1.6 Civic VTi versus 1.6 Altis

**an0nim0us** · January 10th, 2006 02:03 PM

OK naman pareho Honda and Toyota dealerships, but of course some may have better service than the other. But by experience, It's almost always mas mahaba ang pila sa Toyota. Cost, mas mura sa Toyota, First time Toyota owner and mas mura yung mga accessories nila than the Honda's. Parts, not sure kasi la pa kong pinaparepair so far (wag naman sana muna hehe)

**dragon21** · January 10th, 2006 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by kurt

dragon21,

it looks like their cost of ownership is also about the same .

as a group (toyota vs honda) how about their aftersales service people, which do you consider better trained and more considerate of the customers/car owners. i know honda has 2 major dealers, ayala and yuchengco. for toyota, maybe the metrobank owned casas like in sanfernando, are better.

maybe in your experience as owner of both brands, which casa of theirs' has been the best in terms of quality service and just simply being helpful especially when/if you encounter problems.

I live in Laguna but both of my Honda are maintained by Honda Kalookan, 62 kilometers away from home. Suffice to say that I feel that the trip to HondaKal is worth the EDSA traffic. ;)

HondaKal constantly gives an update, and is quick to rectify whatever complaints I have. And I'm quite a nitpicker. Their employees NEVER accept any form of a tip. After a service, count two weeks and chances are, one of their customer service rep will call on you and ask if you're satisfied. They're a bit more expensive as to labor, but if you go around sa work area nila, I think parang mas maingat silang magtrabaho, hindi bara-bara. Madaling kausap mga SA.

My gripe? walang magaganda chicks doon, maski sa sales he he he.
Anyway, some complaints are minor, I once complained that whenever I get my car back laging naka-on ang aircon to the max, nakatodo volume ng radio, at maraming greasy thumbmarks all over the interior. Since the complaint, nabawasan lahat. half na lang ang aircon and volume, konti na lang thumbmarks, at kilala na rin mga kotse ko doon

I've had less than satisfactory experience with Honda Shaw, since then, I've stuck to the Yuchengco's. An ordinary oil change once took Honda Shaw 2 1/2 day, after three follow-ups, (marami masyado raw trabaho.)

Two thumbs up for Honda Kalookan.

Ok naman Toyota P.Tamo. Service is quick. SAs are professional but lacks the more personal HondaKal style of dealing with customers. No complaints except that nawala minsan 'yung isang tire valve cap ko doon, and a friend has lost a Vios' antenna there after a PMS. She never recovered it dahil napuna nya na lang on the way home na siya, and Toyota refused to acknowledge their responsibility.

I hope that this will be of help...

**theveed** · January 10th, 2006 02:53 PM

Hmm, I drove my brother-in-law's 1.8E Altis last month sa Batangas, both sa national road and Star toll, parang hirap and bagal nya sa hatak esp during overtaking if the car is around 80-100kph? Kahit naka off yung ECT bagal nya compared to my car (although 2.0 yun)...

Ingay nya at WOT...

**jedimaster** · January 10th, 2006 05:56 PM

If you intend to keep your car for a long time, then you can't go wrong with a Toyota. Affordable maintenance and very dependable. Pati yata Shoemart may spareparts for it. Yun Honda very pretentious. High maintenance, expensive parts, poor casa service, after sales, etc. You would think you own a German sedan maintaining a Honda di naman quality. Mang Pido can do major repairs for your Toyota.

It's just like buying a cellphone. Either you get a common, easy to use, cheap to maintain Nokia or a snooty, high-tech, hard to use Ericsson or Samsung. Yun Nokia may charger kahit sa kalye while yun Ericsson wala. If you want a dependable car, get a Toyota. If you just want to be different, get a Honda.

**ILuvDetailing** · January 10th, 2006 06:01 PM

If you intend to keep your car for a long time, then you can't go wrong with a Toyota.

OT: I wonder what the Innova owners would say abou this....

back to the topic, veed tuned for fuel economy yung Altis, sabi din ng friend ko medyo mahina umarangkada pag mga 80kph... it doesn't feel like a "145HP".

**niky** · January 10th, 2006 06:16 PM

Kagaya nga ng sinabi ko, mga 126hp lang siya. It gets 0-100 kph around 11s, and that's similar to other 1.8 liter compacts, which mostly have 120-126 hp.

Ang 0-100 ng 140 hp AT should be near 10 flat or under.

**squala** · January 11th, 2006 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by niky

My cousin has a 2001 1.6 AT Altis. Same thing... battery lang napalitan so far.

SORRY TO THE OTHER GUYS FOR CONTINUING THIS SIDE DISCUSSION, hehe...

I have had my doubts regarding C! Magazine's times over the past few years, as some of them seem slow... regarding that old 1.6 test, I remember that. Typo yata. (the typesetter who does the data boxes kept messing up... all the time... now he only messes up occassionally)

Take into account that these are all ATs, the discrepancy should be small. I'm not surprised that the Mitsu is quicker, because it's CVT.

The Nissan and Altis should, given the same testing conditions get exactly the same times. Both are rated at 126 hp in the US, despite being rated at 145 (Corolla) and 130 (Sentra) here... and guess what? There's very little difference between them in C!'s testing... meaning they're still both 126 hp, no matter what the manufacturers claim... and that means the Mitsubishi is likely around 120hp... the CVT should be almost as efficient as a manual.

1 solution for that typist: BE FIRED!

So the Lancer 1.8 did better, eh? Well, too bad only a few are enjoying it.

**Canwe?** · January 11th, 2006 03:39 AM

i dont think its the typist who should be fired. It's the proof reader.
THey should be able to detect all errors on their magazines.
altis is really gorgeous. I LOVE ALTIS!!!

**Canwe?** · January 11th, 2006 04:46 AM

where are the best location to buy a car?
I want after sales follow up and i want friendly SAs.
Honda or Toyota. I don't mind. I just want the best customer service.
Caloocan is a little bit far for me.
Any suggestions in greenhills or makati?

**squala** · January 12th, 2006 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Canwe?

i dont think its the typist who should be fired. It's the proof reader.
THey should be able to detect all errors on their magazines.
altis is really gorgeous. I LOVE ALTIS!!!

Judging by numerous spelling, grammatical and technical errors, I don't think C! has a proofreader in the first place. But if they do, (s)he should be fired as I type this reply. With 150 bucks, it should have minimal or no typos at all.

And I agree, the Altis looks really good.