Remote bypass oil filtration

[number001]

hi just wanna ask if baldwin b179 is the correct filter for my honda civic esi 93 1.6 liter..... yan kasi binigay ng volmax sa akin

Ask for B1402.

B179 is wider by just a bit but shorter than B1402.

[bogartbaby]

Higher end synthetic fiber filters which are great for a bypass filter set up

[vinj]

Just an observation. I started using the Baldwin BT223 on our 22-year old Sentra with 130,000kms on the odo. It's still using the original timing chain amd tensioners and I noticed that the slight cold start-up chain clatter went away after a couple of thousand kms with the BT223 and Delo.

[crazy_boy]

I know many TD42's have dual filters and Pajeros 4D56 and 4M40's have a combo filter with 2 elements so basically a stacked bypass filter.

sir, so you mean 4d56, 4m40, and td42's are better since they have the dual filter set up?

[dvldoc]

sir, so you mean 4d56, 4m40, and td42's are better since they have the dual filter set up?

Better than a standard single filter system, but then again if your using low quality filters that can't filter efficiency then the difference is not much difference. But in theory it should work. The TD42's that do have the dual system do use a bypass system, They also have two different filter threads one is 3/4 16 and the other is 1-12UNF kinda weird. But I guess it keeps you from mixing up the full flow and the bypass filter.

[miked]

One more thing: How about the pressure loss after passing through the dual filtration system? Is it still within the acceptable pressure readings?

No doubt bibili ako ng magandang klaseng filter kung may available. Magkano lang naman. Ang problema ay wala masyado kaya regular change na lang.

Mabuksan nga sa weekend yung Vic na gamit na sa bahay. I'll check the internals kung ano klaseng material ang ginamit.

[dvldoc]

sir, so you mean 4d56, 4m40, and td42's are better since they have the dual filter set up?

One more thing: How about the pressure loss after passing through the dual filtration system? Is it still within the acceptable pressure readings?

No doubt bibili ako ng magandang klaseng filter kung may available. Magkano lang naman. Ang problema ay wala masyado kaya regular change na lang.

Mabuksan nga sa weekend yung Vic na gamit na sa bahay. I'll check the internals kung ano klaseng material ang ginamit.

You may loose a psi or 2 but nothing that is outside the norm. Most higher quality filter actually flow better. We just did this on my co-workers F250 6.0 liter turbo diesel, he had no pressure loss. This is a very common filter mod.

[kutangbato]

Mabuksan nga sa weekend yung Vic na gamit na sa bahay. I'll check the internals kung ano klaseng material ang ginamit.

sir, anu na un materials ng vic filters, is it cellulose or foam lamang po? pictures naman po dyan.

[dvldoc]

VIC is Cellulose, They tend to dye there filter media for some reason could be a resign or something to strengthen it, I be curious to see some different ones cut open.

[crazy_boy]

Better than a standard single filter system, but then again if your using low quality filters that can't filter efficiency then the difference is not much difference. But in theory it should work. The TD42's that do have the dual system do use a bypass system, They also have two different filter threads one is 3/4 16 and the other is 1-12UNF kinda weird. But I guess it keeps you from mixing up the full flow and the bypass filter.

how about for 4D56 and 4M40, when you said combo filter, it doesnt have the dual filter right?

sir, i have a 4M40 motor, please expound. because we only change 1 oil filter everytime this is a very interesting topic


PS, do you plan to do a fuel filter study as well?

[edtf]

as a side note baldwin filters are available here in the Philippines. I use their oil and fuel filter.

[crazy_boy]

as a side note baldwin filters are available here in the Philippines. I use their oil and fuel filter.

where did you find baldwin?

[miked]

as a side note baldwin filters are available here in the Philippines. I use their oil and fuel filter.

sir, where'd you get baldwin filters? i might make a manila trip come end of april and pass by that place.

[Ry_Tower]

What do you think guys? Are this legit dealers?

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And what's the Baldwin distributors address in Cebu?

[Ry_Tower]

how about for 4D56 and 4M40, when you said combo filter, it doesnt have the dual filter right?

sir, i have a 4M40 motor, please expound. because we only change 1 oil filter everytime this is a very interesting topic


PS, do you plan to do a fuel filter study as well?

I have seen 4d56 and 4m40 overhauled engines, only 1 oil filtration nga. No mention of bypass oil AFAIK. Need to check back on my mechanic.

[miked]

I have seen 4d56 and 4m40 overhauled engines, only 1 oil filtration nga. No mention of bypass oil AFAIK. Need to check back on my mechanic.

All engines are designed to have a bypass circuit if the filter gets clogged or the oil pump produces abnormally high pressures. that is, by-pass the filter and go directly to the lubrication points or some oil will back to the oil pan galley.hth

[dvldoc]

how about for 4D56 and 4M40, when you said combo filter, it doesnt have the dual filter right?

sir, i have a 4M40 motor, please expound. because we only change 1 oil filter everytime this is a very interesting topic


PS, do you plan to do a fuel filter study as well?

Yes the 4M40 has a combo filter, ie it has a full flow and bypass in one filter, also very common in the states.

example of course yours is not this big nore will it have the same media in it but it will be similar. You have two elements, a full flow section then a bypass section in one filter. As stated at the start of the thread bypass filtration is a mainstay for diesel engines.

Bypass / combo filter.


The 4M40 takes a Fleetguard LF3564

Physical Dimensions
BPV Setting 100 kPa (14.5 PSI)
Largest OD 106 mm (4.173 in)
Overall Height 136 mm (5.354 in)
Thread Size M26 X 1.5-6H INT
Primary Applications
MITSUBISHI MD069782 All Applications
Product Comments

* Combo style filter



As far as fuel filters that's pretty easy, you want 10 micron or better filtration. 15 micron is most OEM standards. You can get higher efficiency ones that go all the way down to 2 microns which will double your fuel systems life. You can't really add a 2 micron filter to a old school diesel because the lift pump might have issues flowing. New common rail is no issue you can add one in line with the stock pump.

You want less than 10 microns for a really good filter, Donaldson, Baldwin, Fleetguard and WIX all have these down to 2 microns.

On a diesel your fuel filter is just as important as the oil, Go cheap and you'll have problems.

Fuel filters are close to the oil filters in design as far as the filter media goes.

[jick.cejoco]

there have been a misleading terminology or confusion over this thread. the bypass component is inside the cartridge spin on type oil filter. the bypass allows dirty oil to lubricate the engine once the filter element gets fully clogged up or if the engine demand for the oil is more than the filter could allow. since the 1950's, the lubrication system evolved from the drip type to splash type to the forced type with "catch-as-can type" filtration to the forced full flow filtration. all the oil going into the oil galleries must flow from the pump to the full flow filter save the ones coming out of the bypass. the system that have been mentioned over and over throughout this thread is not bypass type or system but a remotely mounted oil filter mounting or location for ease of service.

[12vdc]

It has been discussed already that Remote Bypass Filtration is a different thing from bypass-valve.
Bypass valve in some cases are built-in the vehicle's spin-on adapter, but most are integrated in the oil filter.

[dvldoc]

there have been a misleading terminology or confusion over this thread. the bypass component is inside the cartridge spin on type oil filter. the bypass allows dirty oil to lubricate the engine once the filter element gets fully clogged up or if the engine demand for the oil is more than the filter could allow. since the 1950's, the lubrication system evolved from the drip type to splash type to the forced type with "catch-as-can type" filtration to the forced full flow filtration. all the oil going into the oil galleries must flow from the pump to the full flow filter save the ones coming out of the bypass. the system that have been mentioned over and over throughout this thread is not bypass type or system but a remotely mounted oil filter mounting or location for ease of service.

My system for my vehicle is a bypass set up, I have a restrictor in the threaded nipple that reduces flow to the second filter so it does not recieve full flow just like the amsoil set up.

I basically copied the system from a guy who posted how to do a budget set up, Not paying 300USD for a amsoil kit.

Basic set up
Dual filter remote oil filter kit
Modified filter nipple (3/4-16 1-1/4" long with 1/16" orifice)
So I have one full flow and one partial flow filter. My partial flow is the Fleetguard Stratapore media the best filtration you can get period and a high efficiency synthetic media filter.

The nipple modification consists of:
- tapping the ID of one of the supplied nipples with a 1/2-20
- take a 1/2-20 steel bolt and thread ~1/2" of it into the nipple
- saw off the part of the bolt sticking out of the nipple
- cut a groove across the face of the bolt sticking out of the nipple
- drill a 1/16" hole through the center of the bolt
- using a blade screwdriver, turn the bolt until it is just below the lip of the nipple
- tig the bolt piece in place (carefully)
- this is the nipple that you will install the by-pass filter onto.

So mine is a true bypass system not just a dual remote filter set up, which by the way works very well if you use the same set up I have even without the bypass mod. And will extend your oil change intervals big time. There is more than just one way to make these set up's You can also do this with a single filter using a oil cooler. Amsoil is way overpriced and you can make your own for far cheaper.






This is the set up I copied to a T, except I used way better filters.


This thread started out as one thing but has spread to basically be a very good discussion on filtration in general. And I think one of the most helpfull threads for routine maintenance for vehicles.

We have covered the parts of a filter in detail including the bypass valve, filter media's, levels of filtration and efficeincy as well ass fuel filtration and even air filters. It's kind of a jack of all trades thread on filtration. And one of the biggies, FAKES and there are plenty in the Philippines.

The thread should be changed to Bypass filters, Oil filters, fuel filters and air filters