Khaos Super Gas Saver

[vernieg]

When someone start installing khaos or any air bleed setup on EFI engines specially those with oxygen sensors and expect to save on fuel, it is very possible they do not know what they are doing.

When someone selling khaos telling you it will work on any cars and you'll save fuel with it, it is very possible they are only after your money and they don't care about you at all.

Devices like this one should have a return policy, pag di nagustohan ang resulta after using it, dapat pwede ma return then money back din. Hindi naman ito consumable so pwedeng ma return since unsatisfied ka naman sa results. Kung wala silang ganitong policy, talo ka na when you give your several thousands of pesos for they are only after your money.

Bilang mamimili naman, dapat alamin din natin kung ano ang balak bilhin and it is not necessary that you believe everything na sinabi sayo ng sales people. Some of them does not even know what they are selling. Kapag good ang produkto, mabenta talaga at wala kang maririnig na problema. You don't even need a lot of ads about it, word of mouth nalang ang mangyari from satisfied customers at dadagsa ang mga taong bibili sa produkto mo. Ang importante na intindihan ng customer kung ano ang produkto, kung paano at saan ito dapat gagamitin at kung ano ang expected na results when using the product. Kung di sila satisfied sa results, they must have an option to return the product.

[niky]

the bottom line is savings per my recent report.

Your report had no scientific basis or controlled criteria. The only accurately measured numbers you showed were your emission results... and they showed that the Khaos increased NOx emissions and didn't show the decrease in CO emissions one would associate with a nearly 40% decrease in fuel usage.

Shall we review:

Sa mga init na init:

This is my report:

Silverado extended cab 8 cyl, 2004: City driving
Without khaos=10mpg
With khaos=16mpg

Installation: PCV valve

California Smog test results:
Without Khaos With Khaos
reading target reading target
Speed mph: 25.3 25.0 25.1 25.0
Load: 12.3 15.1 12.1 15.1
limit limit
HC ppm 7 111 6 111
CO 0.01 0.66 0.01 0.66
CO2 15.7
O2 0.0
NOx 51 1016 61 1016

Toyota Sienna 2005 6 cyl
Without khaos = 24 mpg
Withkhaos = 32 mpg
Installation: Hydrovac

Wait for EPA exemption certification/permit soon.

Siverado: 37.5% fuel saved in city driving, allegedly.

SMOG test:

CO emissions: no change. Should decrease concordant to fuel usage decrease. Carbon emissions are directly linked to fuel usage.

NOx emissions: 16% increase. Love the smell of those oxides...

And these are numbers you provided. With no scans or proof of testing.

So... can we do the local test? Same stipulations. Etcetera, etcetera, etceterae. If your device actually works, I might sell you Ghosthunter's true identity...




What the heck...


That's him on the left side:



Be careful. He has a bad temper.

[A121]

the bottom line is savings per my recent report.

What ever happened to peer review?

[ghosthunter]

What ever happened to peer review?

Peer review is not important. What is important to him is his opinion.

[ghosthunter]

A very pleasant day to everyone in this forum.

We, Khaos Manufacturing would like to invite anyone who will be interested to have an Actual Test with us using LAUNCH Engine Scanner and Star Gas Global Diagnostic Emission Analyzer.

To test Fuel Savings, parameter will be "Idle Stationary" - the engine runs 30 minutes without Khaos and 30 minutes with Khaos using Portable Tank, Electric Fuel Pump with Pressure Regulator and Graduated Cylinder.

The above mentioned test aims to present to the general public actual test results of Khaos Super Gas Saver and appropriately provide facts concerning performance, effects and safety of our products.

We are willing to invite Media people to be with us on the said test and we shall accordingly place ads in leading newspapers announcing the date. This will be open to the general public.

For customers
Those who have experienced problems in using our Khaos Super Gas Saver, please feel free to contact us so we may appropriately address your concerns. Our Technical Services Team shall be on hand to make necessary diagnostic tests and/or adjustments.

Three weeks after Khaos' announcement of a media circus ... este.... public test/demo of their so-called 5th generation Khaos gadget...

.... nothing.

Just like the claimed savings you would get from using their gadget, it's all hot air.

[khaos]

Hello there,

I've been trying to post a message and this is for the 3rd time, I don't understand why after a long time of waiting, my message was not posted afterwards. Sometimes, whenever I log in a prompt message pops out saying there has been a problem & tsikot is trying to fix it.
And mind you, this is my second attempt to post this message!

Anyhow...

Let me review again Mr. Niky & Mr. Ghosthunter's response.

Thank you

[marg]

sigue nga pumicture ka at lumantad?

harap harapan kung sino ka talaga.

2002 up to now, 5th generation na nga, di ka pa tumitigil.

utot mo. multo aswang

SCAM SCAM SCAM

[khaos]

Dear Mr. Niky,
Some of the rules you set forth is acceptable but the parameters…please review as we will need to sign agreement documents and of course together with some Engine Authorities both of us should agree to invite before we proceed with the schedule.
Please be reminded that in Actual Driving on the road, you cannot have a constant RPM or you’ll have a terrible accident. Yes of course the load should be the same and time on each RPM should be uniformed or at least + or – 5% (if it’s acceptable to you). There is nothing we cannot agree of on this Testing as long as the parameters you would like is Fair and possible.

[khaos]

Mr. Ghosthunter,
We very much regret that you had a misconception of our previous posts (Honda crv, Juan Kalabao & Rauvienne). The main reason we post that kind of message is just to find out what is really behind this blog you are moderating but never an intention to promote our products in your forum, as what they say…it’s not the right medium to do it & we are very much aware of that.
If we want to hide something, we will never surface like this and invite you to an open Actual Test.
All we want is to make this Actual Test with you….either to satisfy your negative beliefs on Khaos or a success for us to prove that we are not a scam as you claimed so.
This is not a fight and we are not looking for it. What we are looking for is a fair judgement but we believe effort should be exerted to gain it.
By the way, did I mention that Mr. Tony of Tony’s guide exchanged email with me? I even sent him some of our Testing & Certifications from other country. His initial response to our email is this…
“I hope you are aware that the research for my article was mostly done by other people; in particular, taking the Khaos unit apart and finding how it works. All I have done is to collate this information and add some engineering comment.”
He is skeptic of Khaos but this is because he is referring to all “Air Bleed Device”. I will try to send him some other Test Result from BPPT in Jakarta once we translated it. (Anyways, you can find it in the web if you’ll search, just look for BPPT Jakarta Khaos Test)
I hope to hear from you guys and let us do the Test.
God Bless!

[khaos]

I just want to comment on this Rules...

Respect should be earned not to be dictated.

I hope those unsuitable words should not be used in this forum. You can say negative comments without the cursing words right?

[ghosthunter]

Mr. Ghosthunter,
We very much regret that you had a misconception of our previous posts (Honda crv, Juan Kalabao & Rauvienne). The main reason we post that kind of message is just to find out what is really behind this blog you are moderating but never an intention to promote our products in your forum, as what they say…it’s not the right medium to do it & we are very much aware of that.

Excuses... excuses...

You can say WHATEVER you want. But it is clear as day as what you were trying to do with FAKE accounts all whom were supposedly are people using your gadget. Unfortunately for you, your SCAM on this message board was brought out to light (again and again).

No matter what you will say, your previous actions have spoken for you in much clearer words.

If we want to hide something, we will never surface like this and invite you to an open Actual Test.

Surface like what? ... A german U-boat preparing to launch a couple of torpedoes on a convoy of ships? (sorry, I was watching Das-Boot the other night).

The only reason you had to come out here was because this thread was probably appearing as the only "negative" review on Khaos whenever anyone uses google or yahoo.

All we want is to make this Actual Test with you….either to satisfy your negative beliefs on Khaos or a success for us to prove that we are not a scam as you claimed so.

You guys have had your chance years and years ago. So why now?

This is not a fight and we are not looking for it. What we are looking for is a fair judgement but we believe effort should be exerted to gain it.

LOL! This is business.

All it boils down is money, and Khaos has lost a lot of market share and you think getting the "tsikot.com" seal of approval will do it for you?

By the way, did I mention that Mr. Tony of Tony’s guide exchanged email with me? I even sent him some of our Testing & Certifications from other country. His initial response to our email is this…
“I hope you are aware that the research for my article was mostly done by other people; in particular, taking the Khaos unit apart and finding how it works. All I have done is to collate this information and add some engineering comment.”
He is skeptic of Khaos but this is because he is referring to all “Air Bleed Device”. I will try to send him some other Test Result from BPPT in Jakarta once we translated it. (Anyways, you can find it in the web if you’ll search, just look for BPPT Jakarta Khaos Test)
I hope to hear from you guys and let us do the Test.

Tony is an engineer. So am I. His article was done based on what was exchanged here. He can decide for himself what works and what doesn't work. He has enough information short of having an actual unit himself.

I gave a no B.S. examination of your gadget including taking it apart to examine it's workings.

Khaos is just another air-bleed device. No matter what clever repackaging of the product and marketing promotions you can do will NOT change that fact.

[ghosthunter]

I just want to comment on this Rules...

Respect should be earned not to be dictated.

I hope those unsuitable words should not be used in this forum. You can say negative comments without the cursing words right?

So earn your respect, newbie.

If you don't agree with the rules, you are always free to look for another discussion forum.

[mikmik316]

puro tayo mud slinging dapat sa DTI na magreklamo para di na mabenta yang device na yan!

[tanatej]

Best fuel saving device, is a light right foot.

[niky]

Dear Mr. Niky,
Some of the rules you set forth is acceptable but the parameters…please review as we will need to sign agreement documents and of course together with some Engine Authorities both of us should agree to invite before we proceed with the schedule.
Please be reminded that in Actual Driving on the road, you cannot have a constant RPM or you’ll have a terrible accident. Yes of course the load should be the same and time on each RPM should be uniformed or at least + or – 5% (if it’s acceptable to you). There is nothing we cannot agree of on this Testing as long as the parameters you would like is Fair and possible.

It's been a long time, and I never answered this... but:

My preference for doing the test on a dynamometer has everything to do with keeping constant load. An idle test will tell you nothing, especially since having the car simply idle for 30 minutes will not consume a whole lot of gasoline, and because, obviously, the engine will react differently to the modification under load.

A complaint of some customers who have used the Khaos whom I have talked to is "palya". How can you show that your product does not produce this effect without subjecting the engine to load?

I cannot agree to an idle only test. If we do an idle only test, with, say for example, the Unichip, I can "prove" that the Unichip installed in my vehicle will use 50% less gasoline than a standard car.

Of course... that's not particularly true. Such extreme idle leaning will cause running problems and issues under load... but you see why I want to do this the way I specified? Running at a constant 2500 rpm at constant throttle on the dyno is not a difficult test.

[victorevolution]

bumili ng khaos bobo!

[roberto_minosa]

Hindi naman, pwede rin naman kasi bumili nun para gumawa ng maparaang testing.

[electricx]

When someone start installing khaos or any air bleed setup on EFI engines specially those with oxygen sensors and expect to save on fuel, it is very possible they do not know what they are doing.

When someone selling khaos telling you it will work on any cars and you'll save fuel with it, it is very possible they are only after your money and they don't care about you at all.

Devices like this one should have a return policy, pag di nagustohan ang resulta after using it, dapat pwede ma return then money back din. Hindi naman ito consumable so pwedeng ma return since unsatisfied ka naman sa results. Kung wala silang ganitong policy, talo ka na when you give your several thousands of pesos for they are only after your money.

Bilang mamimili naman, dapat alamin din natin kung ano ang balak bilhin and it is not necessary that you believe everything na sinabi sayo ng sales people. Some of them does not even know what they are selling. Kapag good ang produkto, mabenta talaga at wala kang maririnig na problema. You don't even need a lot of ads about it, word of mouth nalang ang mangyari from satisfied customers at dadagsa ang mga taong bibili sa produkto mo. Ang importante na intindihan ng customer kung ano ang produkto, kung paano at saan ito dapat gagamitin at kung ano ang expected na results when using the product. Kung di sila satisfied sa results, they must have an option to return the product.

Let us just use our common sense po. If that device is NOT a hoax ask ourselves why this car manufacturing companies have not included this KHAOS device. Anyway po [SIZE=5]COMMON SENSE IS NOT COMMON[/SIZE][SIZE=5]
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[wakin]

buhay pa pala itong thread? haaay

[ghosthunter]

As long as there is money to be made ...