Khaos Super Gas Saver

[Skywalker]

About the Lean issue - Khaos inventor claims that the device regulates a 15:1 A/F mixture. That is NOT lean. Please look up my post on this. Now if you ask how Khaos supposedly does that? I do not know the answer to that.

What???? That tube with some springs and sort of valves can regulate an A/F mixture? Can that device do that at all RPM ranges?

Based on the dissection made by Ghosthunter, I can't see any sensor nor computer nor any feedback mechanism that can do an accurate regulation of 15:1.

Claims are claims. Beware!

Sa mga nagpakabit ng Khaos, meron ba silang ginamit na device para masukat ang AF mixture?

[mazdamazda]

What???? That tube with some springs and sort of valves can regulate an A/F mixture? Can that device do that at all RPM ranges?

Based on the dissection made by Ghosthunter, I can't see any sensor nor computer nor any feedback mechanism that can do an accurate regulation of 15:1.

Claims are claims. Beware!

Sa mga nagpakabit ng Khaos, meron ba silang ginamit na device para masukat ang AF mixture?

and as I've said before...

if they claim that they can regulate the af mixture to 15:1 at all times... what happens when you try to accelerate / overtake?

[ghosthunter]

My comment is based on the data I read.
So are you saying that there is a different machine and method used for measuring Diesel engine emissions?

Just saying that Inventionhaus, etc always mentions that the Khaos thingie is meant for GASOLINE engines only. They were "developing" a diesel engine version.

About the Lean issue - Khaos inventor claims that the device regulates a 15:1 A/F mixture. That is NOT lean. Please look up my post on this. Now if you ask how Khaos supposedly does that? I do not know the answer to that.

That's the point. If a modern car needs a computer & a minimum of three sensors to give correct air-fuel mixture to the engine, how does a spring-valve regulate it any better? And thats just at idle. How about if the car was accelerating hard? How about a steady cruise at 3000 rpm?

My suggesting to you, Freeman, is to make sure of what you are supporting before you back it up. Otherwise you just might look like a fool.

[Freeman]

To the all knowing, infallible, onmiscient, benevolent Ghosthunter -

Thank you for your sincere concern and your wisdom-filled "suggesting". "Suggesting"? Poetic license perhaps?

By the way, you seem to be only a ghost of your former self these days.

You may have also overlooked my other post. See below. Please rectify this as you've made fools of us all.

Cripes!

Ghost - We are arguing over a non-issue because of an error you have made.

Vipac Lab used Australia Design Rule 81/01 not 80/01

ADR 81/01 is their standard for testing fuel consumption - not emmissions.

Tsk tsk that just shows that we may have to review each ones words carefully before we take it as truth and comment to end up sounding like fools.

You have the floor Mr. Moderator......................................

[BlueBimmer]

mmmm init nanaman dito....

[doc eric]

..SNIP....There must also be improvements in reduction of NOx and CO2 wherein no reduction was observed in this particular evaluation.

Just a friendly comment on the above....

The CO2 level in the emissions is expected to go up if the combustion is more complete as CO2 is the inevitable product of the complete combustion of carbon-containing fuels.....one cannot expect CO2 concentrations to decrease with the KSTC...

NOx emissions, on the other hand, will depend on the combustion temperature....higher temps will result in more NOx (NO and NO2).

Cheers!


"If there's any good coming out of these exchanges, it is that more people are becoming conscious of the concepts of combustion, a/f ratio, emissions quality, fuel consumption... that's education in progress. If we can keep tempers under control, that's even better......as they say, anger clouds the mind"

[ghosthunter]

By the way, you seem to be only a ghost of your former self these days.

(Don't you just love the way they over-inflate a single thing?)

You may have also overlooked my other post. See below. Please rectify this as you've made fools of us all.

My mistake in ADR 80/01 against ADR 81/01. I'll get back to your ADR 81/01 when i have more time. Or you can save us all time and post the actual ADR 81/01 or a link to it?

BTW, where are those pages and pages of data you promised to post?

Anyway, here's my question...

why test the Khaos thingie on a 1989 Mitsu 2.5L sedan with a carburated engine? Does it even prove anything in the year 2005 where all the cars already have electronic fuel injection (EFI) engines?

Note: Carburated engines can have their carbs adjusted to be leaner without the need of any third party device installed. Thats one of the tricks I know how some taxi drivers save money on their gasoline bill.

[ghosthunter]

just a comment ...

have you noticed the "tone" in Freeman's older and current message posts?

Notice that in the older messages:
-He reluctantly admitted that he is a reseller of the said device
-He wants to know if the device works, etc.
-He was actually friendly and a bit helpful (to a point).

Newer messages:
-He seems to have been turned to the "dark-side" by the "force".
-Liberal use of adjectives in an ironic manner (attempt to insult, maybe?)
-No new data even with the mention of the released data from australia that supposedly supports Inventionhaus' claims. Curious since he did post a quote, I assume, that was taken from the australian test report.

[Bogeyman]

Can you say S-M-U-G?

As mentioned, the Australian test doesn't prove anything significant nor groundbreaking, at least where NOx emissions are concerned. What we want to know is how Khaos works with today's engine tech, not tech from 15 years ago.

And when I say today's engines, I mean more than just those dinky government vehicles with the 1000cc displacement. The fact that Planas and cohorts love to trumpet test results using those vehicles is laughable and pathetic.

Well, if we really want to know how the device works with modern tech, all we need to do is go back to what happened to the two Ford Lynx cars fitted with the thing.

[BlueBimmer]

maybe that is the reason y they keep testing on old a$$ cars?

[ghosthunter]

Australia Design Rule 79 - Emissions Control for Light Vehicles

The function of this Australian Design Rule is to prescribe exhaust and evaporative emission requirements for light vehicles in order to reduce air pollution.




Australia Design Rule 81 - Fuel Consumption Labelling for Light Vehicles

The function of this Australian Design Rule is to prescribe requirements for the measurement of fuel consumption and the design and application of fuel consumption labels to vehicles.

[Skywalker]

-He seems to have been turned to the "dark-side" by the "force".

May the force be with you !

The more they talk, the more we realize that it's a .... :suka:

[ghosthunter]

[SIZE=5]The Official KHAOS Super Turbo Charger Test Vehicle:[/SIZE]
(for the Australia Design Rules)

1989 Mitsubishi Magna info




1989 MITSUBISHI MAGNA TP GLX


Body 4 door Sedan
Transmission 5 speed Manual
Fuel Type Petrol
Release Date 1989
Segment Medium


Engine:
Engine code: V571, V572
Capacity (cm3): 2555
Compression ratio: 8.8:1
Maximum power: 83kW * 5200rpm (approx 111.3 hp)
Maximum torque: 195Nm * 2800rpm
Cylinders: 4
Engine location: Front
Configuration: In-line
Engine orientation: Transverse
Induction Fuel system type: Carb

Transmission:
description 5 speed man
Final drive location Front

Wheels:
Rim material Steel
Front rim description 5.5JJx14
Rear rim description 5.5JJx14
Front tyre description 175/75 R14
Rear tyre description 175/75 R14

Dimensions:
Length (mm) 4620
Width (mm) 1765
Height (mm) 1396
Wheelbase (mm) 2600
Kerb mass (kg) 1216

[the_wildthing]

Testing one vehicle doesn't really say much. Dapat marami, varied.

[ILuvDetailing]

Baka wala nang budget?

[Bogeyman]

Baka wala lang balls.

[BlueBimmer]

that magna is HOT!!! bwehehehe

[Freeman]

Ghost -

The only thing over inflated is your ego. You may be in need of an air bleed device to deflate it (luckily you have 2, they need not be paperweights any longer). You sound more like a celebrity then a moderator, the rest here are expected to be your adoring public. Sorry if I aint part of your band wagon.

Comment? That was a heap!

Did Unca Fweeman get Ghosty's widdle goat? Did he wuffle your feathers?

It's nice to know you can admit mistakes, even after a little goading. Thats mighty manly of you!

If you're getting impatient with the image of the Vipac results you can read my copy in my office. I will be more than happy to show them to you.

[ILuvDetailing]

Woah a challenge has been issued...

[ghosthunter]

Ghost -

The only thing over inflated is your ego. You may be in need of an air bleed device to deflate it (luckily you have 2, they need not be paperweights any longer). You sound more like a celebrity then a moderator, the rest here are expected to be your adoring public. Sorry if I aint part of your band wagon.

Did I hit a nerve or something here?

Let me correct you, I am no celebrity. I am just a person who is interested in separating the b#llsh#t from the facts.

Comment? That was a heap!

yup. The heap used to test the khaos thingie. Just as conclusive as a certain ancient Nissan Datsun tested at a certain government agency.

Did Unca Fweeman get Ghosty's widdle goat? Did he wuffle your feathers?

lol... he does have a sense of humor!

BTW, there is an inexpensive treatment for that speech impediment of yours.

If your getting impatient with the Vipac results you can read my copy in my office. I will be more than happy to show them to you.

nah! I love sitting in my comfy chair waiting for the report to be posted in tsikot.com. At least that way, we ALL can read the report at the same time, right?