1.6 Civic VTi versus 1.6 Altis

**finchy18** · January 1st, 2006 03:08 PM

ganda pala ng engine noh?

**basti08** · January 1st, 2006 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by niky

Wow... 6-8? That's about as bad as the CRV 2.0 AT! Most of us FCP members with the Lynx RS get between 8-9 in traffic. Worst I've gotten is 6, but that was in a three hour trip/traffic jam into and out of Tutuban during the weekend. The Achilles heel of the RS is the highway. 11 is the best I've gotten because fifth gear is very very short.

Ibang klase talaga ang AT. Honda really should offer the K20 with a good manual instead, if they can't put a CVT on it yet.

As for the Gran Turismo comparison, it's really hard to launch an FF car in GT4 properly, but in real life, word is the CVT is smooth and efficient enough to make it almost as fast or faster than the manual. IMHO, the next gen 1.8 Civics ought to get the CVT, it's really an amazing transmission.
As for driving feel, I find both cars to be decent and very liveable cars to ride in, but neither can compare with the driving feel of the Lynx or the Mazda3/Focus. I'm hoping they get the driving feel back with the next Civic, though, as it's coming out in time for me to seriously consider purchasing it over a City.

quoted from Autoweek:

2006 Honda Civic Ex-Navi Coupe
Also Featured: 2006 Land Rover Range Rover Sport HSE, 2006 Lincoln Zephyr

AutoWeek | Published 12/19/05, 11:55 am et
AT A GLANCE:
2006 Honda Civic EX-NAVI Coupe
DATE IN FLEET: Nov. 21-Dec. 1
AS-TESTED PRICE: $21,360
POWERTRAIN: 1.8-liter I4; fwd, five-speed automatic
OUTPUT: 140 hp * 6300 rpm, 128 lb-ft * 4300 rpm
CURB WEIGHT: 2767 lbs
FUEL MILAGE (EPA COMBINED/AW OBSERVED): 33.8 mpg/28.7 mpg

...i heard that we'll be getting the 1.8L as the low-line VTi/VTi-S models
and the current 2.0L in the Civic as topline engine.
so, i bet still no CVT but a 5speed AT across the board.

**squala** · January 2nd, 2006 01:12 AM

Too bad we don't get the USDM look, but at least the technology is promising.

**orly_andico** · January 2nd, 2006 10:52 AM

13-14km/L highway for an altis 1.8G seems just about right. is that an auto or a manual?
got back from baguio over the weekend, 11km/L (going up) and 12km/L (coming down). 2.0L manual, decade-old engine

**an0nim0us** · January 2nd, 2006 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by squala

2ZZ-FE ata yung 1.6 engine ng Altis, then yung sa Celica 1ZZ-GE. Same engine din ito sa Martix, Corolla XRS at Lotus Elise.

OT yata pero heto po ang alam ko sa mga current Toyota Engines:

1zz fe ('izzy') 1.8L has a VVT-i (FE) head, 2wd rav4, 1.8g and 1.8e altis and Celica (US). This is the low HP, high torque engine - excellent for daily driving and fuel economy.

2zz ge ('duzzy') 1.8L has a VVTL-i (GE) head, USDM - Corolla XRS, Celica, Lotus Elise. no locally available car here has this engine. This is the high HP, hi-rpm engine, redlines at 8,300rpm to unleash the 170/180 ponies from the stock configuration.

3zz fe 1.6L has VVT-i (FE) head, 1.6J 1.6E Altis, Configuration is similar to the izzy.

BTW - 1.8G gives about 8-10 km/L City and 13-15 km/l hiway. high range with heavy speaker box and 15in rims, low range uses 17in rims. with some hard overtaking and some O.D. while doing so = )

Some more info - http://www.toysport.com/Technical%20...tech_notes.htm

**squala** · January 8th, 2006 03:50 PM

Sayang naman they didn't come up with a 1.6 GE head. The Blacktop, if I'm not mistaken, was the best mass-produced high-powered 1.6. I really wish they improve on it even more.

**orly_andico** · January 9th, 2006 01:23 PM

is that a manual or an auto? forgive my ignorance, is there even a manual 1.8G?

**niky** · January 9th, 2006 02:24 PM

AT lang ang 1.8, AFAIK. If they brought in the manual, it could go even further on the gas. The 1.8 is a good engine, if not exactly as powerful as Toyota claims it to be... in C!'s latest 0-100 kph test, it could only do 0-100 in 11.2 seconds. The supposedly weaker Sentra 180GT and Lancer 1.8 MX both did it in under 11. Other "135" to "140" HP cars like the Lynx RS AT (in Taiwan), the Mazda3 2.0R, and the Focus do it in around 9 and a half.

The Honda has been tested to do it under 9, but that's 155hp. The Lynx RS MT does it in 8.3.

Again, the 1.8 G Altis engine is really smooth and good at fuel conservation, but it's not 145hp. More like 120.

**an0nim0us** · January 9th, 2006 03:26 PM

^^^ yup, that's right, it's a/t. I've no first hand experience as to how fast it can be in the 0-100, but it's able i'm tellin' you guys, at least for everyday driving. I think the 1.8 izzy's 145 hp is overrated, 120hp's a bit underrated tho. I've seen specs from other countries putting it at around 135. WHP's another story.

My daily drive is the Altis and switching to the Lynx (1.6) on coding days' a disappointing experience for me in terms of smoothness, comfort and accelleration when overtaking. Civic's not far ahead of the Lynx except for the better a/c and roomier interior. I'm comparing the 1.6 lynx and the 1.6 civic to a 1.8G so it might not be a fair deal. I've limited experience with the 1.6 Altis but it's smoothness and torque delivery is similar to that of the 1.8's. Apple to apple, I'd still go for the Altis = ) hey, I'm a daddy now and I dont go for fast cars anymore hehehe.