Remote bypass oil filtration

[crazy_boy]

as for the BT223, it has been answered already. i couldnt edit my previous post.


im also looking at this oil. however it doesnt show the zinc content.


Available Grades ASTM
METHOD
IDEMITSU EXTREME
ECO 5W30 SM/CF
Viscosity grade SAE 5W30
Colour D-1500 L2.5
Density 15 oC g/cm³ D-4052-96 0.8513
Flash Point (COC) oC D-92 215
Viscosity, cSt * 40 oC D-445 58.65
* 100 oC D-445 11.02
Pour Point oC D-97 -36
Viscosity Index D-2270 183
TBN HCLO4 (mgKOH/g) D-2896-96 7.62
TAN, Potentiometric (mgKOH/g) D-664 1.45
Foaming * 93.5oC (ml) D-892 <30-0

[dvldoc]

dvldoc, how about this top1 diesel oil, can I use this in both 2nz-fe and 1tr-fe gasoline engines? this is the semi-synthetic diesel oil.
SAE Grade 15W-40 CI-4 <-------------------Not S rated
API Gravity 29.1
Viscosity
SUS * 100º F 503
SUS * 210º F 76
cSt * 40°C 116
cSt * 100°C 15.6
Viscosity Index 140 <------------- is this still too low?
Flash Point, C° (F°) 238 (460)
Pour Point, C° (F°) -39 (-38)
Total Base Number 11.8
Ash, Sulfated, wt% 1.37
Phosphorus, wt % 0.127
Zinc, wt % 0.137 <---------------- not sure if this is ok for cars with cat-con
Foam Test Pass




As for the filter, with the Vios, im just worried that if its too long, it might hit potholes, which might cause problems. as for the size, the important thing is that they have the same size(3/4-16UNF) right? . the Oring gasket size(54x62rnd) is not important?

The ZDDP level is a bit high for a gas engine, Testing shows a 25% shorter CAT life but that's with a standard life of 160000klm. But you can think of it like this which is more expensive to replace in the future, the Cat or the engine. For me I rather have higher engine protection but that's just me. 1200ppm or lower is what you want for a gas car that's what use to be in oils back in 2007 if your worried about your CAT. For me I will be using the highest zinc content I can find in all my vehicles gas or diesel.

CAT VS ENGINE, Engine wins for me. Plus with the fuel quality there your CAT will probably poop out early anyways.

[dvldoc]

as for the BT223, it has been answered already. i couldn't edit my previous post.


im also looking at this oil. however it doesn't show the zinc content but I got it below in a oil test.


Available Grades ASTM
METHOD
IDEMITSU EXTREME
ECO 5W30 SM/CF
Viscosity grade SAE 5W30
Colour D-1500 L2.5
Density 15 oC g/cm³ D-4052-96 0.8513
Flash Point (COC) oC D-92 215
Viscosity, cSt * 40 oC D-445 58.65
* 100 oC D-445 11.02
Pour Point oC D-97 -36
Viscosity Index D-2270 183
TBN HCLO4 (mgKOH/g) D-2896-96 7.62
TAN, Potentiometric (mgKOH/g) D-664 1.45
Foaming * 93.5oC (ml) D-892 <30-0

It's a group IV oil like Mobil 1 so that's one good thing it's got going for it. The MSDS sucks from these guys.

Idemitsu Lube (S) Pte Ltd - We Care About Your Engine And Our World.

You shouldn't be using 30 weight oil in anything in the Philippines if your looking for longer oil life, It's a tropical climate, don't even know why they sell it.

http://www.lubritecinc.com/PDF/Group4.pdf But if the price is right on this stuff it's probably a good mobil 1 replacement. Has a ton of moly in it.

Idemistu 5w30 is the 1st on the left, Mobil 1 5w30 is right next to it so you can get a good comparison, I know what I rather have in my oil sump.

[crazy_boy]

The ZDDP level is a bit high for a gas engine, Testing shows a 25% shorter CAT life but that's with a standard life of 160000klm. But you can think of it like this which is more expensive to replace in the future, the Cat or the engine. For me I rather have higher engine protection but that's just me. 1200ppm or lower is what you want for a gas car that's what use to be in oils back in 2007 if your worried about your CAT. For me I will be using the highest zinc content I can find in all my vehicles gas or diesel.

CAT VS ENGINE, Engine wins for me. Plus with the fuel quality there your CAT will probably poop out early anyways.

It's a group IV oil like Mobil 1 so that's one good thing it's got going for it. The MSDS sucks from these guys.

Idemitsu Lube (S) Pte Ltd - We Care About Your Engine And Our World.

You shouldn't be using 30 weight oil in anything in the Philippines if your looking for longer oil life, It's a tropical climate, don't even know why they sell it.

http://www.lubritecinc.com/PDF/Group4.pdf But if the price is right on this stuff it's probably a good mobil 1 replacement. Has a ton of moly in it.

Idemistu 5w30 is the 1st on the left, Mobil 1 5w30 is right next to it so you can get a good comparison, I know what I rather have in my oil sump.

ok sir, i will check if the innova and vios have catcon. if not, will use the 1st option which has high Zinc content (though, its not S rated. dont know if i should be worried with this)

if both have catcon, then i will use the second option which is idemitsu oil. its actually cheap at 1300 pesos/4 liters.

im sure a lot of people from tsikot are thankful that someone like you gives us advice on technical stuffs hehe

[blue_gambit]

Yes that's a total fake filter, look at all that loose glue, and poor filter elements, What a total piece of crap! Let me guess you got it at Pacer?

Actually I got it from WnL trading (New Manila) the first store that I read here that carried fleetguard. I believe another member here used it so it was my belief the Fleetguard filters there where originals, even bought two... It was wrapped in Plastic wrap FYI.. no barcode, no place of manufacture on the box or the filter body.

Never had the time to bring it to Pacer since I would just be wasting my time. They would neither refund me for the filters I bought since its not from them.. Well at least I didn't use them..

This is the problem with counterfeits, we try to buy the good stuff for our rig and end up loosing money and not saving at all in the end. In fairness to PACER co. I didn't get the filters from them. For all I know WnL doesn't know this is what the internals of the fleetguard filter they carry... And infairness to fleetguard they did call me up to entertain my query and tried to facilitate to verify the authenticity of the filters I bought.

Makes me wanna second guess if Baldwins here are legit.. hmmm Anybody got a can opener for Baldwin Filters? hehehe

at the end of the day... Caveat Emptor..

[paj4x4]

blue_gambit - Re Genuine Baldwins - check out page 114 of this thread.

Per dvldoc Volmax sells genuine Baldwins. Got 2 pcs of BD28 for the Gen 2.5 and a B2 for my 80 series. You may also look at Wix filters c/o Superior Motors. Part # for the 4m40 is Wix 51675.

Best to get Fleetguards, Purolators, and Baldwin's from the US. Dvldoc can help you out when he gets here in August. I already got Baldwin's and Fleetguards from him for my gas fed LC's. HTH

[zix888]

Makes me wanna second guess if Baldwins here are legit.. hmmm Anybody got a can opener for Baldwin Filters? hehehe

at the end of the day... Caveat Emptor..

Paps nagbukas na ako niyan even posted the pics. bd28, got it sa volmax, used for 5000kms, and dvldoc confirmed its original baldwins. He said its a waste of money if not used for at least 10000kms -12000kms.

[dvldoc]

Both W&L and Pacer do have real fleetguards to you just have to check them out yourself, they have real mixed in with fakes. Still annoys me even after all the complaints Fleetguard has done nothing about shutting this place down.

[miko101130]

Doc i came across these two PDS of gulf lubricants,

super fleet supreme 15w-40


fleetforce synth 15w-40


im currently distributing the super fleet supreme to a trucking company, then i came across gulf's fleet force synth,
if you look at the TBN of the second Product data sheet, the 15w-40 has a TBN of 15.8!!!
is that good or bad cause its higher even compared to mobil delvac 5w-40 which only has TBN of 12...

whats your opinion DOc? TIA

[miko101130]

i mean the second PDS , the 10w40 has 15.8 TBN

[dvldoc]

Good god, now that's some monster oil, it is designed for extended drain intervals your talking 25000klm with a fleet service filter. You could run this stuff for a long time. When my stock run out which will take a very long time due to my bypass system I will be using this stuff for sure. They are not specific about the zinc level but I'm sure it's around the 1500ppm if not higher and is most likely loaded with moly and boron and a very high detergent package.

http://www.gasoline-gulf.com/main/pd...KW%20Flyer.pdf

Here's another good list of oils
http://www.bullenger.no/admin/common...sp?Fileid=1882

[miko101130]

my first thought also was, OMG... 15.8 TBN...
Any diesel engine will be thrilled and happy to receive an oil like that... initially i'll buy 7 liters from my supplier and test it our ford everest,
15.8 TBN plus Fleet filters is unbeatable..hahaha... trucking companies aren't too thrilled cause it might be pricey for them...

[blue_gambit]

Paps nagbukas na ako niyan even posted the pics. bd28, got it sa volmax, used for 5000kms, and dvldoc confirmed its original baldwins. He said its a waste of money if not used for at least 10000kms -12000kms.

Good to here that, atleast worth it. No more second guessing if fake or not... sayang 1K ko, ilang Milktea rin yun... hehehe

One question Doc, since the 4M40 is an old school diesel and was designed for 5000kms change oil intervals. Is it safe if I do 10,000 kms or 1 year change (whichever comes first) oil interval on Baldwin BD28 & TOP1 SDO oil? I rarely go 5000 on 6 mos. and would definitely wont go over 10K in a year... Thanks

[crazy_boy]

Good to here that, atleast worth it. No more second guessing if fake or not... sayang 1K ko, ilang Milktea rin yun... hehehe

One question Doc, since the 4M40 is an old school diesel and was designed for 5000kms change oil intervals. Is it safe if I do 10,000 kms or 1 year change (whichever comes first) oil interval on Baldwin BD28 & TOP1 SDO oil? I rarely go 5000 on 6 mos. and would definitely wont go over 10K in a year... Thanks

BG, this is the reply of Dvldoc regarding my query on Top1 SDO.

There will be no performance difference over Mobil1 TDT and TOP 1 synthetic diesel oil. Top one actually has more additives so it will provide better wear protection and they have about the same TBN. These will both go 10000kms with a good filter easily.

It boils down to price and availability. Personally I would go with the Top 1 because it has a better API rating which = more ZDDP for better protection.

There is no definitive study that shows group III synthetic vs group IV like mobil1 have a disadvantage. API rating is more important, besides the older engines and lower hp 4cly turbo diesels are not running 400hp to 500hpand 8 cylinders like diesels overseas and for sure are not pushing the boost levels of those vehicles.

TOP1, Delo, and many other locally found brands provide excellent protection. Top1 is about equal to Mobil Delvac 1300 super. Which is great oil and what I use.

my first thought also was, OMG... 15.8 TBN...
Any diesel engine will be thrilled and happy to receive an oil like that... initially i'll buy 7 liters from my supplier and test it our ford everest,
15.8 TBN plus Fleet filters is unbeatable..hahaha... trucking companies aren't too thrilled cause it might be pricey for them...

miko, how much is the fleetforce synth?

[miko101130]

update ko kayo once i got it from the supplier... sa kanya din kasi ako kuha drums ng langis for trucking companies eh...

[Ry_Tower]

Both W&L and Pacer do have real fleetguards to you just have to check them out yourself, they have real mixed in with fakes. Still annoys me even after all the complaints Fleetguard has done nothing about shutting this place down.

Yeah, and the fleetgurad guy still has not invited us to his seminar. LOL

BTW: dvldoc it seems baldwin are expensive on the net ($24-28). Just wanna ask if they are cheap in local auto shops there or walmart?

[paj4x4]

Yeah, and the fleetgurad guy still has not invited us to his seminar. LOL

BTW: dvldoc it seems baldwin are expensive on the net ($24-28). Just wanna ask if they are cheap in local auto shops there or walmart?

I already checked. Fleet service filters - Baldwin, Fleetguard, and the like are not readily available in car parts shops in the US (Pep Boys, Kragen, and Autozone). I assume same with Walmart. I just got my requirements from dvldoc himself.

[dvldoc]

As I have stated before filters like Fleetguard, Baldwin, Luberfiner etc, cannot be bough at your local autoparts stores, You normally have to get them online or go to a trucking store to buy them.

You can find cheaper BD28 on Welcome to Filterbarn™ | Discount Oil Filters | Discount Air And Fuel Filters | Heavy Equipment and Diesel Engine Filters that's about as cheap as you will find them, other than that they are not cheap filters.

That fleetguard guy was just a employee not the owner, I called him out on that along time ago, They know they have fakes at that store. I emailed Fleetguard again to see why nothing has been done still

[Ry_Tower]

As I have stated before filters like Fleetguard, Baldwin, Luberfiner etc, cannot be bough at your local autoparts stores, You normally have to get them online or go to a trucking store to buy them.

You can find cheaper BD28 on Welcome to Filterbarn™ | Discount Oil Filters | Discount Air And Fuel Filters | Heavy Equipment and Diesel Engine Filters that's about as cheap as you will find them, other than that they are not cheap filters.

That fleetguard guy was just a employee not the owner, I called him out on that along time ago, They know they have fakes at that store. I emailed Fleetguard again to see why nothing has been done still

Thanks for the site. They are the cheaapest indeed. Looks like good supply of DB28 but only 1 for BD7028.

[dvldoc]

Thanks for the site. They are the cheaapest indeed. Looks like good supply of DB28 but only 1 for BD7028.

That filter size is very rare, not very many vehicles ever used it here.