Khaos Super Gas Saver

[mazdamazda]

Test Results Highlights :

- Reduction of Carbon Monoxide and Total Hydrocarbons exceeds Australian standards by 65 %

- Fuel consumption reduction exceeds Australian standards by 16 to 25%

as usual... no NOx results...

as what we've been bitching in this thread over and over again... CO & HC will definitely go down and fuel consumption will improve with a lean burning engine.

[mazdamazda]

One quick observation, I noticed a notch increase on the temperature gauge, but I am not that concerned about it, I am not even reaching a third of the temp gauge.

the effects of a lean-burning engine perhaps?

btw, thanks for your VERY detailed observation.

[ghosthunter]

Australian evaluation of Khaos is out!

"The vehicle was tested a total of 6 times over the combined urban and extra urban drive cycle outlined w/in Australia Design Rule 79/01, 3 tests were undertaken on the standard vehicle followed by three tests with the device installed. Tailpipe Emissions of CO, THC, NOx and CO2 were sampled via a CVS system as outlined in Australia Design Rule 81/01, with the fuel consumption being calculated via the Carbon balance method oultined in Australia Design Rule 81/01.

Australia Design Rule

79/00 Emission Control for Light Vehicles

This new ADR implements the "Euro 2" exhaust and evaporative emissions standards for light vehicles in order to reduce air pollution. It will apply to all passenger and goods carrying vehicles with a gross vehicle mass less than or equal to 3.5 tonnes. For vehicles operating on diesel fuel, the rule will apply to new models from 1 January 2002 and all models from 2003. For vehicles operating on petrol, liquefied petroleum gas or natural gas, the rule will apply to new models from 2003 and all vehicles from 2004.

79/01 Emission Control for Light Vehicles

This new ADR implements the "Euro 3" and "Euro 4" exhaust and evaporative emissions standards for light vehicles in order to reduce air pollution. It will apply to all passenger and goods carrying vehicles with a gross vehicle mass less than or equal to 3.5 tonnes. For vehicles operating on diesel fuel, the rule will apply the "Euro 4" limits to new models from 1 January 2006 and all models from 2007. For vehicles operating on petrol, liquefied petroleum gas or natural gas, the rule will apply the "Euro 3" limits to new models from 2005 and all vehicles from 2006.

80/00 Emission Control for Heavy Vehicles

This new ADR implements the "Euro 3" exhaust emissions standards for heavy vehicles in order to reduce air pollution. It will apply to all passenger and goods carrying vehicles with a gross vehicle mass greater than 3.5 tonnes. For vehicles operating on diesel, liquefied petroleum gas and natural gas, the rule will apply "Euro 3" limits to new models from 2002 and all vehicles from 2003, with the "US 1998" standards being accepted as an alternative. For vehicles operating on petrol the rule will apply the "US 1996" standards to new models from 2003 and all vehicles from 2004.

80/01 Emission Control for Heavy Vehicles

This new ADR implements the "Euro 4" exhaust emissions standards for heavy vehicles in order to reduce air pollution. It will apply to all passenger and goods carrying vehicles with a gross vehicle mass greater than 3.5 tonnes. For vehicles operating on diesel, liquefied petroleum gas and natural gas, the rule will apply "Euro 4" limits to new models from 2006 and all vehicles from 2007, with the "US 2004" standards being accepted as an alternative. For vehicles operating on petrol the rule will apply the "US 1998" standards to new models from 2005 and all vehicles from 2006.


Australian Design Rules for Vehicle Emissions



Is it just me, or did Inventionhaus tested the Khaos thingie on a TRUCK (with a weight of 3.5 TONNES or more)?






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[OTEP]

Maybe a Mitsu Magna does weigh 3.5 tonnes? NOT!!!

[ghosthunter]

1989 Mitsubishi Magna info




MITSUBISHI MAGNA TP GLX


Body 4 door Sedan
Transmission 5 speed Manual
Fuel Type Petrol
Release Date 1989
Segment Medium


Engine:
Engine code V571, V572
Capacity (cm3) 2555
Compression ratio 8.8:1
Maximum power 83kW * 5200rpm (approx 111.3 hp)
Maximum torque 195Nm * 2800rpm
Cylinders 4
Engine location Front
Configuration In-line
Engine orientation Transverse
Induction Fuel system type Carb


Transmission:
description 5 speed man
Final drive location Front


Wheels:
Rim material Steel
Front rim description 5.5JJx14
Rear rim description 5.5JJx14
Front tyre description 175/75 R14
Rear tyre description 175/75 R14


Dimensions:
Length (mm) 4620
Width (mm) 1765
Height (mm) 1396
Wheelbase (mm) 2600
Kerb mass (kg) 1216

[BlueBimmer]

y do they keep on testing on extremely old cars, 16 yrs old! y not a 5 year old car

[Freeman]

Read my post again and see the comment on NOx and CO2.

Who are we to say that ADR 80/01 should not apply to such a vehicle?

[the_wildthing]

It will apply to all passenger and goods carrying vehicles with a gross vehicle mass greater than 3.5 tonnes.

Uh, common sense?

I suppose all countries require that implementing rules and regulations follow wordings that will make it less prone to misinterpretation. I would assume there is a rule for < 3.5 tonnes?

[nugundam93]

yay...still no NOx. ugh.

at least we have some detailed first-hand observations. thanks Gonzaldp!

[Skywalker]

Oo nga bakit sa very old, carburetted, inefficient (83kw only for 2.5l engine) cars lang nila ginagawa ang test nila. Wala bang test sa common cars sa atin which is efi , 1.6L and 5 years old or less.

I already know the result anyway

[ghosthunter]

Read my post again and see the comment on NOx and CO2.

yes, it is just your comment. No data at all.

Who are we to say that ADR 80/01 should not apply to such a vehicle?

yes... why not, but how many gasoline powered cars do we have here on the philippine roads that weighs more than 3.5 tonnes and has a carburated engine under the hood?

Remember that the Khaos is supposed to be meant for gasoline powered engines ONLY.

[BlueBimmer]

even ultra luxury cars like the 7 series equipped with every possible options n gadgets u could imagine cannot weigh 3.5tons, karga ata ng kotseng yan buong bahay e hehe

[johnnyd]

i have been a long-time "fan" of this thread. i would just like to relate my experience w/ khaos. i had 1 inside my ride out of curiosity for 6 months & my conclusion is khaos will not work on new computer-controlled, fuel-injected vehicles. the engine sounds rougher than usual & as for fuel savings i only got .5 km additional per liter. so after 6 months i removed the khaos after reading the harm an engine might get by being lean-burning & sold it to my kumpare w/ a warning to install it at his own risk.

i have to commend ghosthunter for his in-depth analysis of khaos na complete w/ dissection. nice work man.

[ILuvDetailing]

Its about the numbers. And yup, why not test it on a modern car with a EFI engine. It ain't hard to find one of those, is it?

[joms]

lets say that for an instant this magic device does work and with all its given benefits, it sure is damn cheap but has anyone given any thought that there might be some "side effects" which would utterly destroy your engine in the long term? some "side effects" which might come out years after you have installed the product and the product support has gone away.

caveat emptor. (buyers beware).

most people are looking for claims and explanations if this product works. above this, there still might be something more on the other side of the coin.
even IF this device works, has it gone through the test of time?

just think of all the cars that gets recalled, all the medicines which gets banned due to side effects which were found YEARS after their product release. kahit nga yung corned beef sa europe eh may side effect pala (mad cow) and to think these products have been TESTED THOROUGHLY for years.

What more with this mere device which hasnt even gone through the test of time, no scientific claims, nor has undergone a thorough exhaustive testing?

Even if it does what if claims, without proper and exhustive testing, the chances that of it having negative side effects will be very high. Actually come to think of it, paano kung meron na pala silang alam na side effect which would damage your engine pero hindi lang nila sainasabi? may mahahabol ba kayong tao? this is just 1 single person who can easily fly away to a foreign country and hide. (unlike an established multinational country)

Ingat lang sa mga may balak bumili. im just showing you another angle. =)

[ILuvDetailing]

Thats why we want numbers and hard data as proof this device works and not only "percentages".

[joms]

actually im not after the data if it works or not as most of you are attacking that side of the product already.... and with very logical reasoning if i might add.

Im interested, however, on the "side effects" and/or if there has been any thorough testing done which is comparable to those which are done by big manufacturers to minimize the risks associated in using the said turbo charger.

[yebo]

tagal na to dito hindi pa din na-settle?

bottom line is this: lean a/f ratio leads to knocking at high revs. so if you want a busted piston, connecting rod, crankshaft and cylinder head, then go and install one. let's see if the purported savings in gasoline will offset the cost of an overhaul or a new engine.

besides, a carburator can easily be adjsuted so it gives a lean a/f. so why spend P6500?

efi engines with khaos? DUH! won't work dude, the computer will adjust the a/f back to original factory settings in a few seconds.

hit your head on a solid brick wall, it may do you more good than this *#$%*!

[Freeman]

yes, it is just your comment. No data at all.




yes... why not, but how many gasoline powered cars do we have here on the philippine roads that weighs more than 3.5 tonnes and has a carburated engine under the hood?

Remember that the Khaos is supposed to be meant for gasoline powered engines ONLY.

My comment is based on the data I read.

So are you saying that there is a different machine and method used for measuring Diesel engine emissions?

For that matter, does one need a different machine to measure emissions from a truck and a bantam car?

About the Lean issue - Khaos inventor claims that the device regulates a 15:1 A/F mixture. That is NOT lean. Please look up my post on this. Now if you ask how Khaos supposedly does that? I do not know the answer to that.

[Freeman]

Cripes!

Ghost - We are arguing over a non-issue because of an error you have made.

Vipac Lab used Australia Design Rule 81/01 not 80/01

ADR 81/01 is their standard for testing fuel consumption - not emmissions.

Tsk tsk that just shows that we may have to review each ones words carefully before we take it as truth and comment to end up sounding like fools.

You have the floor Mr. Moderator......................................