Devilsown Alcohol Injection Event Results

[dvldoc]

A 16 second Crosswind? That's the turbocharged one? Did you guys tweak the boost any, or is that just with the kit?

Definitely interesting... I'll wait for results from Speedlab... too bad I couldn't be there today...

No boost modifications were done, It's the pre-turbo injection that gives you the extra boost especially down low. All vehicle tested were just the kit and no other changes.

[dvldoc]

Interesting results! :cool01:

Any tests for N/A gasoline vehicles?


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[dvldoc]

DYNO DYNO DYNO

Just got back from speedlab in Manila and we put a 2001 Starex 2.8l turbo diesel on the rollers that has the alcohol injection kit installed.

This vehicle is bone stock no modifications but a cold air intake. No boost controllers.

Guess what folks this is done with the factory intercooler completely by- passed. The top mount is completely worthless in this climate and the heavy traffic. So we just eliminated it

This is his set up, We completely ditched the factory intercooler, There is a DO1 nozzle pre turbo which you can see from the charts the resutls of the instant spooling it provides even with 100% water the TQ off the line is impressive and a DO2 nozzle at the intake to further cool things down. Now a M3 nozzle at the intake would work just as well on most vehicles but this one struggled to make boost so we did pre-turbo which makes the little turbo act like a big one.

We did pulls with 30/70 methanol/water and then switch over to 50/50 denatured because the meth was already mixed at 30% gains probably would have been even greater with the methanol.

Note the mixture was 30/70 methanol/water if it is not stated on the dyno sheet. The other mix we use was 62P bottle of Ethly alcohol from the drug store 500ml and 500ml water for the 50/50 mix. The gains were huge

System activates at around 1400rpm on this 2001 Starex

BASE LINE VS 100% WATER


Note 30lbs or around 40nm tq that you have at activation of the system even with 100% water vs the stock. This is the pre-turbo injection benifit. Little turbo acting like a bigger more efficient turbo.


Here is a comparison of different activation points with 30/70 methanol water.

[dvldoc]

TQ numbers
Notice the 50lbs or 67nm improvement at 1500rpms and 38lbs or 51nm at 2500rpms.

[dvldoc]

This is were we change it up to 50/50 mix, The methanol was already pre-mixed so we had to go with ethyl alcohol which I bought for 62P in a 500ml bottle. Gains will be higher with methanol because it has a higher octane number and better cooling.




Once again 50lbs more TQ AT 1500rpm the turbo spools up instantly when the system starts to inject. The effect is instant torque at low RPM's.

Stock TQ was only 163lbs or 221nm we took it to 201.2ft or 272.8nm with less than 70 Pesos worth of solution.




So does everything work exactly as advertised well you be your own judge

The emissions shop we went to did not have the detailed print out but this is what we got. The scanned copies will be posted later he needs to black out his personal info.

Stock no injection on
Opacimeter test result 2.29

Alcohol injection on
Opacimeter test results 0.52

Does it reduce emissions you bet it does. Plus doing the dyno we pretty much blew every bit of carbon out of that motor. There is no longer any black smoke from the Starex under load.

So now that you know you have hard proof of the performance gains and how much better it is for your vehicle and the major reduction in emissions hopefully more people will try it. It's like getting a new engine not to mention the fuel you save. The kits pay for themselves in every way.

Speedlab is now a official dealer and will have kits in stock in a few weeks.

[mazdamazda]

N/A gas engines can expect around 10% more power and a noticeable improvement in top end power.

Hmmm... this is interesting. Just waiting for a guinea pig and dyno sheets for a NA gas engined vehicle.

:cool01:


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[shanejc]

the dyno test results proved the worthy inclusion of alcohol injection system in your engine bay. Here are the results of the emission test with and without alcohol injection:

[niky]

I'm sold! The emissions benefits alone seem worth it.

I just need to figure out when I'll get the budget to do this on our Crosswind...

[raquino]

did you say 2.8L tci starex? the starexes here are 2.5L turbo or tci and a 2.6L non-turbo. anyway, was there a comparison on the dyno between the original intercooled turbo and the alcohol injected one without intercooler? how much difference in power and torque noted? just want to know if if there's an increase in power with the alcohol injected one from the tci engine of the starex. how much would your product probably cost at speedlab?

[dvldoc]

did you say 2.8L tci starex? the starexes here are 2.5L turbo or tci and a 2.6L non-turbo. anyway, was there a comparison on the dyno between the original intercooled turbo and the alcohol injected one without intercooler? how much difference in power and torque noted? just want to know if if there's an increase in power with the alcohol injected one from the tci engine of the starex. how much would your product probably cost at speedlab?

Thats a type o on engine size

We did not bother with testing the vehicle with the intercooler because it defeats alot of the pre-turbo injection because it heats the air right back up. but the dyno had a file that had typical starex saved on it and it was actually a little bit lower than what we got without the intercooler. The power gain would be close if you did the injection right after the intercooler.

You would loose a small amount of HP due to the turbo having to work harder and the pressure loss you get through the intercooler. Running 50/50 methanol your numbers are going to be close to the same. The hp difference is probably less than 5%. Intercoolers are easily bypassed with a 45 degree connector.



Your turbo will still spool faster as soon as the alcohol comes on because of the intake temp drop, You just get a little bit more of a bump from the pre-turbo.

Kits will probably run at about 10,000P we sell them for $220USD in the states.

Heres how the intercooler was bypassed, Even when not in use it is still burning hot.


Here's the starex on the rollers.


Note the engine temp even after 6 pulls on the dyno.

[dvldoc]

Want more proof of emission reductions, Heres the starex on the 6th pull on the dyno with the 50/50 mix we pretty much cleaned this motor out on the first sets of run. We ran out of alcohol on the 4th pull probably lost a little power at the end and as soon as it happened the black smoke came back almost instantly. We were all wondering why the vehicle was smoking so bad.

Then I looked at the tank. Guys were out of juice

I think this proved the point even better than the emission printouts and you know this company does not make any false claims.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wGcJ94wtQ0"]YouTube - STAREX DYNO ALCOHOL INJECTION[/ame]

[ooba99]

Looks like we have a winner here.

So, how much will my total cash lay-out to have this fitted in my 2003 Isuzu Crosswind XUV?

Is the alcohol injection kit transferrable to another diesel engine vehicle?

[dvldoc]

Looks like we have a winner here.

So, how much will my total cash lay-out to have this fitted in my 2003 Isuzu Crosswind XUV?

Is the alcohol injection kit to another diesel engine vehicle?

You would have to check with speedlab on the install fee, but the crosswind is super easy to put a kit on even with minor mechanic skills.

You would be looking at probably 3 hours labor charge most likely.

Yes you can remove and install on different vehicle at any time, Very easy to remove and does not leave much of a imprint when gone.

This is the best modification for the money period for any turbo diesel vehicle. The performance and price cannot be touched by anything offered in the Philippines.

If you can get gains this big on vehicles that make this power just imagine what newer more powerful engines will gain.

[dvldoc]

Bottom line the Starex picked up 18% more HP and 23.5% more torque will reducing emissions over 70% and this is with the intercooler bypassed and not in use.

He will be posting some more opinions on the kit once he gets a chance to get out of the heavy traffic of manila. The other guys manila and down in Cebu and Zambo also have there kits that I'm sure we will hear some great results.
I believe the vehicles are 2 crosswinds, trooper, and a MPV.

[ghosthunter]

I'm sold! The emissions benefits alone seem worth it.

I just need to figure out when I'll get the budget to do this on our Crosswind...

You sure it's going to the crosswind and not into your Lynx RS? :drunk:

[ghosthunter]

Hmmm... this is interesting. Just waiting for a guinea pig and dyno sheets for a NA gas engined vehicle.

hmmm, same here. Sounds like an interesting "mod" for my sentra.

a possible gain of 10% of 139whp. :cool01:

[niky]

You sure it's going to the crosswind and not into your Lynx RS? :drunk:

I've said this in our conversation over text... but I'll put it out in public... no moolah... once I get the Lynx back, it stays as it is till we start doing brake pad testing for Run-Stop.

But with the increasing Nazi-ishness of Makati's sniffer boys, I think this will be a worthy mod for the Crosswind... and worth the expense.

And it doesn't hurt that it makes power, too...

[srbogoy]

very much satisfied of the devils own h20/meth injection system on my 2005 isuzu dmax,,,at first test run i use only pure distilled water then,
using 50/50 mixture of ethyl alcohol,,,many tnx dvldoc..
the plastic container am using is a 5 ltrs petrol tank of Stihl chain saw..

[Drave]

Sir dvldoc,

If you keep the whole system on, how many kms do you think 1 liter of the 50:50 ethyl alc/distilled water mixture can run, let's say, highway driving, or even mixed city/hwy?

I'm asking this just to estimate the need for refills if I have a 5 liter container for the mixture.

Thanks

[dvldoc]

Sir dvldoc,

If you keep the whole system on, how many kms do you think 1 liter of the 50:50 ethyl alc/distilled water mixture can run, let's say, highway driving, or even mixed city/hwy?

I'm asking this just to estimate the need for refills if I have a 5 liter container for the mixture.

Thanks

That all depends on your set point (boost pressure) and how often your at that point and your nozzle size. But a 5 litter tank should easily last 2 tanks of fuel before refills

I would would actually mount the pressure switch in the cab if given the chance so you can change the settings for different driving styles. Say if your on the highway you only need the system for acceleration and passing so you do not want it activating in your normal cruising speed of say 80kph.
for example or 1600rpms. That or a toggle switch to turn off when you don't need to use it.

Also you don't need max power all the time if I would go with a lesser mix like 20% you still get plenty of low end power and a strong top end. Water is cheap and so is ethyl alcohol which seems will be the easiest to get since Methanol is considered controlled in many locations in the PI.

At 50P to 60P for 500ml it can be mixed up pretty easy and cheap. Try to avoid iso alcohol, it has far less octane and cooling properties.