Water/Alcohol injection Turbo Diesel use

[dvldoc]

You will make more power but use a bit more fluid. It takes a 1/16" allen head wrench to turn up the pump. Turn it one 1/4 turn clockwise.

It's that little silver screw on the top of the pump.

[nelany]

Doc will the added power in the pump be beneficial to my use? Is there any rule of the thumb when to increase the pump power to max or use the factory default?
Thanks

[dvldoc]

It's a easy adjustment, try it out see what changes, if you see a improvment leave it at the 250psi setting. The pump is at 200psi out the box.

[jubs00]

Hey dvldoc, i'm planning to have a stage 2 installed by Berrima. My rig seldom gets used when i'm not in country, would this have some issues with the pump drying out? Or maybe in other components of the kit? tia

[dvldoc]

Hey dvldoc, i'm planning to have a stage 2 installed by Berrima. My rig seldom gets used when i'm not in country, would this have some issues with the pump drying out? Or maybe in other components of the kit? tia

Pump won't dry out. If you want to leave it sitting for long periods of time it's no problem. The kit can pretty much sit as long as your car can. It's only leaving it in cold climates with fluid in the lines that can freeze being a issue.

[14myXUV]

You will make more power but use a bit more fluid. It takes a 1/16" allen head wrench to turn up the pump. Turn it one 1/4 turn clockwise.

It's that little silver screw on the top of the pump.

This is interesting. Will try this. Thanks for sharing.

[jubs00]

Pump won't dry out. If you want to leave it sitting for long periods of time it's no problem. The kit can pretty much sit as long as your car can. It's only leaving it in cold climates with fluid in the lines that can freeze being a issue.

Great! thanks doc.

[ghosthunter]

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[ghosthunter]

guys, this is not my opinion. water/alcohol inj is considered a hoax in the US(just like ALL fuel savers/engine enhancers). the EPA has wrongfully debunked ALL engine improvements except common rail, turbocharger, efi, direct injection, etc. w/c are now incorporated in modern engines. AFAIMC, kung inaakala niyo na advantageous ito sa mga rigs niyo, by all means, gamitin niyo. personally medyo madugo ito para sa katulad ko na limited ang knowledge sa auto mechanics. kung masaya kayo diyan sa mga accomplishment niyo, dapat ituloy niyo, ika nga, susuportahan ko kayo. tnx

You are entitled to your opinion.

Water/Alcohol injection is a proven way to safely increase the power output of a turbocharged diesel engine. This is dyno proven again and again with different vehicles equipped with doc's water/alcohol injection kits.

I have also used it in a performance tuned gasoline engine with small success in gaining more horsepower.

[light2light]

Quote: What's there to prove about alcohol injection? The EPA has actually stated that water injection systems allow for better economy, as they prevent detonation and can allow ultra-lean mixtures, but that this often comes at the expense of emissions. A standard alcohol injection kit does not save fuel without retuning, but that's not its purpose. It's not a fuel saver. It's a power adder. It has been proven to add power to forced induction engines for decades, and was even used for a while on stock GM turbocharged cars. Any fuel savings will require retuning to run on alcohol, but such retuning can be dangerous if one ever runs out of alcohol or fluid... which is why GM dropped the system.

Last edited by niky; 05-29-2012 at 03

Excerpts from another thread: NUVIMAX Electromagnastatic Fuel/Air Mixing System-reply #98, page 10; can't comment farther as i am not qualified on this scheme. Posted for transparency on Tsikot.com/Forum

[ghosthunter]

Quote: What's there to prove about alcohol injection? The EPA has actually stated that water injection systems allow for better economy, as they prevent detonation and can allow ultra-lean mixtures, but that this often comes at the expense of emissions. A standard alcohol injection kit does not save fuel without retuning, but that's not its purpose. It's not a fuel saver. It's a power adder. It has been proven to add power to forced induction engines for decades, and was even used for a while on stock GM turbocharged cars. Any fuel savings will require retuning to run on alcohol, but such retuning can be dangerous if one ever runs out of alcohol or fluid... which is why GM dropped the system.

Last edited by niky; 05-29-2012 at 03

Excerpts from another thread: NUVIMAX Electromagnastatic Fuel/Air Mixing System-reply #98, page 10; can't comment farther as i am not qualified on this scheme. Posted for transparency on Tsikot.com/Forum

Just to clarify. The water/alcohol injection kit that is being discussed in this discussion thread is for the purpose of increasing a diesel engine's performance. It was never meant to be a device used to economize on fuel nor reduce pollution.

[dvldoc]

The side benefit of water injection is lower NOX emissions, So it does reduce emissions. It's simple reduce the combustion chamber temp and less NOX can form. It's not magic just simple science. We proved this time and time again with emissions testing, But again it's about making power for these 4cly turbo diesels.

And nobody tunes to be water alcohol dependent on there engines, Again this is not really a product but a delivery system, it's been around since the 40's in different forms. It's proven itself.

And if you have a duel injection system like I do on my vehicle you get a beast like this. And my emissions are still 0.25. People know what works and this does just like nitrous does, Downpipes do, Boost controllers do, Diesel tuning boxes do,they do what they say they do.

[14myXUV]

sharing the result of my quest for a stainless tank.

got one with 17L capacity from Divisoria, in one of the many shops around Divisoria Mall.

am still considering the best setup but leaning towards the non-obtrusive under-the-seat over backback.


but I have to seal off, using epoxy, all existing holes as this tank was designed for vertical use. have to remove/saw off all other parts of the spray tank that I no longer need.


next steps: drilling 7/8's for pump fitting and future float switch. also, have yet to add a hose for easy refill; maybe, i will use radiator or aircon hose to clamp on the existing snout of the tank.

Cost of tank: 1.7k. i hope it'll remain corrosion free as claimed.

[nelany]

Pang spray sa halaman yang stainless tank mo? How's the fitting under the seat?

[14myXUV]

Pang spray sa halaman yang stainless tank mo? How's the fitting under the seat?

Korek! Shoot under the seat -- see pics.

[GTi]

Good day guys! I've been thinking recently about livening up our "donkey" (diesel Revo: sturdy and reliable but slow-ass car). Apparently, the only ways to do that would be installing K&N and alcohol injection. Now considering that it is a normally aspirated diesel engine, how greatly would it impact the performance and gas mileage? Anyone here who've tried it? How much gains exactly in solid numbers?

Since I am not well versed with alcohol injection, please forgive my noob question here : When going on long drives with alcohol injection, would I have to refill it every few hours or so?

Hope you guys can enlighten me about this! Thanks!

[dvldoc]

It will gain power but only around 5% to 10%. The low hp NA diesels will not pick up that much extra power. You might want to take your ride by Bermmia diesel for a tune. They can get you up to optimum performance.

[GTi]

I see. Would the improvement be similar to a Crosswind's? Or will it be much lower? Is the Crosswind's low charge turbo a big factor here?

Actually, I'm much closer to Speedlab. Would they do a good job with this one?

[dvldoc]

I see. Would the improvement be similar to a Crosswind's? Or will it be much lower? Is the Crosswind's low charge turbo a big factor here?

Actually, I'm much closer to Speedlab. Would they do a good job with this one?

The Crosswinds turbo is set to low pressure only 4psi, He is now running 12psi with the water injection and tune from Bermmia diesel. That's why the big gain. Speedlab can tune but are better at newer CRDI diesel for tuning. Now if you wanted to put a surplus turbo on your ride speedlab would be your guys for sure.

[GTi]

Ahh~ So the turbo really is a big factor here. I remember there was a post somewhere about a Crosswind tested to run 0-100 from 23 secs stock to 16 seconds with alcohol injection. Is that the one you are referring to? Kinaya from 4-12psi with the puny turbo? Resulting performance umabot na ng Innova territory ah.

Sa tingin mo kapag yung Revo nilagyan, kasama K&N filter, would reach similar level of improvement?