Khaos Super Gas Saver

[mazdamazda]

U are right! However, if the proper amount of additional air is given only on demand, then running lean is avoided. If you run lean, overheating would result and no overheating has been experienced at all. The valve used came from a model airplane engine.

errr... how do you measure the "proper" amount of air needed by the engine? was the ECU reprogrammed to adjust for the additional unmetered air being introduced to the engine?

btw, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY to make an existing engine to be more fuel efficient through mechanical means - other than to lean (even if slightly) the air-fuel mixture (other than that your fuel consumption will depend on your driving style, vehicle condition, traffic volume, etc). try revving your engine hard and you'll notice some difference.

come to think of it, if car manufacturers are spending billions in research annually on more fuel-efficient engines - how come they haven't adapted this idea into their new vehicles?

[BioActiv]

khaos claimed can be validated. Very simple way lang to get the perfect air fuel mixture. You just need a right emission equipment capable of reading "lambda" or simply the air - fuel ratio of the engine. No product substantation on khaos pa tayong makikita except claims !! I would suggest better try Biodiesel ! This really works! A very, practical, inexpensive, non invasive way, of cleaning the engine internals. Socially good for human health, economically good for the agri industry, environmentally friendly, and user friendly. No engine modification and will not void warranty. Biodiesel has been used in leading countries in Europe, and US and up to 20 % blend ratio. Good thing, we have here in the Philippines and thanks to Chemrez, Seaoil, Flying V, and Eastern Petroleum. You may want to visit their stations and see for yourself. Nothing to loose. All of us are " win -win here. Biodisel use will also soften the impact on imported fuel. Magkaroon man ng runaway crisis on crude, aandar pa rin tayo simply because of BioActiv.. premium Biodiesel.

[ghosthunter]

khaos claimed can be validated. Very simple way lang to get the perfect air fuel mixture. You just need a right emission equipment capable of reading "lambda" or simply the air - fuel ratio of the engine. No product substantation on khaos pa tayong makikita except claims !! I would suggest better try Biodiesel ! This really works! A very, practical, inexpensive, non invasive way, of cleaning the engine internals. Socially good for human health, economically good for the agri industry, environmentally friendly, and user friendly. No engine modification and will not void warranty. Biodiesel has been used in leading countries in Europe, and US and up to 20 % blend ratio. Good thing, we have here in the Philippines and thanks to Chemrez, Seaoil, Flying V, and Eastern Petroleum. You may want to visit their stations and see for yourself. Nothing to loose. All of us are " win -win here. Biodisel use will also soften the impact on imported fuel. Magkaroon man ng runaway crisis on crude, aandar pa rin tayo simply because of BioActiv.. premium Biodiesel.

Kindly stop with your sales talk in this forum. Your reply is a thinly disguised advertisment for your product.

[vixen]

especially when those KIDS are also CUSTOMERS buying Khaos Super Turbo Charger.

Buyer beware, the advertised moneyback guarantees may not be as advertised.

My personal qoute has nothing to do with your so called complaints. I don't see any relevance of it in this thread. say whatever you wanna say about the product, tell all your dramas and criticize it, that will be okey. but THAT, what you did, posting even my personal qoute is none of your *bleep*ing biz

Who gave you the god damn permission para pakilaman pati personal qoute ko

[ghosthunter]

My personal qoute has nothing to do with your so called complaints. I don't see any relevance of it in this thread. say whatever you wanna say about the product, tell all your dramas and criticize it, that will be okey. but THAT, what you did, posting even my personal qoute is none of your *bleep*ing biz

and you'll be showing your "ho-hum" indifference to your customers' concerns (since you already have their money in your hand).

Who gave you the god damn permission para pakilaman pati personal qoute ko

was it copyrighted?



i guess someone is showing her true spots. :fight:

[Bogeyman]

Well, basically anything you post is fair game. After all, we're talking about the World Wide Web, where other people can freely view the information you share.

Besides vixen, the statement in question is an unsubstantiated and ignorant blanket assumption. And it's not even an original statement for you to make a fuss. If I were you, I'd instead devote my energies to looking for substantive and conclusive proof that the Khaos Super Turbo Charger is everything you claim it to be.

Get over it child, and move on. NOW.

[Walter]

Maybe she had a bad hair day. :fire:

[maop99]

Ang friend ko nagpakabit ng Khaos turbo charger, ngayon gusto niyang tanggalin...nasira kaya yung makina niya? or naapektohan kaya yung performance? nakakasira ba ng engine yan? or okay pa rin ba ang engine niya? It seems that maraming naniniwala walang nagagawa and khaos, so I assume na di niya rin masisira ang makina? di niya mapapaganda, di rin niya masisira kasi wala siyang ginagawa? Correct ba guys? sorry natatakot na kasi ag friend ko baka nasira ang engine niya in the long run and wala naman ako alam sa Khaos? Please help

[GlennSter]

pare.please use the search function.khaos is the most controversial threads here in tsikot.meaning..pinag usapan at pinag awayan na yan extensively.dami nang threads about it.

thank you.

[ghosthunter]

Ang friend ko nagpakabit ng Khaos turbo charger, ngayon gusto niyang tanggalin...nasira kaya yung makina niya? or naapektohan kaya yung performance? nakakasira ba ng engine yan? or okay pa rin ba ang engine niya? It seems that maraming naniniwala walang nagagawa and khaos, so I assume na di niya rin masisira ang makina? di niya mapapaganda, di rin niya masisira kasi wala siyang ginagawa? Correct ba guys? sorry natatakot na kasi ag friend ko baka nasira ang engine niya in the long run and wala naman ako alam sa Khaos? Please help

khaos device causes the engine to burn lean. A lean burning engine can possibly destroy itself in the long run.

[maop99]

whoa, ghosthunter, dapat pala tanggalin na kaagad....what's lean burning pala hehehe

[pajerokid]

lean burn = too much air, not enough gas in AF mixture

[ghosthunter]

whoa, ghosthunter, dapat pala tanggalin na kaagad....what's lean burning pala hehehe

anyway, for further explanation regarding why lean burning is bad for your engine, just scan thru the earlier pages of this thread for the explanation (its there somewhere).

[Ischaramoochie]

optimal a/f ratios:


DENR Certification:


Emission Tests:




Department of Energy Test Results:


Automotive Research and Testing Center, Taiwan:


Marcos Evaluation:


Delta Motors Corp:


DPWH Testing:


Satisfied Clients:


Written Testimonials:




(MOD NOTE: POSTING OF YOUR TESTIS (TESTIMONIALS) ARE ENOUGH.POSTING BIG PICTURES OF YOU CHAOS...ERR..KHAOS TO ADVERTISE HERE IS A BIG NO NO NO NO.)

[BlueBimmer]

dami nyan a..

[cyberdoc95]

For a researcher's point of view, dapat kasi they have recorded the results of more subjects to make their claim more credible. Example, make it 1000 AUV's, 1000 cars, 1000 trucks, with comparable engines and mileage. With this method, they will ultimately see a clear picture of how this device works in the real world, and make these results as a marketing tool. And also, they should have let an independent research group evaluate this device.

I was wondering if this was the same device that the inventor refused to be evaluated by the US reseachers. I think I read in one of the threads but I must have been mistaken. If he submitted himself for an evaluation to prove his claim, then that would have made things easier for his sales.

[Freeman]

4x4ph forum topic on Khaos

Recent reply of fuelsaving.info (Tony of http://www.fuelsaving.info) to Freeman : (or see it's entirety by clicking the link above.)

(Freeman * Jan 20 2005, 06:25 PM)
However, the fact still remains that Tony's claims are also inconclusive - with regards to the Khaos device - as he has not done any actual testing on it nor has he lay an eye or finger on it. (Give me this Tony - I am stating a fact).

Indeed. Theoretical evaluation of the device, as well as its apparent similarity to devices that are known to be useless, strongly suggests that the Khaos is too. But agreed, that is not proof that it doesn't work.

(Freeman * Jan 20 2005, 06:25 PM)
The Khaos device, like the other fuel savings gadgets, rely on positive testimonials and vague explanations to sell their products rather than solid scientific data. This is Tony's crusade, and the beef of this gadgets critics. I appreciate where they are all coming from. Unless a competent independent third party conducts a test, the question whether this device really works will remain a question.

Well said, and congratulations on being one of the few people in this field who has rational beliefs. There are "fanatics" on both sides, and I verge on being one myself at times!

(Freeman * Jan 20 2005, 06:25 PM)
As a matter of fact johnqpublic and company, representing TUV Germany, had a conference with the inventor and his engineers not more than two months ago. They could not be satisfied with any explanation from Khaos' creator and makers on how the product actually reduced emissions and saved fuel. The talks did not progress to an actual test.

Well now, that is interesting...

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Khaos (or something like it) to really work. I'd like to save money on petrol myself! So Freeman, if either you or the Khaos guys want any help in planning a test or interpreting the results, get in touch!

Tony

[ghosthunter]

optimal a/f ratios:

LOL! The book is so old its yellowed and no mention about fuel injection.

It might be time to buy a new book.

DENR Certification:

This is just a testimonial. It does not prove anything about your device.

Emission Tests:

Where is the results for NOx emissions?

Automotive Research and Testing Center, Taiwan:

Ah! the infamous taiwan test.

Please note that the test was done only once. No before & after testing was done to check if the device actually did anything. Also note that the test results for emissions are at least three times more than the US-EPA standards for acceptable limits for automotive emissions.

Marcos Evaluation:

Yup, and in 1976 too!

I guess thats were the stolen wealth was spent on during the martial law years.

BTW, you might want to note that during 1976, carburated engines are high tech. But in 2005, fuel injection is the standard.

Delta Motors Corp:

Ano ito? High school thesis? Handwritten pa yung "results" graph.

DPWH Testing:

The year: 1997
The car: 1978 Nissan Datsun
The plate number: SAC-246

So in 1997, they tested the device on a 19 year old Nissan/Datsun (carb) government car. LOL! Even a tune-up would get more gains.

Satisfied Clients:
Written Testimonials:

This part reads like it came from "As Seen On TV" segments. Basically using testimonials from non-technically oriented people as "proof" that the device works as claimed.

[BlueBimmer]

omg pwnd! hehe

[Ischaramoochie]

LOL! The book is so old its yellowed and no mention about fuel injection.

It might be time to buy a new book.





This is just a testimonial. It does not prove anything about your device.





Where is the results for NOx emissions?





Ah! the infamous taiwan test.

Please note that the test was done only once. No before & after testing was done to check if the device actually did anything. Also note that the test results for emissions are at least three times more than the US-EPA standards for acceptable limits for automotive emissions.





Yup, and in 1976 too!

I guess thats were the stolen wealth was spent on during the martial law years.

BTW, you might want to note that during 1976, carburated engines are high tech. But in 2005, fuel injection is the standard.





Ano ito? High school thesis? Handwritten pa yung "results" graph.





The year: 1997
The car: 1978 Nissan Datsun
The plate number: SAC-246

So in 1997, they tested the device on a 19 year old Nissan/Datsun (carb) government car. LOL! Even a tune-up would get more gains.





This part reads like it came from "As Seen On TV" segments. Basically using testimonials from non-technically oriented people as "proof" that the device works as claimed.

1. EFI engines are essentially the same as carb engines. the only difference is that carbs use the venturi principle to introduce fuel while EFI engines use MAF sensors to control fuel supply. besides, have the variables changed over time? please offer some proof if that is the case.

2. a testimonial from DENR. are you sying that DENR should not be taken as an authority?


3. as far as i know, US standards for CO and HC are .5%; perhaps you are talking about NOx? even if NOx emission was increased by a fraction, this is more than compensated for by the increase in engine power, lessened CO and HC emissions, and higher fuel efficiency. this just shows that you can't have everything you want. if you want to eliminate pollution completely, i know of one device which can acieve that; it's called a bicycle.

now, do you have anything to present which proves that the device is ineffective, or does not live up to its claims, or are you simply content in making negative comments? don't blame me though, i'm just expecting more from you, seeing that you're a moderator.