1.6 Civic VTi versus 1.6 Altis

**A121** · January 9th, 2006 06:09 PM

wait.. will toyota be releasing a new bodied corolla this year? ang ganda kasi nung bagong honda civic 06.

OT:

Originally Posted by pogi23

[SIZE=5]1.6 Civic VTi versus 1.6 Altis[/SIZE]<=== AYAN ANG TOPIC!!!, MALABO BA MATA NYO???

tol gutom lang yan!

kain muna nito

**niky** · January 9th, 2006 06:11 PM

There's talk of a facelift in the other thread, but I'm not sure if they're bringing it here.

**squala** · January 9th, 2006 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by niky

AT lang ang 1.8, AFAIK. If they brought in the manual, it could go even further on the gas. The 1.8 is a good engine, if not exactly as powerful as Toyota claims it to be... in C!'s latest 0-100 kph test, it could only do 0-100 in 11.2 seconds. The supposedly weaker Sentra 180GT and Lancer 1.8 MX both did it in under 11. Other "135" to "140" HP cars like the Lynx RS AT (in Taiwan), the Mazda3 2.0R, and the Focus do it in around 9 and a half.

The Honda has been tested to do it under 9, but that's 155hp. The Lynx RS MT does it in 8.3.

Again, the 1.8 G Altis engine is really smooth and good at fuel conservation, but it's not 145hp. More like 120.

I never thought the Sentra and Lancer 1.8 can outrun the Altis 1.8. The Lancer may have the most advanced gearbox but I used to think its engine is weaker. How did C! test it anyway? I remember in their previous 1.6 comparisons that some cars had exactly the same 0-100 time (as in to the hundredths). Now is that possible?

Originally Posted by pogi23

1.6 Civic VTi versus 1.6 Altis<=== AYAN ANG TOPIC!!!, MALABO BA MATA NYO???

Better check yours first having given yourself that handle.

**dragon21** · January 9th, 2006 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by squala

Those are remarkable mileage figures. Now what about the Altis 1.6 automatic?

8-10 kms/l. mixed drive (Makati to Laguna). Aircon-on. Light foot.

Originally Posted by an0nim0us

I've limited experience with the 1.6 Altis but it's smoothness and torque delivery is similar to that of the 1.8's.

I agree. Toyota's 1.6E has better torque distribution translating to very smooth movement from stop to go, even when compared to Civic 2.0. But the CVT (1.5) though, is much smoother than Toyota's during shifting, although the former feels sluggish at 1k RPM to 2.5 k RPM. The car suddenly comes alive at 3k RPM. I've only driven a 1.8 Altis once, but I think 1.8 is a lot smoother than the 1.6.

The Civic 2.0 is also sluggish at low RPMs, acceleration from 120-140 kph is better when compared to its acceleration from 40-60 kph. VTEC perhaps kicking in... Grabe lang talaga sa gasolina, halos kalalabas ko pa lang ng subdivision, isang litro na kaagad...

Toyota is indeed an excellent, practical family car.

**kurt** · January 10th, 2006 12:19 PM

ok so both the altis and the civic are good performing cars,

but can their owners advise, which car do you think has the lower price for service/parts (when using casa service) and easier to maintain (after the warranty has expired and you are free to try other shops). advice the price of the typical 5k or 10k(for honda i think) PMS.

and can you give details in your period of ownership, what major part/s brokedown e.g waterpump or power steering unit and others, can these be claimed against the warranty?

we are interested in another 1.6 AT car since we will be retiring our 10yr old corolla and will soon visit the showrooms but ito research muna sa tsikot.com.

it seems for me the Altis 1.6E AT is the "safer" choice but even if the civic VTi-S_AT costs about php27k more, you get more standard items like foglamps, rear disc brakes, opitron gauges, abs-ba plus ebd also, 15" mags.

thank you

**orly_andico** · January 10th, 2006 12:57 PM

the altis E does have ABS too.. and dual airbags.. and climate control (single zone). my former boss got rid of his (at the time) 5-year old EK civic and got an altis G. apparently there is a widespread belief na mas mahal mag-maintain ng civic.

**dragon21** · January 10th, 2006 01:02 PM

PMS for Civic 2.0 AT / 10,000 kms (P5,000-7,000) Two years on March, not a single major part has been replaced, except battery. 8,000+ kms already. Fully Synth oil. Casa maintained, acquired brand new * Honda Kalookan. Inclusive of rustproofing.

PMS for Altis 1.6 AT / 5,000 kms (P2500-P3500). Three years already with me, one year with the original owner, 12,000+ kms. already. not a single major part has been replaced except battery. Casa-maintained as well (P. Tamo). Acquired 2nd hand. Excluding rustproofing.

PMS for City 1.5 AT / 10,000 kms (P4000-P7000). One and a half years already with me, 33,000+ kms. already. not a single major part has been replaced. Even the 8 spark plugs are still unreplaced. Casa-maintained as well * Honda Kalookan. Acquired brand new. Inclusive of rustproofing.

**niky** · January 10th, 2006 01:14 PM

My cousin has a 2001 1.6 AT Altis. Same thing... battery lang napalitan so far.

SORRY TO THE OTHER GUYS FOR CONTINUING THIS SIDE DISCUSSION, hehe...

Originally Posted by squala

I never thought the Sentra and Lancer 1.8 can outrun the Altis 1.8. The Lancer may have the most advanced gearbox but I used to think its engine is weaker. How did C! test it anyway? I remember in their previous 1.6 comparisons that some cars had exactly the same 0-100 time (as in to the hundredths). Now is that possible?

I have had my doubts regarding C! Magazine's times over the past few years, as some of them seem slow... regarding that old 1.6 test, I remember that. Typo yata. (the typesetter who does the data boxes kept messing up... all the time... now he only messes up occassionally)

Take into account that these are all ATs, the discrepancy should be small. I'm not surprised that the Mitsu is quicker, because it's CVT.

The Nissan and Altis should, given the same testing conditions get exactly the same times. Both are rated at 126 hp in the US, despite being rated at 145 (Corolla) and 130 (Sentra) here... and guess what? There's very little difference between them in C!'s testing... meaning they're still both 126 hp, no matter what the manufacturers claim... and that means the Mitsubishi is likely around 120hp... the CVT should be almost as efficient as a manual.

**kurt** · January 10th, 2006 01:52 PM

dragon21,

it looks like their cost of ownership is also about the same .

as a group (toyota vs honda) how about their aftersales service people, which do you consider better trained and more considerate of the customers/car owners. i know honda has 2 major dealers, ayala and yuchengco. for toyota, maybe the metrobank owned casas like in sanfernando, are better.

maybe in your experience as owner of both brands, which casa of theirs' has been the best in terms of quality service and just simply being helpful especially when/if you encounter problems.

my point in asking information is; as any car owner whould want it.

we want a new car that will run good/great for a milllion kilometers without major breakdowns. and in case there was a part malfunction, sana the manufacturer will act correctly and bring the car back in tip-top shape or replace it without hassles (true customer service). we have no issues about the requirements for the maintenance of the car, but it will be nice if we get the one that is easier/lower costs to maintain vs the others.

hehhe, pinahaba ko lang. alam ko ito ang intent ng poll na ito.

thanks