E10 Ethanol, bad for your engine & economy? [MERGED]

[CVT]

Here are the various responses I received from the Big3 when I inquired last June. The only change which I am aware of is that Caltex has only e10 Silver now, vs. Silver and e10 Silver some months ago.

From: Valera, Aileen Fatima Blanco [mailto:abvalera*chevron.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:54 PM
To:
Cc: Engeler, Greg J
Subject: FW: Caltex Global Site Query
Importance: High

Hi .

Thank you for writing us. Just to give you a background, the Biofuels Act of 2006 signed into law on January 12, 2007 requires a 5% bioethanol-blend for gasoline within 2 years of the effectivity of the law. This translates to converting 50% of gasoline sales to E10. Within 4 years under the approval of the National Biofuels Board, the mandate will be increased to 10% or full conversion of conventional gasoline to E10.

For all Caltex stations, E10 pumps are properly identified with the E-gasoline pump label, which is required by the Department of Energy. The E-gasoline label states that "This E-gasoline contains 10% bioethanol. Generally recommended for fuel-injection engines".

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,
Aileen B. Valera
Product Engineering Specialist
Global Downstream Technology
Products Technology
Chevron Philippines Inc.
7F 6750 Ayala Avenue
Makati City, Philippines 1226
Tel +63 2 841 1607
Mobile +63 918 801 5252
abvalera*chevron.com
A Chevron Company

From: Gutierrez, Thea Marie T. [mailto:ttgutierrez*petron.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:17 PM
To: ContactUs
Subject: RE: Question On Your Gasoline Fuel Variants: E10-Blended Or Not?

Dear ,

In behalf of Petron Corporation, we wish to thank you for accessing our corporate website and for seeking clarification on the news items which you got from several motoring sites.

Our XCS and Blaze gasoline variants do not have ethanol. Our Xtra Unleaded e10 is the only gasoline product that is blended with 10% ethanol.
This is in compliance with the Biofuels Law that our government has implemented.


Should you have further queries please feel free to contact us anytime.
Thank you for your continued support and patronage of our products.

Thea Gutierrez
Petron Corporation

From: Chanda.Sierras*shell.com [mailto:Chanda.Sierras*shell.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:32 PM
To:
Cc: SCIP-Feedback-and-Concerns*shell.com
Subject: RE: Shell Reference: 9248469 FW: Question On Your Gasoline Fuel Variants: E10-Blended Or Not?



Hi ,



Thanks for your email.

Please be advised that VPower, Super Premium and Super Unleaded are now blended with 10% ethanol. This is in compliance with the Biofuels Law Act in which DOE mandates that a minimum of 10% blend of ethanol by volume into all gasoline fuel, distributed and sold by each and every oil company in the country.

Moreover, E10 is generally intended for fuel injected vehicles. We've tested this also in motorcycles and we haven't encountered any issues. But it is recommended to consult the vehicle manufacturer for further advise if you can use ethanol blended gasolines. We don't have such test. (I've attached FAQ's on E10)

In addition, regular unleaded is not yet blended with ethanol, but this is available in selected stations only and can be used in those engines with <81 RON requirement. By 2011, gov't may mandate the 10% ethanol blend in all gasolines.

Please let me know if I can assist you further. Thank you and have a nice day.



Regards,
Chanda

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[JackFlash]

CVT, thanks for your post. That clarifies a lot. So of all the gas companies, only Shell has infused all their variants w/ ethanol. I guess those w/ carb engines will have to avoid this co. for now.

People will go for or avoid E10 depending on personal experiences. But w/ the clean air act, pretty soon we'll all have to contend with it. Might as well ask your car dealer's customer service dept. if your can take in E10 and hope for the best.

E10, biofuels, clean air act. All are noble ideas to keep the environment healthy except that when I see smoke belching buses, jeeps and other pvt. vehicles, I get irked over the misplaced enforcement of the law. SIGH.

[Zeus]

Kala ko lahat ng gasolina ng Petron may halong E-10 na, yun pala XCS wala? ilan ba octane rating ng XCS? hindi daw kasi pwedeng E-10 at high octane ang Escape e, dati Petron extra unleaded lang ako, ok naman, tapos nanggugulo na mga E-10 na yan...napalipat ako sa Shell Super unleaded, may halong E-10 na rin ngayon

[mreyes]

guys,

may shell stations pa bang na nagbebenta ng regular unleaded? sabi kasi, selct stations lang. thanks.

[p_borj]

Kala ko lahat ng gasolina ng Petron may halong E-10 na, yun pala XCS wala? ilan ba octane rating ng XCS? hindi daw kasi pwedeng E-10 at high octane ang Escape e, dati Petron extra unleaded lang ako, ok naman, tapos nanggugulo na mga E-10 na yan...napalipat ako sa Shell Super unleaded, may halong E-10 na rin ngayon

matagal nang may halong E10 ang Shell.

So dapat sa iyo, Petron XCS or Caltex Gold muna.

[roberto_minosa]

E10, biofuels, clean air act. All are noble ideas to keep the environment healthy except that when I see smoke belching buses, jeeps and other pvt. vehicles, I get irked over the misplaced enforcement of the law. SIGH.

Not to mention an army of smoke-belching escort vehicles for the same politicians who passed the Clean Air Act.

Asar noh? Pag sumabog ang makina, walang magagawa ang gobyerno. Kawawa naman tayo.

[bennisiozo]

Not to mention an army of smoke-belching escort vehicles for the same politicians who passed the Clean Air Act.

Asar noh? Pag sumabog ang makina, walang magagawa ang gobyerno. Kawawa naman tayo.

paano naman sasabog ang makina? low power na nga ang E10!

[westp2y]

Nakakasira talaga ng makina ang E10 before wala problem makina ko ngayon palyado...

[H1Tman]

kala ko lahat ng gasolina ng petron may halong e-10 na, yun pala xcs wala? Ilan ba octane rating ng xcs? Hindi daw kasi pwedeng e-10 at high octane ang escape e, dati petron extra unleaded lang ako, ok naman, tapos nanggugulo na mga e-10 na yan...napalipat ako sa shell super unleaded, may halong e-10 na rin ngayon

xcs 95 ron

[p_borj]

Nakakasira talaga ng makina ang E10 before wala problem makina ko ngayon palyado...

true. mga wala pang 10 times akong nagpapakarga ng Php500 worth of E10 Unleaded eh ito ang naging effects sa 02 Mitsubishi Adventure GLX Gas ko.

- barubal ang takbo at humina hatak
- bad fuel consumption (parang ang bilis maubos lalo)

[bennisiozo]

true. mga wala pang 10 times akong nagpapakarga ng Php500 worth of E10 Unleaded eh ito ang naging effects sa 02 Mitsubishi Adventure GLX Gas ko.

- barubal ang takbo at humina hatak
- bad fuel consumption (parang ang bilis maubos lalo)

if you have read the whole thread sir, ethanol blended fuel has low power that you can squish to it compare to pure gasoline. so engine produce lesser power than usual and needs more reving to give the power you need. meaning more rev more gas.

[bok_yo]

if you have read the whole thread sir, ethanol blended fuel has low power that you can squish to it compare to pure gasoline. so engine produce lesser power than usual and needs more reving to give the power you need. meaning more rev more gas.

true. mga wala pang 10 times akong nagpapakarga ng Php500 worth of E10 Unleaded eh ito ang naging effects sa 02 Mitsubishi Adventure GLX Gas ko.

- barubal ang takbo at humina hatak
- bad fuel consumption (parang ang bilis maubos lalo)

does this confirm na hindi lang mga carb engines ang apektado ng e10 gas? e dapat sana nakasulat sa mga stickers sa mga gas stations ay ganito..."[SIZE="6"]E10 IS NOT INTENDED FOR ALL GAS ENGINES... FILL AT YOUR OWN RISK!"[/SIZE]

[p_borj]

does this confirm na hindi lang mga carb engines ang apektado ng e10 gas? e dapat sana nakasulat sa mga stickers sa mga gas stations ay ganito..."[SIZE=6]E10 IS NOT INTENDED FOR ALL GAS ENGINES... FILL AT YOUR OWN RISK!"[/SIZE]

+1 hehe.

sakaling napatunayan na deadly itong E10, ayun, naapektuhan na engines natin. ang ayaw ko eh paano na lalo yung mga bagong cars, like my Alto, nakalagay sa fuel cap at manual nito, "do not use ethanol blended gasoline" pero EFI ito take note.

[roberto_minosa]

Filled up with Petron XCS this morning. I think there's a slight difference in acceleration, and moderate difference in economy compared to Xtra E10. I didn't have to mash the accelerator as hard as I did with E10. But that could be psychological.

[p_borj]

Filled up with Petron XCS this morning. I think there's a slight difference in acceleration, and moderate difference in economy compared to Xtra E10. I didn't have to mash the accelerator as hard as I did with E10. But that could be psychological.

Possible nga na psychological. Alam kasi natin na pure gasoline ang pinakarga natin so parang nakatatak sa utak natin na lalakas na hatak ng rides natin.

Pero yung barubal na takbo ng ride ko sa E10, hindi psychological yun hehe.

[magister]

for our guidance, maybe we can compile a list of gasoline blends that are ethanol free:

WITHOUT ethanol

- Petron Blaze and XCS (confirmed by Petron CS)

WITH 10% ethanol

- Petron Xtra Unleaded, Regular Unleaded
- Shell V-Power, Super Premium, Super Unleaded (in other words, all Shell gas blends have ethanol)
- Caltex Silver

pa-complete na lang pls. thanks.

[badkuk]

*sigh* napa XCS tuloy ako last weekend :p

[_Cathy_]

I read in another post that E10 is not good for all efi engines. How do I know if mine is compatible with E10? I did a quick google search and I am not sure if the website where I got my information is reliable but it says there that only 2004 and up Toyota models are compatible with e10 except for 7KE and 1 RVE engines. My car is below 2004 so I am really concerned.

I've been using Shell Premium for more than 9 years already if it's true that E10 is bad for my car's engine, Shell just lost one loyal customer because I am switching to Petron and cancelling my Shell Citibank MC.

[ghosthunter]

From: http://www.flexfuelkit.com.au/articl...E10/Page1.html


For Toyota: the following is NOT compatible with E5 and E10 gasoline

Camry with carburettor engines pre July 1989
Corolla pre July 1994;
Supra - pre May 1993,
Cressida - pre Feb 1993,
Paseo - pre Aug 1995,
Starlet - pre July 1999,
Land Cruiser - pre Aug 1992,
Coaster - pre Jan 1993,
Dyna - pre May 1995,
Tarago - pre Oct 1996,
Hilux , Hiace, & 4 Runner - pre Aug 1997,
Townace - pre Dec 1998

All models NOT listed above are E5 & E10 compatible.

Note: these are for cars in Australia.

[kamotecueman]

for our guidance, maybe we can compile a list of gasoline blends that are ethanol free:

WITHOUT ethanol

- Petron Blaze and XCS (confirmed by Petron CS)

WITH 10% ethanol

- Petron Xtra Unleaded, Regular Unleaded
- Shell V-Power, Super Premium, Super Unleaded (in other words, all Shell gas blends have ethanol)
- Caltex Silver

pa-complete na lang pls. thanks.

sir totoo ba sinasabi mo na may ethanol na halo ang petron xtra unledead??ilang percent po??ksi wlang nkasulat na may e10 pla ang unleaded ngaun ng petron lgi ko po kinakarga yun sa revo ko...di pa naman pwede e 10 dun nabasa ko sa ibang website...sir need po answer mo asap..thanks