Devilsown Alcohol Injection Event Results

[4JGtootsie]

See you on May 31 bro!

[buhawi]

dvldoc,

Does the P9500 include installation or just the kit? In case it's only for the kit, how much would the installation cost? Thanks.

[mcbry]

Date has been changed to the 31st which is a Saturday to allow for more participation.

will the event be open for everybody?
is there a pre registration or fee to join the event?

thanks.

[dvldoc]

dvldoc,

Does the P9500 include installation or just the kit? In case it's only for the kit, how much would the installation cost? Thanks.

The kit is 9500P installation is I belive 2000P at speedlab, I will be installing on as many vehicles as we can do that day for no charge speedlab will be assisting as I will also be training there guys on the ends and outs of installing the kits.

The event is open to everyone, There will be a guest book to sign when you come.

Unfortuatly we have stopped the pre-orders for the kits through speedlab because they have already placed there order. But I will be bringing that order with me.

If you want to order though our site you can still do that and get the discount by entering the discount code: salamat which then I will bring with me to the event. Or mail it to you LBC is you cannot make it.

I can tell you know after this next event there will be a waiting list to get a kit. But I'm sure Speedlab and others will step up with larger orders to keep them in stock. The current order that just got there today is completly take up already.

[dvldoc]

Heres a good option for tanks if you want larger storage capacity, Remember the pump can pull from anywere in the vehicle so you can mount a tank in the rear of the vehicle.

These kinds of tanks sell at ace hardware fore under 200P come in 2 sizes one is 4L the other I belive 6L but you can find these just about anywere in different sizes.


Anouther slick option that some of our UK Guys use is a Military style plastic Jerry can which are 20L.




Just about any high density Poly tank will work. Do not use metal if your using methanol. But it is fine with Ethyl alcohol or Iso alcohol.

[dvldoc]

Customer comments on 1.9TDI VW over the last 2 weeks on his kit and Fuel economy changes and what set up worked best for him.

I installed my progressive stage 2 kit last night. I tried to drill into the curved rubber piece right before the manifold, but it was too thick to allow the nozzle to fit through it with enough threads left to screw in the supply line. I had the same problem with the plastic elbow before it.

Therefore, I went preturbo. I first installed the DO2 nozzle, which is 2 gallons per hour. It gave a small but noticable gain in power using windshield washer fluid. It worked best by having it come on fully at low boost, as 2gph isn't much. I recently switched to the DO4 nozzle and have gotten more gains in power. I can't say anything about mileage yet, as I haven't done anything but drive around town and go for short trips.

I have not heard any quenching so far, even ramping up the pressure pretty quickly with the 4 gallon per hour nozzle.

I don't have an EGT gauge, so I don't know about EGT's.

I think I will drive around for a couple of days and then check the intercooler to make sure there isn't water puddling up in there.

This is a pretty fun kit. I'll check on my turbo's blades in the future too, as they are in very good shape now, and any erosion will likely be from the preturbo injection, if there ever is any. I think the 2gph nozzle is the max recommended if running preturbo, so I'll keep an eye on it at 4gph.

I'll let you know how mileage does as I drive it more.

have an AEM dry cone filter in my car, so I mounted the pump right next to the filter inside the bottom half of the airbox.

I am using tap water that has gone through a water softener and a Britta filter. I read elsewhere that it should be fine that way, so I guess we'll see about that one too.

The car still feels strong. I turned the injection start up to 5psi, which helped a lot with the consumption. I drove fairly hard yesterday for about a 14 mile trip, got 50 mpg, and used only about one liter of water, maybe a little less. If I had stayed out of the boost more, it would have been even less water used. The car seems stronger than it did a few days ago even with the water turned off (just not as good as with it on, of course).

Nicklockard, I'll try to log the MAF actual vs requested tonight. Sometimes when I unhook my ScanGaugeII to use the Vag Com, the ScanGaugeII resets itself to default conditions and loses all of its stored information. Other times, it's fine. Does anyone know how to prevent that? __________________
RC2/3, PP520's, VR6 clutch and flywheel, Dawes device, boost gauge, mufflerectomy, ventectomy, Bilstein HD's, Vag Com, ScanGaugeII, GHL downpipe, DevilsOwn water/methanol injection Stage 2

I have found that changing the start of injection has an enormous effect on rate of consumption. If I keep the start at about 5psi, so it doesn't come on very often during cruise, the 3L tank will last two or three hundred miles or so. If I have it inject a little during cruise, it will be gone after 35 miles, so I keep set it a little higher. A 5.5L tank would be a nice addition.

Water/methanol injection really does work. My car is definitely quicker than it was before it was installed. In the trip where I got over 70 mpg, it proved that it's supplying the engine with an additional fuel. It's not just about cooling the intake for the gains.

I think it cleaned the engine too. My car will pull smoothly from very low revs in the higher gears now if I slowly ease into the accelerator. It used to shake a bit, prompting a downshift. It's quicker and smoother, even off boost.

I moved the injection from pre-turbo to the rubber elbow right before the intake in preparation for the two-nozzle setup that I have coming on Monday. It makes good power injected this way too (maybe better than pre-turbo), but I'm going to do both.

Filling up the car today, I got 52 mpg for the last tank. That's well above the average for me, which is around 47. I didn't drive slowly on this tank, either, as I was always playing with the additional power.

If you're thinking about it, just try it. It's fun.

I switched just today to the twin nozzle setup. I am running a 1gph nozzle in the upper intake pipe preturbo, and I have a 2gph nozzle in the rubber elbow right before the manifold.

The turbo spools quicker this way than it did with a 4gph nozzle near the manifold and nothing preturbo. I also just got 62mpg on my 30-mile drive home from work.

Bottom line went from 47mpg to 62mpg not to shabby.

[4JGtootsie]

Mcbry,

Punta ka bro, i will be there to assist Bilal a.k.a Devildoc. Installed it on the trooper last year, you might be interested on the set up.

Bilal,

I will be bringing a new Mityvac pressure/vacuum pump to set/reset some rides.

To everyone who is interested or curious about this product. Yesterday I did a run from QC to Bayombong Nueva Vizcaya. Acceleration was super, overtaking was less dangerous especially the long trailers along Dalton(Tirad? basta papunta NV). Me and my co-worker/pilot who is also from Central Diesel monitored EGT and TURBO BOOST throughout the run.
We maintained 700F exhaust gas temp and sometimes a little over but for very short time only. I highly recommend a on/off switch for two reasons first is to control WM consumption to where its needed( gruelling mountain accent/ 3 car/bus/trailer or truck overtaking. the second is to remove power to the pump if you sense(this will be obvious if you have EGT guage) that you have run out of WM. EGT shoots rapidly when climbing a long up slope road.

For the price, performance, value for money, benefits to the engine and emmission. This is a no brainer WINNER!!!

[dvldoc]

I highly recommend a larger rear mounted tank for diesels, They are very cheap at most places. Ace hardware has some ones that are perfect one is 4.5L i believe for 166P. The larger one is less than 200P. The good thing about these units is the recessed center where you can mount the nozzle tap fitting and it is safely out of the way from anything in the rear of the vehicle.

And can be strapped down with on metal or nylon strap.

I'll have a new dyno to post up later today. A Izusu Pickup just did one yesterday at speedlab.

[dvldoc]

Dyno from yesterday, Nice gains heck of a improvement from stock.

2000rpms 11.4hp 29.9 lbsTQ
2500rpms 9.5hp 17.4 lbsTQ
3000rpms 15.6HP 27 lbsTQ
3500rpms 18.2HP 26 lbsTQ
4000rpms 18.2HP 23 lbsTQ
4500rpms 28.2hp 32 lbsTQ

[dvldoc]

This even on the 31st is a catered event so we are trying to get a ideal of how many people are coming speedlab also has limited parking so we have to prepare for a overflow parking area if needed.

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[dvldoc]

A little fun with the alcohol injection. Yeah you can run vodka, gin ect works just the same but kind of pricey lol

He is only running a 3GPH nozzle were going to fit it with a D04 nozzle for the next dyno. It just goes to show you can run as little or at the max to get the best between power and water alcohol consumption. Should be able to bump these numbers up another 10% to 15% with the DO4 nozzle

RPMS BASE 30/70 BRANDY 50/50 MAX GAIN
1500 55 65.4 65.1 64.2 10hp
2000 105.3 111.4 112.1 109.3 6.8hp
2500 119.5 130 128.7 125 10.5 hp
3000 122.3 134.2 135.3 130.3 13.3
3500 120.7 136.6 127.4 128.1 15.9
4000 108 126.7 127.4 121.2 19.4hp

Torque
RPM BASE BRANDY GAIN
1500 194.3 227.9 33 LBS
2000 276.5 294.4 17 LBS
2500 251 270.4 19.4 LBS
3000 214.1 236.9 22 LBS
3500 181.1 206 24 LBS
4000 141.8 167.3 25.5

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Re: Devilsown Alcohol Injection Event Results
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[ghosthunter]

Question: for those who will have their injection kits installed, do they need to bring a water container? (jerry can, etc) Or will the installation use the windshield wiper bottle?

[dvldoc]

Question: for those who will have their injection kits installed, do they need to bring a water container? (jerry can, etc) Or will the installation use the windshield wiper bottle?

If you don't want to use the stock washer fluid tank, which i would not, You should bring in a larger tank, can ect to mount in another area, There are also lots of surplus tanks from other vehicles to use. The Ford ranger has a nice 4 quart tank in it. Autopart stores might carry universal tanks as well. I say get at least a 3L to 4L TANK.

[ghosthunter]

thanks!