Water/Alcohol injection Turbo Diesel use

[14myXUV]

just finished installation. biggest hurdle is finding the wastegate tube where to attach the manual boost controller. posting the pic here of the tube from sample turbo set (left pic) and the one I have on my crosswind xuv 2010 model (right).



apologies for the poor angle on the pic that seems to show a black tube which is actually attached to something else. but i hope this shows the rear end of the wastegate which according to Berrima mechanic is made of plastic too instead of usual metal.

sa mga naka-encounter nito, would appreciate your help to complete my setup.

So far, installed Stage 1 kit (nozzle, pump, tank, pressure switch, kit power switch) and boost gauge. hard to tell of immediate results, not much road to round around. but holy smoke, the black smoke is GONE instantly!!!

Need to troubleshoot as well why the injection does not seem to fire consistently (at setting of 5PSI). i hope just a minor hiccup.

[dvldoc]

The hose you use for the boost controller is the one on the left is all I have ever seen on a turbo. But you should still be able to install it on the other hose since it controls the waste gate. Connecting it will not change how it acts until you adjust it.

As far as the system being on at 5 psi is that the crosswind only makes like 5psi to 6psi of boost and is always boosting due to it's low hp. When you get your manual boost controller installed set your W/A to come on at 6 to 8psi. You can even set it to 9psi to 10psi.

The little crosswind turbo can handle 10psi without issue with the system installed.

[14myXUV]

Hi Doc,

if you're referring to the hose circled in red, that pic was taken on a sample turbo set. The one that my crosswind has is shown on the right pic. the actuator/wastegate thingy doesn't have any hose attached to it.

i actually asked the mechanic if we can drill right into that actuator. Answer is a big NO being partly made of plastic and not part of the component's design.

again apologies for the confusion due from poor pics .

Thank you.

[dvldoc]

You should still be able to use that hose on the Left if it's physically connected to the wastegate actuator. Do you have a pic from the top side (brass portion) it's hard to tell, but it just looks like the hose it at the bottom and it gets it's pressure from the tube below it.

I believe this is your turbo, First time I have seen one like this.





If you don't get it sorted, I hear Autoplus knows how to up the boost on these so that might be the place to go. It's probably just adding a few washers just like the 4m40 boost mod.

It's probably because it's just meant to be a low boost turbo. lengthening the actuator arm will increase boost so adding washers under the bolts that hold it on should do the trick. It's getting the right thickness will be the trick.

I will research further to see if I can find the right size.

[14myXUV]

I think the pics are spot on! They look very much like those but I will double check from under the chassis (better view).

Will check on Autoplus.

[dvldoc]

This will save you some crawling around.

[14myXUV]

thanks Doc for the pics.

called Autoplus and they can't confirm the turbo tweak. the person who picked up the phone is not aware of it and appear to not buy the idea (vs holistic tuning).

anyway, managed to do more road tests today with methanol mixture and I should say, Stage 1 DELIVERS!!!

will provide details shortly.

[14myXUV]

Can DevilsOwn really add power to my Crosswind XUV 2010 A/T? Will it help me come to terms with my fear of not safely passing a tricycle? Can I help my car's pain in reaching 130KPH on a looooooooong hiway like SCTEX? Can I push my car to haul people (say 5 or more) or comfortably climb long and steep uphills? If you have the same questions, you may want to read on. And lastly yet most importantly, if you honestly consider yourself an "Auto Dummy", as I do to myself, then this may be of interest you.

The last one is important coz I'm sharing from perspective of someone who only knows how to drive a car -- even that maybe suspect ;) Everything I learned on this subject is based on this 'adventure' - lotsa readings mostly from this Forum, talks with and observations of subject-matter-experts (mechanics, the indespensable DvlDoc, hobbyist-friends, Sales Ladies and others). AutoTechie details, sorry not competent.

So after years of research and contemplation (literally YEARS) I took the plunge and got my Stage1 kit. Why Stage1: budget and preference. I just want PLUG & DRIVE. PLAY not necessary. As it turned out, I got stuff that I can't use partly because I don't have a solid understanding of what components are required in my setup.

The parts and manuals charmed me to even ambitiously consider DIY route. Thank God I had some humility left in me! In short, I was off to Berrima in Mandaluyong for installation and primarily because their shop is WOW. I can't describe well enough but check for yourself if you haven't yet. The guys are really nice too. But first chats with them, after getting an impression that my unique setup is new to them, as in ZERO experience, didn't give me a lot of confidence. At risk are my hard-earned parts and my wife's spotless car (oh yes, its hers thus the A/T; I get to borrow it for long trips for its superb A/C, worry-less F/C and bus-like ride).

To cut the chase, the installation was done from 8AM to 3PM, including test drives. I was involved in the process and got to see and help resolve issues. Things didn't go perfectly but completed setup of Stage1 kit, Power Switch, Tank, and Boost Gauge.

Now, back to my questions:

Can DevilsOwn really add power to my Crosswind XUV 2010 A/T?
ANSWER: YES with 100% confidence. By how much? Prior to Kit installation, the boost gauge reading got 6PSI. After installation, got 8PSI with rubbing alcohol-water (40/60) How does that translate to torgue and HP is beyond me but YES I can feel it.

Will it help me come to terms with my fear of not safely passing a tricycle?
ANSWER: I have new-found confidence in taking on 3 cars in a row ;).

Can Xuv now haul 5 or more people, or do uphills comfortably?
ANSWER: Big YES. Loaded car with 5 adults and ascended a steep hill where I live in QC. First trip w/out injection: couldn't get to 40kph. 2nd trip with injection: 40kph WAS easy and overtook a motor bike and a car . I actually held back midway coz my gauge reads slightly over 10PSI and I was warned not to go beyond it. I had 50/50 methanol-water on this test.

Can Xuv get to 130kph with ease?
ANSWER: Yet to be seen. Looking forward to an out-of-town trip soon and will get back to this thread.

One other question for me, a day-to-day motorist driving home-office is USE in Metro Mla setting. Expecting a dramatic improvement in responsiveness like quick pass/cuts may not be realistic. But I did notice a bump in power starting at 30-40kph (used to be at 60kph) which is useful for medium-range sprints. I can best relate this bump to my positive experience with the difference felt when using Turbo Diesel.

Next Steps for me: top-priority is troubleshooting the inconsistent activation of injection and a pod for my gauge; then work on stainless tank+float switch that I can stow under the bench. and then maybe explore other performance tweaks like turbo boost increase or Dyno tuning. Need to save up more ;).

PS - Thanks DvlDoc for being very patient, painstakingly unearthing pics, drawing them, and slowly explaining to keep my Dummy brain from choking with info overload.

[Errol5]

Can DevilsOwn really add power to my Crosswind XUV 2010 A/T? Will it help me come to terms with my fear of not safely passing a tricycle? Can I help my car's pain in reaching 130KPH on a looooooooong hiway like SCTEX? Can I push my car to haul people (say 5 or more) or comfortably climb long and steep uphills? If you have the same questions, you may want to read on. And lastly yet most importantly, if you honestly consider yourself an "Auto Dummy", as I do to myself, then this may be of interest you.

The last one is important coz I'm sharing from perspective of someone who only knows how to drive a car -- even that maybe suspect ;) Everything I learned on this subject is based on this 'adventure' - lotsa readings mostly from this Forum, talks with and observations of subject-matter-experts (mechanics, the indespensable DvlDoc, hobbyist-friends, Sales Ladies and others). AutoTechie details, sorry not competent.

So after years of research and contemplation (literally YEARS) I took the plunge and got my Stage1 kit. Why Stage1: budget and preference. I just want PLUG & DRIVE. PLAY not necessary. As it turned out, I got stuff that I can't use partly because I don't have a solid understanding of what components are required in my setup.

The parts and manuals charmed me to even ambitiously consider DIY route. Thank God I had some humility left in me! In short, I was off to Berrima in Mandaluyong for installation and primarily because their shop is WOW. I can't describe well enough but check for yourself if you haven't yet. The guys are really nice too. But first chats with them, after getting an impression that my unique setup is new to them, as in ZERO experience, didn't give me a lot of confidence. At risk are my hard-earned parts and my wife's spotless car (oh yes, its hers thus the A/T; I get to borrow it for long trips for its superb A/C, worry-less F/C and bus-like ride).

To cut the chase, the installation was done from 8AM to 3PM, including test drives. I was involved in the process and got to see and help resolve issues. Things didn't go perfectly but completed setup of Stage1 kit, Power Switch, Tank, and Boost Gauge.

Now, back to my questions:

Can DevilsOwn really add power to my Crosswind XUV 2010 A/T?
ANSWER: YES with 100% confidence. By how much? Prior to Kit installation, the boost gauge reading got 6PSI. After installation, got 8PSI with rubbing alcohol-water (40/60) How does that translate to torgue and HP is beyond me but YES I can feel it.

Will it help me come to terms with my fear of not safely passing a tricycle?
ANSWER: I have new-found confidence in taking on 3 cars in a row ;).

Can Xuv now haul 5 or more people, or do uphills comfortably?
ANSWER: Big YES. Loaded car with 5 adults and ascended a steep hill where I live in QC. First trip w/out injection: couldn't get to 40kph. 2nd trip with injection: 40kph WAS easy and overtook a motor bike and a car . I actually held back midway coz my gauge reads slightly over 10PSI and I was warned not to go beyond it. I had 50/50 methanol-water on this test.

Can Xuv get to 130kph with ease?
ANSWER: Yet to be seen. Looking forward to an out-of-town trip soon and will get back to this thread.

One other question for me, a day-to-day motorist driving home-office is USE in Metro Mla setting. Expecting a dramatic improvement in responsiveness like quick pass/cuts may not be realistic. But I did notice a bump in power starting at 30-40kph (used to be at 60kph) which is useful for medium-range sprints. I can best relate this bump to my positive experience with the difference felt when using Turbo Diesel.

Next Steps for me: top-priority is troubleshooting the inconsistent activation of injection and a pod for my gauge; then work on stainless tank+float switch that I can stow under the bench. and then maybe explore other performance tweaks like turbo boost increase or Dyno tuning. Need to save up more ;).

PS - Thanks DvlDoc for being very patient, painstakingly unearthing pics, drawing them, and slowly explaining to keep my Dummy brain from choking with info overload.

very cool read! its spot on!

was able to drive different Xwind models before, and the A/T variants (XUV/Sportivo) really gave me a hard time, doubts and second thoughts on whether it can pass vehicles in front. XUVs and Sportivos are very heavy auv's (thick tires, claddings), a low-charge turbo didnt help! Great job on your upgrade.

If DevilsOwn AI can help a Xwind, what more to other diesels out there? im ecstatic to try it on my Eve! (if budget permits)

+1 to Berrima too, heard good things about them.

[nelany]

14myXUB, so you are the one that Cris of Berrima is telling me that recently installed a stage 1. Pa picture of how they installed at the back ng Crosswind mo.

Maybe the Crosswind has no option of installing a manual boost controller. They have checked before my Crosswind and they can't install it as there is no waste gate. Yung pro installer nila ay wala na sa kanila.

[dvldoc]

You can go past 10psi, You just don't want to strain the stock turbo past 10psi in case your system is out of water or has a issue. The 4psi of extra boost is what we call free boost. It comes from lowing the Exhaust gas temp and and intake air temp. Both of these combined with the now complete combustion of your diesel fuel give you the extra boost.

If the crosswind did not have that wacky wastegate on it you could have safely been running 12psi to 14psi with the water injection.

I don't think I have gotten a crosswind dyno done and I have always wanted to, Hit me up on email, Think I'll fund you a dyno pull at Berrima diesel since they are where you had it installed. You just got to post up the dyno scans or just have them email them to me and I will post them.

1 run: kit off
1 run kit on strait water
1 run kit on 50/50 water alcohol.

Try to get some methanol so we can see the max numbers it can make. Since you have no intercooler it should be a nice bump in power.

[14myXUV]

* Errol5 - salamat. just trying to share back with Tsikot; learned so many things here that made this 'adventure' less arduous.

* nelany - looks like it: no option for manual boost controller; for me, i may not have a need for it anyway. will share with you pics in a bit but everything is tempo now until I get that custom tank. quotes are kind of pricey pa kasi .

[14myXUV]

Wohooooo! Dyno for my dino-tech Crosswind ;). THANKS

You can go past 10psi, You just don't want to strain the stock turbo past 10psi in case your system is out of water or has a issue. The 4psi of extra boost is what we call free boost. It comes from lowing the Exhaust gas temp and and intake air temp. Both of these combined with the now complete combustion of your diesel fuel give you the extra boost.

If the crosswind did not have that wacky wastegate on it you could have safely been running 12psi to 14psi with the water injection.

I don't think I have gotten a crosswind dyno done and I have always wanted to, Hit me up on email, Think I'll fund you a dyno pull at Berrima diesel since they are where you had it installed. You just got to post up the dyno scans or just have them email them to me and I will post them.

1 run: kit off
1 run kit on strait water
1 run kit on 50/50 water alcohol.

Try to get some methanol so we can see the max numbers it can make. Since you have no intercooler it should be a nice bump in power.

[nelany]

Doc what is the max boost that 4M40 can accomodate? I can see 12 psi max boost with 50/50 methanol on. I can still adjust setting but need to know max it can accomodate. Thanks

I'll have my crosswind install stage 2 this Sat in Berrima. Let me see the bump in power.

[crazy_boy]

14myxuv,

how much did the install cost? i was planning to install devilsown last december. however, my car suddenly overheated. had to replace the cylinder head thats why the budget went to repair instead.

[dvldoc]

Doc what is the max boost that 4M40 can accomodate? I can see 12 psi max boost with 50/50 methanol on. I can still adjust setting but need to know max it can accomodate. Thanks

I'll have my crosswind install stage 2 this Sat in Berrima. Let me see the bump in power.

I have seen them run up to 20psi with water to air intercoolers so water injection will do the same thing. Now having said that the engine might be able to take that the other parts like the transmission may not.

If you just did the washer mod, i highly suggest you PM 14myXUV now that he has the manual boost controller he cannot use for the crosswind. It's a much safer and better way to increase the boost vs doing the washer. Plus you can fine tune it.

[nelany]

Doc I have a manual boost controller installed in my pajero + devilsown. Just want to know max boost for Pajero 4M40 engine can handle that I can safely use.

[dvldoc]

15psi is a good setting for the 4m40.

[nelany]

Thanks Doc!

[14myXUV]

*crazy_boy - don't have receipt now for breakdown but kit installation should be less than P5k which included boost gauge installation and some wires.