490 - labor
120 - rack and pinion bushing


the right side front wheel bearing also needed to be replaced. i opted to have the left done too even thought that side seemed good yet.

replacement of front wheel hub bearings: P 4,845.00
1,245 - labor
3,000 - front wheel bearings (2 sets)
100 - wheel oil seal (2 sets)
500 - pressing (machine shop)

on hindsight, it could have been more convenient for me to have the repairs done at kia pasay since it is much nearer to goodgear. they also quoted less for the labor when i made a phone inquiry last week. but i was not sure if kia pasay service will allow me to source parts elsewhere.

mikey177::: driving down kennon road was surprisingly easy. maybe because i've been driving around town in baguio with the heavy steering for a week doing the hatid-sundo school bus run. the steering was ok at highway speeds, the only adjustment i had to make was to make a deliberate effort to center back the steering wheel after making a turn. we left baguio around 230am and my wife and i were in jona's QC main branch at 630am - the first customers for the day.

benchph1::: my unit is the sedona here and so is altec's and mikey177's. looks like this steering issue isn't quite resolved for the sedona yet. the heavy front end of our vehicle seems to be the cause. the new carnival has a lighter GVW kaya i think this will be less of a problem with the newer generation na.

too bad to hear that they charged you 30k over at signet. those casas really make a killing by charging a premium on parts and service. i easily saved around 9k over the parts cost from wheels by sourcing the parts myself. not a bad return with just a phone call,several texts and a little legwork.

pilot::: nothing that we can do about it afaik. adjust na lang ng adjust. ako? i just rely on my cellphone's clock.

[pilot]

diesoline: musta steering problem mo? Does it automatically go back to the center after? did you experience seering vibrations before the repair? at full stop, can you spin the steering with minimal efforts?

All: has anyway tried to improve the illumination of our speedometer gauges?